2 serious injuries Victoria

Eric Frei · 26th March 2009, 11:01 AM

One guy copped chainsaw kickback across the chest whilst aloft.

The other fell 20m!

Pair injured in tree-lopping accidents

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Pair injured in tree-lopping accidents
Mex Cooper
March 25, 2009 - 2:02PM

Two men cutting down trees are in hospital after being seriously injured in separate accidents, one involving a chainsaw, in Victoria.

A 59-year-old Jacana man, in Melbourne's west, was trimming the branches of a tree on his property with a chainsaw when it kicked back and slashed him across the chest about 1pm.

The man was able to lower himself to the ground and call an ambulance.

`The man was understandably in significant pain, and was also given a large amount of pain relief through (a) drip," intensive care paramedic Rob Voss said.

The man was taken to the Royal Melbourne Hospital with chest injuries in a serious but stable condition.

In a separate incident, a tree lopper working in Tyabb, on the Mornington Peninsula, is in a critical condition after falling 20 metres from a tree.

Paramedics found the 34-year-old lying on logs on the ground when they arrived just after 11am.

"Paramedics were concerned about an unstable tree branch near where the man had been working, so we had to move him out of danger," intensive care paramedic Sean Black said.

"A neck brace was fitted given the potential for spinal injuries, and he was strapped to a spine board."

The man suffered head injuries, extensive internal injuries and fractures and was flown to The Alfred hospital.

Therrin · 26th March 2009, 03:44 PM

NO One handing the saw!!!

Use two tie in points!

(ok that's not fair, I one hand my 200T, but I'm not Joe-homeowner either)

newguy18 · 27th March 2009, 11:11 AM

Sorry to hear about the injuries,oh and Ken,just because your not joe the homeowner,don't mean you should one hand[even though i do it with the 51 all the time].

(WLL) · 27th March 2009, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by newguy18

Sorry to hear about the injuries,oh and Ken,just because your not joe the homeowner,don't mean you should one hand[even though i do it with the 51 all the time].

got a pic of the ol 51 ? i want to see what you one hand all the time.

newguy18 · 27th March 2009, 12:36 PM

right here,

(WLL) · 27th March 2009, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by newguy18

right here,

keep it up, and if your lucky enough, you just may escape with only a bad rotator cup or two on your shoulders

newguy18 · 27th March 2009, 12:47 PM

Hahaha,its actually pretty well balanced like that,not much harder than one handing my 192,in my case anyway.That is,and always will be my climb saw.

(WLL) · 27th March 2009, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by newguy18

Hahaha,its actually pretty well balanced like that,not much harder than one handing my 192,in my case anyway.That is,and always will be my climb saw.

where is your sash cord?

newguy18 · 27th March 2009, 01:04 PM

wtf is a sash cord?Saw lanyard?

(WLL) · 27th March 2009, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by newguy18

wtf is a sash cord?Saw lanyard?

Paul Whitington · 27th March 2009, 09:59 PM

The climber that fell 20M in Tyabb has passed away, he died 11PM on the day of the fall. Age 34, this information has come through the industry not the media I trust it is accurate.

Drouin Tree Service · 27th March 2009, 10:06 PM

Thats bad news,falling out can happen to anyone IMO.

I work around that area.

R.I.P

Apocalypsse · 28th March 2009, 01:52 AM

How did he manage to fall out of the tree?! What was he attached to?

(WLL) · 28th March 2009, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Whitington

The climber that fell 20M in Tyabb has passed away, he died 11PM on the day of the fall. Age 34, this information has come through the industry not the media I trust it is accurate.

very sad indeed. this should be a wake up call to all climbers. the old saying goes "there are old climbers, and bold climbers, but there are no old, bold climbers. it always hits home when i hear horror stories like the one above, i also let the boys at work know what has happened in hopes to keep them on there toes. i work with both of my younger brothers and just cant imagine how any of us would feel if a tragic mistake happened. be safe Tree World, and don't ever let something like this happen to you

newguy18 · 28th March 2009, 02:57 PM

yeah,be safe all.

treefeller · 30th March 2009, 10:44 AM

Sad to hear about the climber falling and then loosing his life. Would be intresting to hear whether he was tied in or not. 020 one handed all the time

Garry Brockley · 30th March 2009, 06:24 PM

RIP we all have accidents but a 20 meter fall is just too far for a body to handle especially onto a log pile, its incidents like that that put our insurance up.
I try not to one hand cut with my ms200t but sometimes you just have to but i am always on the other side of a large piece before i do or at full stretch on a limb walk.

Paul Whitington · 4th April 2009, 10:59 PM

Regarding the climber that died at Tyabb, information is as follows
-tree could have been free felled.
-witness stated, climber was using small top handled saw.
-there were no lines in the tree, no life lines.
-harness was cut off the climber by Ambulance.
-harness had one pole line.
-the attachment hook on the pole line had a small ring(this was his tool attachment point off his harness) he attached to the tool ring on his harness.
-large stubs remain.
-work care had four vehicles inspecting accident.

Ekka I have the name of the tree service company but will not post.

Keep safe brothers.
Paul Arbormatters

Eric Frei · 4th April 2009, 11:17 PM

I'll embed the pics here.

So for him to fall that distance he was up the top.

Even if he was hooked into a tool ring he must have slipped, taken a fall for enough energy to be put into breaking that ring.

Paul Whitington · 5th April 2009, 12:32 AM

I dont know Ekka, look at it all, one pole belt, we dont know the condition or the age of his equipment, but yes I see what you are saying.
And connex are hiring these cowboys (no disrespect).
Paul Arbormatters.

Eric Frei · 5th April 2009, 12:49 AM

Look, honestly.

A tree like that without spikes is on the cards.

Without 2 lines most on the cards, it's near on a ladder!

There's a lot of people who'd 1 flip line that tree spikeless, not saying rights or wrongs but have a look, it's piss easy.

I would have dropped the tree though, but who knows what their plans were, maybe a pose off, maybe they didn't want to get the truck bogged ... we don't know ... but clipping into a tool ring is very amateur (no disrespect).

I reckon, and just a guess.

He was taking the head out, it shook a little and he got dislodged. Now whether his pole belt flipped over the top of the trunk and he fell or he fell and caught a limb then the ring broke I dont know.

Maybe they were using that easy tree as a training thing, sent up a green guy to get some experience? Shit, chances of falling and making it to the ground with one flip line (done up correctly) is a bit remote ... the other risk is the branch interchanges ... maybe he was unhooked at an interchange and slipped? I take 2 flip lines or a long flip line with prussik if you got interchanges, none of this elbow hang in there stuff. But was interchanges necessary? You just cut off the branch in the way and keep on flipping up!

The rest of the crew know the truth.

newguy18 · 5th April 2009, 01:09 AM

Okay,if i were the one about to remove that trees,lets say it was being removed for training purposes,i'm gonna drop all the limbs on the way up,using a jump cut,then at the top,leave a stub that angles upward,about a foot long,tie in with my climbline,ten set my flipline with a wrap,bury one spike deep keeping hat leg straight,then bbend my other leg,and bring it up to keep my flipline taut.Oh and snap the chain brake as soon as it starts going over.

TrevMcRev · 5th April 2009, 01:30 AM

I wonder if he clipped into that ring by accident or didn't know the difference through a lack of experience or training... We'll never know.

Visual check of proper connection when you clip on is vital.

I wonder whether he was a novice self employed, self trained tree worker or worked for a company that had no idea of safe climbing techniques or training...

Lets hope that someone else gets a lesson out of this loss.

Thanks Paul for reporting what you know.

(WLL) · 5th April 2009, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by TrevMcRev

Visual check of proper connection when you clip on is vital.

+2,ya got that right!!!

Willard Holmen · 5th April 2009, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by newguy18

right here,

Hey Newguy, just a little word of advice here, replace that standard Oregon powermatch bar nose with a double guard nose [small radius nose].Alot less kickback energy with the double guard especially if you use the saw one handed in aerial use.LOL.
Hope this pic I'm posting here is readable.

newguy18 · 5th April 2009, 04:01 PM

Screw the small tip bars,i burn the small nose bars within a week of buying them,those bar tips last me a couple months on average.

Willard Holmen · 5th April 2009, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by newguy18

Screw the small tip bars,i burn the small nose bars within a week of buying them,those bar tips last me a couple months on average.

I don't think you have used the pro grade Oregon double guard tips , I think your talking about the consumer laminated small tipped bars, now those don't take the punishment.
When I logged for a living for a large forestry company, they had strict policy "small nose only". Our safety record was excellent , if there was an accident someone getting cut , it wasn't from a kickback. And we cut hundreds of cords of wood with one of those tips, felling, limbing and topping.
Another good small tip bar is the Windsor Mini-Pro.

whitey · 8th April 2009, 08:47 PM

to all u wanks who think u no what happened to the fella that died at tyabb well you dont he was a good mate of mine and i worked along side of him for 3 years of his 14 years as a climber in the tree industry he had two pole straps on at the time. how about the company speaks up about the fella that got hurt with a chain saw the day before but failed to report it to worksafe in the same tree!!!

Jeff Darby · 8th April 2009, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by whitey

to all u wanks who think u no what happened to the fella that died at tyabb well you dont he was a good mate of mine and i worked along side of him for 3 years of his 14 years as a climber in the tree industry he had two pole straps on at the time. how about the company speaks up about the fella that got hurt with a chain saw the day before but failed to report it to worksafe in the same tree!!!

For a start none of us here are wanks as you say, But I can understand you being upset about your mate, the very nature of forums, and people in general, they will speculate about how it happened, BUT now that you, Whitey, have come forward and told us all you were friends you might like to tell us what really did happen?, were you there?, if there was neglect from any one involved here's your chance to post it on an international Arborist's forum.

Paul Whitington · 8th April 2009, 10:13 PM

Dear Whitey, please understand there is no disrespect here and I understand your response and I am sorry for this mans family and if anything was said that upset anyone, sorry also, it was not meant as criticism, the response was "what happened". The tree industry is very close and it was a shock to everyone.
Paul.

26th March 2009, 03:44 PM	#2
Therrin Former Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Bakersfield, Ca Posts: 2,512	Re: 2 serious injuries Victoria NO One handing the saw!!! Use two tie in points! (ok that's not fair, I one hand my 200T, but I'm not Joe-homeowner either)

27th March 2009, 11:11 AM	#3
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 4,977	Re: 2 serious injuries Victoria Sorry to hear about the injuries,oh and Ken,just because your not joe the homeowner,don't mean you should one hand[even though i do it with the 51 all the time]. __________________ Have your say join us today. old schooler

27th March 2009, 12:36 PM	#5
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 4,977	Re: 2 serious injuries Victoria right here, __________________ Have your say join us today. old schooler

27th March 2009, 12:47 PM	#7
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 4,977	Re: 2 serious injuries Victoria Hahaha,its actually pretty well balanced like that,not much harder than one handing my 192,in my case anyway.That is,and always will be my climb saw. __________________ Have your say join us today. old schooler

27th March 2009, 01:04 PM	#9
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 4,977	Re: 2 serious injuries Victoria wtf is a sash cord?Saw lanyard? __________________ Have your say join us today. old schooler

27th March 2009, 09:59 PM	#11
Paul Whitington Sappling Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Australia Posts: 20	Re: 2 serious injuries Victoria The climber that fell 20M in Tyabb has passed away, he died 11PM on the day of the fall. Age 34, this information has come through the industry not the media I trust it is accurate.

27th March 2009, 10:06 PM	#12
Drouin Tree Service Veteran Heritage Status Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 1,697	Re: 2 serious injuries Victoria Thats bad news,falling out can happen to anyone IMO. I work around that area. R.I.P __________________ Drouin Tree Services \| Excavator Hire - Drouin and SE Gippsland \| Landclearing Melbourne

28th March 2009, 01:52 AM	#13
Apocalypsse Veteran Heritage Status Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Victoria, Australia Posts: 1,154	Re: 2 serious injuries Victoria How did he manage to fall out of the tree?! What was he attached to?

28th March 2009, 02:57 PM	#15
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 4,977	Re: 2 serious injuries Victoria yeah,be safe all. __________________ Have your say join us today. old schooler

30th March 2009, 10:44 AM	#16
treefeller Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: aaa Posts: 224	Re: 2 serious injuries Victoria Sad to hear about the climber falling and then loosing his life. Would be intresting to hear whether he was tied in or not. 020 one handed all the time

30th March 2009, 06:24 PM	#17
Garry Brockley Bayside Tree Care Brisbane Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Brisbane Aus Posts: 1,649	Re: 2 serious injuries Victoria RIP we all have accidents but a 20 meter fall is just too far for a body to handle especially onto a log pile, its incidents like that that put our insurance up. I try not to one hand cut with my ms200t but sometimes you just have to but i am always on the other side of a large piece before i do or at full stretch on a limb walk. __________________ My business:- Brisbane Bayside Tree Care

4th April 2009, 11:17 PM	#19
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,820	Re: 2 serious injuries Victoria I'll embed the pics here. So for him to fall that distance he was up the top. Even if he was hooked into a tool ring he must have slipped, taken a fall for enough energy to be put into breaking that ring. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

5th April 2009, 12:32 AM	#20
Paul Whitington Sappling Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Australia Posts: 20	Re: 2 serious injuries Victoria I dont know Ekka, look at it all, one pole belt, we dont know the condition or the age of his equipment, but yes I see what you are saying. And connex are hiring these cowboys (no disrespect). Paul Arbormatters.

5th April 2009, 12:49 AM	#21
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,820	Re: 2 serious injuries Victoria Look, honestly. A tree like that without spikes is on the cards. Without 2 lines most on the cards, it's near on a ladder! There's a lot of people who'd 1 flip line that tree spikeless, not saying rights or wrongs but have a look, it's piss easy. I would have dropped the tree though, but who knows what their plans were, maybe a pose off, maybe they didn't want to get the truck bogged ... we don't know ... but clipping into a tool ring is very amateur (no disrespect). I reckon, and just a guess. He was taking the head out, it shook a little and he got dislodged. Now whether his pole belt flipped over the top of the trunk and he fell or he fell and caught a limb then the ring broke I dont know. Maybe they were using that easy tree as a training thing, sent up a green guy to get some experience? Shit, chances of falling and making it to the ground with one flip line (done up correctly) is a bit remote ... the other risk is the branch interchanges ... maybe he was unhooked at an interchange and slipped? I take 2 flip lines or a long flip line with prussik if you got interchanges, none of this elbow hang in there stuff. But was interchanges necessary? You just cut off the branch in the way and keep on flipping up! The rest of the crew know the truth. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

5th April 2009, 01:09 AM	#22
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 4,977	Re: 2 serious injuries Victoria Okay,if i were the one about to remove that trees,lets say it was being removed for training purposes,i'm gonna drop all the limbs on the way up,using a jump cut,then at the top,leave a stub that angles upward,about a foot long,tie in with my climbline,ten set my flipline with a wrap,bury one spike deep keeping hat leg straight,then bbend my other leg,and bring it up to keep my flipline taut.Oh and snap the chain brake as soon as it starts going over. __________________ Have your say join us today. old schooler

5th April 2009, 01:30 AM	#23
TrevMcRev Mature Tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. Posts: 1,605	Re: 2 serious injuries Victoria I wonder if he clipped into that ring by accident or didn't know the difference through a lack of experience or training... We'll never know. Visual check of proper connection when you clip on is vital. I wonder whether he was a novice self employed, self trained tree worker or worked for a company that had no idea of safe climbing techniques or training... Lets hope that someone else gets a lesson out of this loss. Thanks Paul for reporting what you know.

5th April 2009, 04:01 PM	#26
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 4,977	Re: 2 serious injuries Victoria Screw the small tip bars,i burn the small nose bars within a week of buying them,those bar tips last me a couple months on average. __________________ Have your say join us today. old schooler

8th April 2009, 08:47 PM	#28
whitey I'm new here so be nice Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: drouin Posts: 2	Re: 2 serious injuries Victoria to all u wanks who think u no what happened to the fella that died at tyabb well you dont he was a good mate of mine and i worked along side of him for 3 years of his 14 years as a climber in the tree industry he had two pole straps on at the time. how about the company speaks up about the fella that got hurt with a chain saw the day before but failed to report it to worksafe in the same tree!!!

8th April 2009, 10:13 PM	#30
Paul Whitington Sappling Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Australia Posts: 20	Re: 2 serious injuries Victoria Dear Whitey, please understand there is no disrespect here and I understand your response and I am sorry for this mans family and if anything was said that upset anyone, sorry also, it was not meant as criticism, the response was "what happened". The tree industry is very close and it was a shock to everyone. Paul.

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