three pines down ,using crane

phill ellison · 18th February 2009, 07:15 PM

Yes my favorite subject, Crane, we got to use one today to bring down three large pines, I could of cut them to bigger bits but had little room to lower them down to

TrevMcRev · 18th February 2009, 09:09 PM

Hey Phil. great job as always

Got some more pics of your truck there in pic 030?

Is it a chip truck with some kind of full tailgate???
Or just a service truck full of gear???

phill ellison · 19th February 2009, 04:44 AM

cheers trev,
the truck in the photos is our service truck, it carry pretty much every thing we need for all our jobs, very handy

TrevMcRev · 19th February 2009, 08:28 AM

Oh cool.

Gave me the idea for this thread anyway...

Show us your truck set up

treevet · 19th February 2009, 11:33 AM

Great job and pictures Phil.

Some of those guys are gonna comment on your single tie in. I guess the advantage of the chain choker is that they hang straight and don't kink like the stranded cable. Canvas needs to be removed from the hook to choke. Did you get sapped up or aren't those pines that bad?

Keep up the good work.

newguy18 · 19th February 2009, 03:22 PM

I had to look at the pics again,i guess i'm just so used to using a single flipline.Personally,if its an experianced operator who is compettent,it shouldn't be an issue imo.

treevet · 19th February 2009, 03:52 PM

If I am chunking down a big stick, sometimes the shot is there to take a big section. To get to that cut quickly and efficiently from the previous cut, I am gonna rappel down on my climbing line and then buck in with lanyard.

I have both tie ins available so why not use them.

When craning sections, like Phil, you have to have a climbing line ( I am gonna have a short rope with a safety knot tied in the end). You have to have the climb line so you can set a choker on the top of the piece, then rappel down off the crane probably, buck in with lanyard, disconnect climb line from crane, then cut off piece for crane to boom away.

Again you have both tie ins available so why not use them. If you cut your primary tie in, which is not inconceivable, then you have a back up and you do not die.

If you ever get to do a crane removal or pruning (you mentioned on another thread) you might try watching some of the videos on crane assisted tree removals.

phill ellison · 19th February 2009, 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by treevet

IWhen craning sections, like Phil, you have to have a climbing line ( I am gonna have a short rope with a safety knot tied in the end). You have to have the climb line so you can set a choker on the top of the piece, then rappel down off the crane probably, buck in with lanyard, disconnect climb line from crane, then cut off piece for crane to boom away.

.that is pretty much what I do, sometimes I do use my climb line round the trunk of the tree as another tie in point ( which I sould be doing anyway) but I do feel safe

Treeson · 19th February 2009, 05:36 PM

Great work Phil, good pics.
Good to see Jeremy having a go.

phill ellison · 19th February 2009, 06:02 PM

why thank you treeson

Eric Frei · 19th February 2009, 08:42 PM

1st:- Nice pics and thank you for sharing, good quality as usual.

2nd:- Well said Treevet, I just saw the thread and spotted it straight away then combed for some-one else picking it up.

3rd:- and most interesting.

Phil, can you explain these 2 pics, what the transition was, why hop from one tree to the next before finishing one, how did the hop occur? I'm asking not from an antagonistic point of view but from a "why do that" point of view for our readers.

TrevMcRev · 19th February 2009, 08:50 PM

My guess would be that it may have been more efficient to deal with all the brush/chipping first then deal soley with wood/logs.

You mightn't make the effort if climbing each tree, but when you can get a lift across on the crane, then it's no sweat

phill ellison · 20th February 2009, 04:52 AM

fair point there eric, trev is right , it was easyer to get rid of the branchs first and chip up so there be more room for the boys to ring up the logs as they come down and saying that I get the crane to lift me over to the next one to make life easyer

Ace Master · 21st February 2009, 09:46 PM

phill

Great job

Ace

spartek · 22nd February 2009, 04:48 PM

Man ,you, "BLOKES" love them chains HUH? WHy use a chain instead of steel rope chokers? My 3/8'' grade 70 transport chains are rated at 5600 LBS. Thats nowhere near the the strength of wire rope. Every time I see you guys using chains ,I am literally perplexed. WHY put a weak link into your rig??? And what kind of hooks do you have on the ends of the chains? Chains can easily become undone when slacked . Steel wire rope chokers will never release from the load because they're "choked" and the are secure on the headache ball's hook with it's safety clip . IMO , chains are a poor choice for overhead rigging , too many factors that can disaster. PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME TO THE CHAIN LOVE AFFAIR

phill ellison · 22nd February 2009, 05:30 PM

that all fair enough and sometimes cables are better than chains, but the thing is that it is up to the crane co. to decide what we use and it does not matter what the maximum weight the chains can take, I will never go any where near that maximum weight , and to hook it on is to do it right the first time and the right way and you should not have any trouble.
cheers

treevet · 23rd February 2009, 03:15 AM

I too have voiced questions about the chain choke in the past Phil. If you got a weak or degraded link it is much harder to notice than the fault in a steel choker or a canvas one of the same capacity. One little link fails and kaboom.

rbtree · 23rd February 2009, 07:31 AM

I too wouldn't like using chains for crane rigging. I really like logging chokers, as they are quicker to attach and detach than anything else. And they bite better than fabric slings.

We use chains to assist the self loading log truckers when we need to skid logs with the boom, as length adjustment is quick and easy....and to assist in getting a solid grab on a big or heavy log when loading the truck.

phill ellison · 23rd February 2009, 05:19 PM

Cheers guys, I will have to ask the crane com. if they are willing to use cables rather than chains

treevet · 24th February 2009, 12:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phill ellison

Cheers guys, I will have to ask the crane com. if they are willing to use cables rather than chains

Yeah Phil, I would prefer cable to chain but on smaller picks and where you have crotches and don't need so much bite, I prefer canvas and double braid lanyards. Cable that has taken on a memory in form outside of straight is gonna slap you in the face sometimes when handling and it is no fun.

soutz · 24th February 2009, 01:57 PM

very nice take down.well done.

phill ellison · 24th February 2009, 05:17 PM

cheers soutz, hey where bout in NZ are you

bobdoesit · 12th March 2009, 05:39 AM

Wish i could have been a spectator when i was in N Z last month. Its allways nice to watch and learn or see somethings done differently. By the way i was on the North Island. Huia to be precise. But did manage to get right around the whole of the Island. Going to come back to travel around the South Island.
Whilst on the subject of pines, i saw an awfull lot of dead and or dieing pines. Was told because they are not native you (kiwis) or you,r goverment departments want rid? Shame because i did see some real big specimines.
There did seem to be a general lack of maintenance on trees in general, even in open and public places.

And hey climb safe out there.
Rob.

phill ellison · 12th March 2009, 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobdoesit

Wish i could have been a spectator when i was in N Z last month. Its allways nice to watch and learn or see somethings done differently. By the way i was on the North Island. Huia to be precise. But did manage to get right around the whole of the Island. Going to come back to travel around the South Island.
Whilst on the subject of pines, i saw an awfull lot of dead and or dieing pines. Was told because they are not native you (kiwis) or you,r goverment departments want rid? Shame because i did see some real big specimines.
There did seem to be a general lack of maintenance on trees in general, even in open and public places.

And hey climb safe out there.
Rob.

hi rob

it a same that I didn't know that you were here in NZ as I would be happy to have showen you around here in Wellington and you would have been welcome to watch us at work as you may have given us a few tips too, maybe next time you come over (if you do) we will catch up and hope we some more crane jobs then and may be a few

cheers

18th February 2009, 07:15 PM	#1
phill ellison Mature tree Join Date: May 2008 Location: new zealand Posts: 450	three pines down ,using crane Yes my favorite subject, Crane, we got to use one today to bring down three large pines, I could of cut them to bigger bits but had little room to lower them down to Attached Thumbnails

18th February 2009, 09:09 PM	#2
TrevMcRev Mature Tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. Posts: 1,605	Re: three pines down ,using crane Hey Phil. great job as always Got some more pics of your truck there in pic 030? Is it a chip truck with some kind of full tailgate??? Or just a service truck full of gear???

19th February 2009, 04:44 AM	#3
phill ellison Mature tree Join Date: May 2008 Location: new zealand Posts: 450	Re: three pines down ,using crane cheers trev, the truck in the photos is our service truck, it carry pretty much every thing we need for all our jobs, very handy

19th February 2009, 08:28 AM	#4
TrevMcRev Mature Tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. Posts: 1,605	Re: three pines down ,using crane Oh cool. Gave me the idea for this thread anyway... Show us your truck set up

19th February 2009, 11:33 AM	#5
treevet Backflipper Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA Posts: 2,131	Re: three pines down ,using crane Great job and pictures Phil. Some of those guys are gonna comment on your single tie in. I guess the advantage of the chain choker is that they hang straight and don't kink like the stranded cable. Canvas needs to be removed from the hook to choke. Did you get sapped up or aren't those pines that bad? Keep up the good work.

19th February 2009, 03:22 PM	#6
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 4,977	Re: three pines down ,using crane I had to look at the pics again,i guess i'm just so used to using a single flipline.Personally,if its an experianced operator who is compettent,it shouldn't be an issue imo. __________________ Have your say join us today. old schooler

19th February 2009, 03:52 PM	#7
treevet Backflipper Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA Posts: 2,131	Re: three pines down ,using crane If I am chunking down a big stick, sometimes the shot is there to take a big section. To get to that cut quickly and efficiently from the previous cut, I am gonna rappel down on my climbing line and then buck in with lanyard. I have both tie ins available so why not use them. When craning sections, like Phil, you have to have a climbing line ( I am gonna have a short rope with a safety knot tied in the end). You have to have the climb line so you can set a choker on the top of the piece, then rappel down off the crane probably, buck in with lanyard, disconnect climb line from crane, then cut off piece for crane to boom away. Again you have both tie ins available so why not use them. If you cut your primary tie in, which is not inconceivable, then you have a back up and you do not die. If you ever get to do a crane removal or pruning (you mentioned on another thread) you might try watching some of the videos on crane assisted tree removals.

19th February 2009, 05:36 PM	#9
Treeson Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 177	Re: three pines down ,using crane Great work Phil, good pics. Good to see Jeremy having a go.

19th February 2009, 06:02 PM	#10
phill ellison Mature tree Join Date: May 2008 Location: new zealand Posts: 450	Re: three pines down ,using crane why thank you treeson

19th February 2009, 08:42 PM	#11
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,820	Re: three pines down ,using crane 1st:- Nice pics and thank you for sharing, good quality as usual. 2nd:- Well said Treevet, I just saw the thread and spotted it straight away then combed for some-one else picking it up. 3rd:- and most interesting. Phil, can you explain these 2 pics, what the transition was, why hop from one tree to the next before finishing one, how did the hop occur? I'm asking not from an antagonistic point of view but from a "why do that" point of view for our readers. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

19th February 2009, 08:50 PM	#12
TrevMcRev Mature Tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. Posts: 1,605	Re: three pines down ,using crane My guess would be that it may have been more efficient to deal with all the brush/chipping first then deal soley with wood/logs. You mightn't make the effort if climbing each tree, but when you can get a lift across on the crane, then it's no sweat

20th February 2009, 04:52 AM	#13
phill ellison Mature tree Join Date: May 2008 Location: new zealand Posts: 450	Re: three pines down ,using crane fair point there eric, trev is right , it was easyer to get rid of the branchs first and chip up so there be more room for the boys to ring up the logs as they come down and saying that I get the crane to lift me over to the next one to make life easyer

21st February 2009, 09:46 PM	#14
Ace Master Mature tree Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia, Vic, Melbourne Posts: 387	Re: three pines down ,using crane phill Great job Ace __________________ Website: The Mt Dandenong Ranges Tree Specialists YouTube: Ace Tree Master

22nd February 2009, 04:48 PM	#15
spartek Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: ohio, USA Posts: 151	Re: three pines down ,using crane Man ,you, "BLOKES" love them chains HUH? WHy use a chain instead of steel rope chokers? My 3/8'' grade 70 transport chains are rated at 5600 LBS. Thats nowhere near the the strength of wire rope. Every time I see you guys using chains ,I am literally perplexed. WHY put a weak link into your rig??? And what kind of hooks do you have on the ends of the chains? Chains can easily become undone when slacked . Steel wire rope chokers will never release from the load because they're "choked" and the are secure on the headache ball's hook with it's safety clip . IMO , chains are a poor choice for overhead rigging , too many factors that can disaster. PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME TO THE CHAIN LOVE AFFAIR

22nd February 2009, 05:30 PM	#16
phill ellison Mature tree Join Date: May 2008 Location: new zealand Posts: 450	Re: three pines down ,using crane that all fair enough and sometimes cables are better than chains, but the thing is that it is up to the crane co. to decide what we use and it does not matter what the maximum weight the chains can take, I will never go any where near that maximum weight , and to hook it on is to do it right the first time and the right way and you should not have any trouble. cheers

23rd February 2009, 03:15 AM	#17
treevet Backflipper Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA Posts: 2,131	Re: three pines down ,using crane I too have voiced questions about the chain choke in the past Phil. If you got a weak or degraded link it is much harder to notice than the fault in a steel choker or a canvas one of the same capacity. One little link fails and kaboom.

23rd February 2009, 07:31 AM	#18
rbtree Mature tree Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Seattle, Wa. US of Eh Posts: 408	Re: three pines down ,using crane I too wouldn't like using chains for crane rigging. I really like logging chokers, as they are quicker to attach and detach than anything else. And they bite better than fabric slings. We use chains to assist the self loading log truckers when we need to skid logs with the boom, as length adjustment is quick and easy....and to assist in getting a solid grab on a big or heavy log when loading the truck. __________________ http://www.??????.com/photos/rbtree

23rd February 2009, 05:19 PM	#19
phill ellison Mature tree Join Date: May 2008 Location: new zealand Posts: 450	Re: three pines down ,using crane Cheers guys, I will have to ask the crane com. if they are willing to use cables rather than chains

24th February 2009, 01:57 PM	#21
soutz Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: new zealand Posts: 80	Re: three pines down ,using crane very nice take down.well done.

24th February 2009, 05:17 PM	#22
phill ellison Mature tree Join Date: May 2008 Location: new zealand Posts: 450	Re: three pines down ,using crane cheers soutz, hey where bout in NZ are you

12th March 2009, 05:39 AM	#23
bobdoesit Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: England (North West) Posts: 105	Re: three pines down ,using crane Wish i could have been a spectator when i was in N Z last month. Its allways nice to watch and learn or see somethings done differently. By the way i was on the North Island. Huia to be precise. But did manage to get right around the whole of the Island. Going to come back to travel around the South Island. Whilst on the subject of pines, i saw an awfull lot of dead and or dieing pines. Was told because they are not native you (kiwis) or you,r goverment departments want rid? Shame because i did see some real big specimines. There did seem to be a general lack of maintenance on trees in general, even in open and public places. And hey climb safe out there. Rob.

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