aborist schools

Jason Axe · 9th July 2008, 02:02 PM

hey everyone. i just graduated high school and i enjoy all types of tree work and have been doing some removal and i cut a lot of fire wood have done some climbing really injoy that. any how i was wondering if any of yall kno of any arborist schools in ohio? or possibly online corses????

any help is as aways much appreciated!!!!

treeseer · 11th July 2008, 08:05 AM

columbus community college has a 2 yr program.

online, check bob underwood at north dakota state.

the isa certification study guide will prepare you for certification, which will be given online soon/

Eric Frei · 11th July 2008, 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by treeseer

columbus community college has a 2 yr program.

online, check bob underwood at north dakota state.

the isa certification study guide will prepare you for certification, which will be given online soon/

And if it's anything like the way you get a Blue Card online here it'll make it more worthless.

Basically like the online seminars you read through 5 minutes of stuff, answer a few multi-choice questions, and bingo .... in no time, you're a certifed expert.

If you answer a question incorrectly, no big deal, the program pedals back that section and you start again, so eventually no matter what everybody is deemed competent. Then with the elevated status of the dumbed down cert even the gutter cleaner, chimney sweep and the window washer will be an "arborist."

kiwi_tree_steve · 11th July 2008, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Ekka

And if it's anything like the way you get a Blue Card online here it'll make it more worthless.

Basically like the online seminars you read through 5 minutes of stuff, answer a few multi-choice questions, and bingo .... in no time, you're a certifed expert.

If you answer a question incorrectly, no big deal, the program pedals back that section and you start again, so eventually no matter what everybody is deemed competent. Then with the elevated status of the dumbed down cert even the gutter cleaner, chimney sweep and the window washer will be an "arborist."

this is insane, and it makes me Angry, after living and breathing Arb study, and pushing myself to learn and working hard to get my Qualification in Arb, studyin will be 2 years hard work to get it, it kinda makes me feel ripped off that anyone can just hop online and answer some mulit choice questions and hey presto, there a certified arborist.

treeseer · 11th July 2008, 02:00 PM

1. no one is claiming that ISA certification is equal to a Qualification.

2. The test will not backpedal and allow takeovers, and it does require practical experience.

3. Ease up!

Eric Frei · 11th July 2008, 04:26 PM

Like the nuclear free zone of yester-years maybe we petition and boycott for an ISA free zone!

Jason Axe · 12th July 2008, 01:51 PM

i didint mean to cause an fight i was just trying to get some info.
thanks.

thanks treeseer

treeseer · 12th July 2008, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by axe

i didint mean to cause a fight

hey axe no problem you did not cause anything. other countries have govt-run programs but the US does not. treeworld like all the other forums has some issues with moderators unable to control digressions and rants off topic; those will always pop up.

Atached is an article that talks about the ccc program and others. i see you are pretty close to columbus. also Page 54 here: http://www.tcia.org/PDFs/TCI_MAG_March_07.pdf

Therrin · 30th July 2010, 07:50 PM

I find "qualification" to mean less than "certification"

Hence:

Qualification: a quality or skill that fits a person (as for an office) <the applicant with the best qualifications>

Certification: the act of certifying : the state of being certified
Certified: having earned certification <a certified gemologist>

And apparently Webster's backs me up in thinking that way.

Ekka made a great point though. How much worth does having any "certification" or "qualification" hold, when any sixth grader can do the required "studying" and answer the questions properly?

People make a big hooplah out of having a piece of paper which certifies you to do something, and largely look down at people without that piece of paper.
However, there are several folks without the paper who are already more knowledgeable and do better work than people who hold the paper.

It's a discrepancy found everywhere, in every job and industry. I don't have a problem against going to school to learn something; but to look down your nose at the people who operate without one, insisting that they're all incompetent... is a large mistake. (in my opinion).

That having been said, I'm pretty sure almost any program which truly tries to increase people's working knowledge about an industry or the job they're performing is a good thing, and a step in the right direction for people who wish to do that work.
Shooting down the validity of a program of study, before it's even gotten off the ground shows a very narrow view of things.

9th July 2008, 02:02 PM	#1
Jason Axe Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: marysville Posts: 63	aborist schools hey everyone. i just graduated high school and i enjoy all types of tree work and have been doing some removal and i cut a lot of fire wood have done some climbing really injoy that. any how i was wondering if any of yall kno of any arborist schools in ohio? or possibly online corses???? any help is as aways much appreciated!!!!

11th July 2008, 08:05 AM	#2
treeseer Former Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: SE USA Posts: 753	Re: aborist schools columbus community college has a 2 yr program. online, check bob underwood at north dakota state. the isa certification study guide will prepare you for certification, which will be given online soon/

11th July 2008, 02:00 PM	#5
treeseer Former Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: SE USA Posts: 753	Re: aborist schools 1. no one is claiming that ISA certification is equal to a Qualification. 2. The test will not backpedal and allow takeovers, and it does require practical experience. 3. Ease up!

11th July 2008, 04:26 PM	#6
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12th July 2008, 01:51 PM	#7
Jason Axe Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: marysville Posts: 63	Re: aborist schools i didint mean to cause an fight i was just trying to get some info. thanks. thanks treeseer

30th July 2010, 07:50 PM	#9
Therrin Former Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Bakersfield, Ca Posts: 2,512	Re: aborist schools I find "qualification" to mean less than "certification" Hence: Qualification: a quality or skill that fits a person (as for an office) <the applicant with the best qualifications> Certification: the act of certifying : the state of being certified Certified: having earned certification <a certified gemologist> And apparently Webster's backs me up in thinking that way. Ekka made a great point though. How much worth does having any "certification" or "qualification" hold, when any sixth grader can do the required "studying" and answer the questions properly? People make a big hooplah out of having a piece of paper which certifies you to do something, and largely look down at people without that piece of paper. However, there are several folks without the paper who are already more knowledgeable and do better work than people who hold the paper. It's a discrepancy found everywhere, in every job and industry. I don't have a problem against going to school to learn something; but to look down your nose at the people who operate without one, insisting that they're all incompetent... is a large mistake. (in my opinion). That having been said, I'm pretty sure almost any program which truly tries to increase people's working knowledge about an industry or the job they're performing is a good thing, and a step in the right direction for people who wish to do that work. Shooting down the validity of a program of study, before it's even gotten off the ground shows a very narrow view of things.

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