Streyken's Pics

Streyken · 11th May 2007, 11:36 AM

I was camera man today, so...

Tying rotten alder stems together

Going up Douglas-fir to remove a few limbs over the house

Small 20" Douglas-fir removal. Roped top out and fell a log just for you guys.

Fairfield · 11th May 2007, 12:34 PM

Nice looking job you had there I would love to be able to get into a tree that high, non around here they only go to around 120'.

Sean Freeman · 11th May 2007, 12:41 PM

Good shots of the top coming out of that fir

Make that chipper sweat, work her, work her hard man!!

TrevMcRev · 11th May 2007, 06:43 PM

Those firs look so easy for big trees, just single trunk with LOTS of small branches. Compared to some of the big multi stemmed spreading mongrel Eucs we get here, especially when you take em outta the forest and put them on their own in the open.

In the average customers eyes are they seen as big and worth a lota $$$ to remove anyway or competition keeps things tight?

Streyken · 11th May 2007, 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrevMcRev

Those firs look so easy for big trees, just single trunk with LOTS of small branches. Compared to some of the big multi stemmed spreading mongrel Eucs we get here, especially when you take em outta the forest and put them on their own in the open.

In the average customers eyes are they seen as big and worth a lota $$$ to remove anyway or competition keeps things tight?

There's lots of price shopping here and a ton of competition (60+ companies - 200K population), but there's lots of trees and lots of money. Anyone who can afford to live in a 800K + house can afford to look after their trees. People pay to be listened to and to have the job done right. The fir removal we did today only took 35 minutes - chipped, bucked, done. The whole job (rope down 7 large (10") fir limbs over house, remove alder, remove small fir) took two of us 4.5 hrs I quoted 800.00 and the guy gave us an extra 100.00 tip. I paid the climber 350.00 then went and did a small job for 275.00 on my own. Not a bad day and I was home by 2:00pm.

Eric Frei · 11th May 2007, 07:40 PM

Gawd

We need a huge price increase here.

Streyken · 12th May 2007, 12:16 PM

I did this fir a few months ago and now wish I had taken my camera then. It was about a 70' higher than where I left it. And to think there are houses above where I was, these houses are huge coin.
Pics from fir tree

mdvaden · 12th May 2007, 01:07 PM

You Australians would probably enjoy working on the conifers between where Streyken and I live.

Plenty of multi-stem trees in the cities, but an awful lot of our biggest trees are the single stem conifers.

Streyken · 13th May 2007, 08:29 PM

A group of pics I took while driving to a job. Except the last two - that is my backyard. Sorry for the similar ones, I batch processed them and uploaded.
Around the North Shore

By the way MD, I love Oregon, except trying to remember which bridge went back to the hotel. I took my arborist exam there in 94.

Drouin Tree Service · 13th May 2007, 08:31 PM

Looks like a nice area,lots of color.

JohN Dee · 14th May 2007, 08:28 PM

Great pictures Streyken. Thats a beaut' of a chipper you got there. Connifers arn't my cup of tea' but it's whatever pays the bills and keeps me fed.

Eric Frei · 14th May 2007, 10:57 PM

Lots of trees and tall ones, didn't see any palms though.

Streyken · 15th May 2007, 11:08 AM

We have small palm trees in our malls. You think they would get mad if I spurred up one of these 20' palms?

Fairfield · 15th May 2007, 12:53 PM

lol I have thought about doing the same thing at my local mall ( in the food court).

Streyken · 15th May 2007, 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fairfield

lol I have thought about doing the same thing at my local mall ( in the food court).

Exactly! Or just firing up a chainsaw and falling all the little indoor ornamentals. Wonder if the police would taser you first or wait till you ran out of gas and then tackle you. Here they would wait. I you fell and cut yourself after being shocked the city would owe you millions. Same thing in the parks, when the tourists are going ooh and ahh at the first growth douglas-firs and red-cedars, I'm thinking how many cuts would it take with a 36" bar and which direction is it leaning? Is that wrong? LOL.

Streyken · 15th May 2007, 01:30 PM

Before someone gets the wrong idea and says I don’t like trees I just want to clarify a few things. I love and appreciate trees. I think about how this magnificent organism interacts with everything around it. I think about what something like this could have been witness to over the hundreds and hundred and hundreds of year it has stood. It has struggled for life through fires and land-slides, disease and insects. How many creatures does it house? How much poorer would the area be without it. Then I think how I would go about falling it.

Sean Freeman · 15th May 2007, 04:34 PM

Jeff Darby · 15th May 2007, 04:47 PM

LOL, Streyken!

Tim Craig · 15th May 2007, 07:38 PM

'dfir01.jpg
Going up Douglas-fir to remove a few limbs over the house'

Are you wearing spikes to prune that tree?

If you are, why?

Streyken · 16th May 2007, 03:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Craig

'dfir01.jpg
Going up Douglas-fir to remove a few limbs over the house'

Are you wearing spikes to prune that tree?

If you are, why?

1.) Look at the angel of the bottom branches on this D-fir, also fir is very brittle and snap easily if rope slips out.
2.) First branch at 60' and facing wrong direction, over house - no inner branches because of adjacent trees. (time)
3.) It's a 84cm D-fir with 2" + cork (won't hurt it)
4.) No one here will pay for spurless on a D-fir not even the municipality and they have a hard-on for that type of stuff. Spurless would have cost around 800-1K to remove 7 branches. (money)
5.) It's not a beech, maple, oak, etc. (It won't harm it unlike these trees)
6.) This tree is probably going to be removed as it's 5' from the owners house.

That's if you're really interested. If you're just being a troll again I have a different answer.

Tim Craig · 16th May 2007, 05:16 AM

I thought you guys over there in big conifer country would be highy skilled with the throwline or big shot and use SRT methods to get up to the branches you need to work on?

I've worked on Douglas Firs over here, the tallest tree in the UK is a Douglas(204ft). The bark is thick but if you peel out on your spikes your gonna rip right through to the cambium, it will look a mess.

What about when you get further up the tree where the bark ain't so thick? surely the spikes will cause damage, what length of spikes are you using? they must be long to get a decent hold on that bark?

Good photos though.

Streyken · 16th May 2007, 06:59 AM

Here we go again, another pointless circle:

Again, the time involved setting up a line and the risk to the climber and property with coastal D-fir limbs snapping (even on SRT) just isn?t worth it. I can pop off an 8? diameter 40? long D-fir branch with the kick of a spur, then everything below that branch is a goner as well. Interior D-fir are another story. This subject has been covered ad nauseam on other forums, which I have no doubt you know. If you are truly curious, just email me. I have neither the time, nor interest, to reiterate a subject that has been debated for years. If it was a hemlock, I?d still spur it and the wounds would be enclosed by next year, when it?s time to spur it again. These are not ornamental or prize trees and until people are willing to pay for alternatives, I?ll continue accepting the spike work. And with over 60 companies that I?m competing against, that won?t happen any time soon. I don?t know how fast the trees in your area grow, but the one in the picture is only 70 ? 90 years and is growing on old stumpage from development. Most of the North Shore was clear-cut not that long ago, so I defiantly don?t feel bad. No one, and I mean no one does D-fir spurless here, not companies, not the municipalities, not even the guys that teach it for you know who (and I do have pics of you guys spiking from last year ? where you used a ladder for the first 20? - LOL). So you do what is needed for your area and I?ll do the same.

Eric Frei · 16th May 2007, 08:39 AM

In this thread

New updated Australian Standard

We discuss the AS4373 and not spiking palms.

I spike them, cocos palms that is.

Drouin Tree Service · 16th May 2007, 10:43 AM

Tim seems good at pointless circles.

Streyken · 16th May 2007, 11:43 AM

Interesting Ekka OH&S vs. tree care by bureaucrats.

Here is what we have, and yes that's it for climbing:
26.36 Climbing equipment
(1) A worker climbing a tree or a wooden spar must use a safety belt, climbing rope or strap, and climbing spurs meeting the requirements of Part 11 (Fall Protection).

(2) If a worker climbing a tree must disconnect the climbing rope or strap in order to move by an obstacle, a second climbing rope or strap must be used to ensure continuous protection while passing the obstacle.

(3) When climbing equipment is in use, a duplicate set of equipment must be available for immediate use at the site. (Note it does not say second climber)

(4) If there is danger of the climbing rope or strap being severed, it must be made of wire rope or a rope with wire core construction.

(5) When a chain saw is being used, the climbing rope or strap must be made of material that cannot be severed by the saw, or a second climbing rope or strap must be used.

(6) Climbing equipment must be maintained in good order, and inspected by the worker before each use.

So from now on my only answer is: Because I can.

Round and round Lopa.

Hey "Tim", if you really want a debate, go to AS and call out a user named "Clearance", tell him you're against spike pruning and that he shouldn't do it, he'll gladly accommodate I'm sure. Me, I just don't care.

So, why? Because I can.

Eric Frei · 16th May 2007, 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Streyken

Hey "Tim", if you really want a debate, go to AS and call out a user named "Clearance", tell him you're against spike pruning and that he shouldn't do it, he'll gladly accommodate I'm sure.

Haha, also tell him you go to church and power line trimmers aren't as skilled as ISA arbo's ... wow, that'll be great.

Streyken · 16th May 2007, 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ekka

Haha, also tell him you go to church and power line trimmers aren't as skilled as ISA arbo's ... wow, that'll be great.

I'd buy tickets.

Sean Freeman · 16th May 2007, 06:42 PM

Quote:

(5) When a chain saw is being used, the climbing rope or strap must be made of material that cannot be severed by the saw, or a second climbing rope or strap must be used.

Wow Streyken haven't the people who are on the OH&S committee that developed the Canadian standards ever seen a chain saw, I can't think of any material that you could construct a useable rope or strap out of that would not be severed by the impact of a chain saw with sharp chain whilst under the load of the climber...bizzare wording, quite impossible to comply to!

(and yep Tim loves circles)

Streyken · 16th May 2007, 07:01 PM

I guess you could argue a wire core couldn't be cut, then if it is they would just say "he should have had two". I talked to three compliance officers last week regarding one-handed chain sawing. Two admitted to many of the regulations being vague or "grey." They understand some of the needs of industry while at the same time trying to cover safety "holes." Two said the same thing almost word for word - that industry dictates many of their mandates. I guess not many people are making claims for injuries sustained one-handing, because all three just said refer to the user manual, I said it doesn't cover many situations or climbing, they said take care as long as we hear your saw running that's a good thing. None seemed too concerned. Most of the compliance officers here are good. Mandatory training and documentation is on its way in June I believe.

TrevMcRev · 16th May 2007, 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Streyken

(5) When a chain saw is being used, the climbing rope or strap must be made of material that cannot be severed by the saw, or a second climbing rope or strap must be used.

The last part disqualifies the first part. So basically a 2nd tie in when cutting i guess.

11th May 2007, 11:36 AM	#1
Streyken Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 150	Streyken's Pics I was camera man today, so... Tying rotten alder stems together Going up Douglas-fir to remove a few limbs over the house Small 20" Douglas-fir removal. Roped top out and fell a log just for you guys. __________________ Trimmin' bush and caring for flowers is good 'n' all... but sometimes ya gotta let the big wood fly and pound the garden.

11th May 2007, 12:34 PM	#2
Fairfield Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bucks county Pa USA Posts: 125	Nice looking job you had there I would love to be able to get into a tree that high, non around here they only go to around 120'. __________________ Hi yes you know me I am B.A.M.F nice to meet you

11th May 2007, 07:40 PM	#6
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,817	Gawd We need a huge price increase here. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

12th May 2007, 12:16 PM	#7
Streyken Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 150	From about 70' up I did this fir a few months ago and now wish I had taken my camera then. It was about a 70' higher than where I left it. And to think there are houses above where I was, these houses are huge coin. Pics from fir tree __________________ Trimmin' bush and caring for flowers is good 'n' all... but sometimes ya gotta let the big wood fly and pound the garden.

13th May 2007, 08:29 PM	#9
Streyken Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 150	Random tree pics while driving A group of pics I took while driving to a job. Except the last two - that is my backyard. Sorry for the similar ones, I batch processed them and uploaded. Around the North Shore By the way MD, I love Oregon, except trying to remember which bridge went back to the hotel. I took my arborist exam there in 94. __________________ Trimmin' bush and caring for flowers is good 'n' all... but sometimes ya gotta let the big wood fly and pound the garden.

11th May 2007, 12:41 PM	#3
Sean Freeman Monument Status Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,985	Good shots of the top coming out of that fir Make that chipper sweat, work her, work her hard man!!

11th May 2007, 06:43 PM	#4
TrevMcRev Mature Tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. Posts: 1,605	Those firs look so easy for big trees, just single trunk with LOTS of small branches. Compared to some of the big multi stemmed spreading mongrel Eucs we get here, especially when you take em outta the forest and put them on their own in the open. In the average customers eyes are they seen as big and worth a lota $$$ to remove anyway or competition keeps things tight?

12th May 2007, 01:07 PM	#8
mdvaden Former Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Oregon Posts: 397	You Australians would probably enjoy working on the conifers between where Streyken and I live. Plenty of multi-stem trees in the cities, but an awful lot of our biggest trees are the single stem conifers.

13th May 2007, 08:31 PM	#10
Drouin Tree Service Veteran Heritage Status Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 1,697	Looks like a nice area,lots of color. __________________ Drouin Tree Services \| Excavator Hire - Drouin and SE Gippsland \| Landclearing Melbourne

14th May 2007, 08:28 PM	#11
JohN Dee Moderator Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Climbing around the world Posts: 855	Great pictures Streyken. Thats a beaut' of a chipper you got there. Connifers arn't my cup of tea' but it's whatever pays the bills and keeps me fed. __________________ We are what we repeatedly do... Excellence then, is not an act, but HABIT... Red : Green : Blue

14th May 2007, 10:57 PM	#12
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,817	Lots of trees and tall ones, didn't see any palms though. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

15th May 2007, 11:08 AM	#13
Streyken Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 150	We have small palm trees in our malls. You think they would get mad if I spurred up one of these 20' palms? __________________ Trimmin' bush and caring for flowers is good 'n' all... but sometimes ya gotta let the big wood fly and pound the garden.

15th May 2007, 12:53 PM	#14
Fairfield Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bucks county Pa USA Posts: 125	lol I have thought about doing the same thing at my local mall ( in the food court). __________________ Hi yes you know me I am B.A.M.F nice to meet you

15th May 2007, 01:30 PM	#16
Streyken Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 150	Before someone gets the wrong idea and says I don’t like trees I just want to clarify a few things. I love and appreciate trees. I think about how this magnificent organism interacts with everything around it. I think about what something like this could have been witness to over the hundreds and hundred and hundreds of year it has stood. It has struggled for life through fires and land-slides, disease and insects. How many creatures does it house? How much poorer would the area be without it. Then I think how I would go about falling it. __________________ Trimmin' bush and caring for flowers is good 'n' all... but sometimes ya gotta let the big wood fly and pound the garden. Last edited by Streyken; 15th May 2007 at 03:37 PM. Reason: for subtlety

15th May 2007, 04:34 PM	#17
Sean Freeman Monument Status Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,985

15th May 2007, 04:47 PM	#18
Jeff Darby Moderator - Previously known as JayD Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: TreeWorld, Sydney Australia Posts: 2,031	LOL, Streyken! __________________ Member: Australian Tree Association Join the Australian Tree Association...Have your voice heard ! Arboriculture, A life long study for some, a passing phase for others © Jeffrey J Darby 2011

15th May 2007, 07:38 PM	#19
Tim Craig Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Glasgow, Scotland Posts: 132	'dfir01.jpg Going up Douglas-fir to remove a few limbs over the house' Are you wearing spikes to prune that tree? If you are, why?

16th May 2007, 05:16 AM	#21
Tim Craig Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Glasgow, Scotland Posts: 132	I thought you guys over there in big conifer country would be highy skilled with the throwline or big shot and use SRT methods to get up to the branches you need to work on? I've worked on Douglas Firs over here, the tallest tree in the UK is a Douglas(204ft). The bark is thick but if you peel out on your spikes your gonna rip right through to the cambium, it will look a mess. What about when you get further up the tree where the bark ain't so thick? surely the spikes will cause damage, what length of spikes are you using? they must be long to get a decent hold on that bark? Good photos though.

16th May 2007, 06:59 AM	#22
Streyken Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 150	Here we go again, another pointless circle: Again, the time involved setting up a line and the risk to the climber and property with coastal D-fir limbs snapping (even on SRT) just isn?t worth it. I can pop off an 8? diameter 40? long D-fir branch with the kick of a spur, then everything below that branch is a goner as well. Interior D-fir are another story. This subject has been covered ad nauseam on other forums, which I have no doubt you know. If you are truly curious, just email me. I have neither the time, nor interest, to reiterate a subject that has been debated for years. If it was a hemlock, I?d still spur it and the wounds would be enclosed by next year, when it?s time to spur it again. These are not ornamental or prize trees and until people are willing to pay for alternatives, I?ll continue accepting the spike work. And with over 60 companies that I?m competing against, that won?t happen any time soon. I don?t know how fast the trees in your area grow, but the one in the picture is only 70 ? 90 years and is growing on old stumpage from development. Most of the North Shore was clear-cut not that long ago, so I defiantly don?t feel bad. No one, and I mean no one does D-fir spurless here, not companies, not the municipalities, not even the guys that teach it for you know who (and I do have pics of you guys spiking from last year ? where you used a ladder for the first 20? - LOL). So you do what is needed for your area and I?ll do the same. __________________ Trimmin' bush and caring for flowers is good 'n' all... but sometimes ya gotta let the big wood fly and pound the garden.

16th May 2007, 08:39 AM	#23
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,817	In this thread New updated Australian Standard We discuss the AS4373 and not spiking palms. I spike them, cocos palms that is. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

16th May 2007, 10:43 AM	#24
Drouin Tree Service Veteran Heritage Status Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 1,697	Tim seems good at pointless circles. __________________ Drouin Tree Services \| Excavator Hire - Drouin and SE Gippsland \| Landclearing Melbourne

16th May 2007, 11:43 AM	#25
Streyken Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 150	Interesting Ekka OH&S vs. tree care by bureaucrats. Here is what we have, and yes that's it for climbing: 26.36 Climbing equipment (1) A worker climbing a tree or a wooden spar must use a safety belt, climbing rope or strap, and climbing spurs meeting the requirements of Part 11 (Fall Protection). (2) If a worker climbing a tree must disconnect the climbing rope or strap in order to move by an obstacle, a second climbing rope or strap must be used to ensure continuous protection while passing the obstacle. (3) When climbing equipment is in use, a duplicate set of equipment must be available for immediate use at the site. (Note it does not say second climber) (4) If there is danger of the climbing rope or strap being severed, it must be made of wire rope or a rope with wire core construction. (5) When a chain saw is being used, the climbing rope or strap must be made of material that cannot be severed by the saw, or a second climbing rope or strap must be used. (6) Climbing equipment must be maintained in good order, and inspected by the worker before each use. So from now on my only answer is: Because I can. Round and round Lopa. Hey "Tim", if you really want a debate, go to AS and call out a user named "Clearance", tell him you're against spike pruning and that he shouldn't do it, he'll gladly accommodate I'm sure. Me, I just don't care. So, why? Because I can. __________________ Trimmin' bush and caring for flowers is good 'n' all... but sometimes ya gotta let the big wood fly and pound the garden.

16th May 2007, 07:01 PM	#29
Streyken Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 150	I guess you could argue a wire core couldn't be cut, then if it is they would just say "he should have had two". I talked to three compliance officers last week regarding one-handed chain sawing. Two admitted to many of the regulations being vague or "grey." They understand some of the needs of industry while at the same time trying to cover safety "holes." Two said the same thing almost word for word - that industry dictates many of their mandates. I guess not many people are making claims for injuries sustained one-handing, because all three just said refer to the user manual, I said it doesn't cover many situations or climbing, they said take care as long as we hear your saw running that's a good thing. None seemed too concerned. Most of the compliance officers here are good. Mandatory training and documentation is on its way in June I believe. __________________ Trimmin' bush and caring for flowers is good 'n' all... but sometimes ya gotta let the big wood fly and pound the garden.

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