Streyken's Pics

Sean Freeman · 16th May 2007, 08:51 PM

Yeah you're right Trev, crap reading skills on my part sorry..

Eric Frei · 16th May 2007, 10:49 PM

But have you seen Stryken's lanyard ... 5/8 trawler CABLE.

Who'd like to see if cutting through is possible and trash a chain trying.

Stryken, got an old chain with little tooth left, sharpen the chain up and try cut thru a tensioned piece of trawler cable ... see what happens.

Also, maybe they can start to make lanyards out of the same material as chainsaw pants. You know those synthetic slings we use with lifting, but the inside has chainclogging stuff, maybe that's cut proof then.

also, Stryken doesn't do changeovers for branches, pretty much up and down and branches get cut off. Probability of kicking out is way lower than climbing palms, I reckon you'd get gut scraped and snagged ... perhaps shish kabob'd on any stubs left (flush cuts way to go).

Now here's a video of Yanks pole climb ... could have been shot in Canada though ... notice they go up and down, no belay or safety. Notice how even on such a smooth pole you have to manipulate yourself to come down fast. If that were a rough ole 100' fir with stubs you'd get caught for sure, maybe Stryken can demo that too.

Tim Craig · 16th May 2007, 11:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by a_lopa

Tim seems good at pointless circles.

I think your being a wee bit unfair Jason, it was a perfectably reasonable question, which incidently, Streyken gave a perfectly reasonable answer to.

I just assumed those guys out there climbing the big conifers would use SRT, throwlines, and big shots etc.....

Didn't know about the brittle 8 inch diam branches!!

Ah well, it's all good.

I reckon wire core lanyards under load can be severed by a MS660 at full revs.

Eric Frei · 16th May 2007, 11:28 PM

Hey guys, Stryken would not have posted such controversial info not expecting to be questioned.

And if we didn't question then there'd be something not quite right there either.

Difference is Stryken knows his regs for his region and is operating within the grey area which seems to be where the authorities want it.

Debate is now whether or not a lanyard is cuttable, his is 5/8 trawler cable, that at least shows he's given considerable thought to the condition.

Sean Freeman · 16th May 2007, 11:45 PM

My vote is definately cuttable.

Back in the late 70's when I were but a lad, got my first chainsaw training for a sumer job removing over 100 dead elm trees near a small town called Ilkeston, was a park part of a stately home, now is some horrible theme park....anyway...the bloke who gave all us very keen teenagers training in the use of our saws (great big buggers on leather strops attached to our waists!) used many very unique visual aids one of which was a film (not video 16mm film) of a bloke cutting throught the side of a van (painted like a security van the type with money in it) with a large chain saw 090 size...cut right through, cut a door on the side, right through the struts and everything!! Now I realize that the chain must have been some kind of tungsten carbide but pretty damn impressive...never forgot that bloke or his visual aids.

Eric Frei · 17th May 2007, 12:07 AM

I think I'll do a demo by cutting Jim out of a tree tomorrow.

Sean Freeman · 17th May 2007, 12:26 AM

Ok, but if you do I want first dibs on the AFC if thats what he was using on that Queen.

Streyken · 17th May 2007, 03:48 AM

Yup, the regs were just updated in May. So, what's your guys take on number 1? does that mean you must use spurs to climb every tree?

or that there just aren't any regs concerning spurless?

In reality there are no regulations specifically for arboriculture work, we are considered a subset of forestry and the regs that are most applicable are applied, at least that's what Worksafe told me. Here are our regs:
http://www2.worksafebc.com/Publicati...ion/Part26.asp

<edit>Oh, and Ekka I do have some old chain, will see if I can dig up a piece of old cable.</edit>

Streyken · 17th May 2007, 04:04 AM

Also, like I said before, the officers here are reasonable. What I think they don't want you doing is coming down a 1/2" line cutting branches on the way down with no second safety - I would never do that!

Fairfield · 17th May 2007, 05:06 AM

god that would be so funny to see, until I turn around and there is noone standing there besides the local police with gun at me

But i'll teel ya everytime I see you guys taking down Palms thats what I think about.... there should be a warning for me in the start of yours vids.

Streyken · 17th May 2007, 11:29 AM

Well, finished up this job today, fell the chunk, made a snag, cleared the trail and slashed all the brush from the other trees that fell last December.
Snag Pics

The 13.8MB video is here:Cutting Snag

Did this with a camera and stitched the pieces together needed to conserve space, but no other editing.

jim1nz · 17th May 2007, 04:25 PM

Ha Clearance, i try never to get into beef on forums but sorry to say clarence is an absolute idiot, he is no arborist. When he dies, trees will rip him limb form limb. Dont bother with him mate.

Sean Freeman · 17th May 2007, 05:18 PM

Very interesting Stryken, coronet cutting, have seen it done on veteran trees but never on a pole like that. Have never done it myself though would like to experiment given the chance.
Why was it decided to do it to that stem?

Sean Freeman · 17th May 2007, 05:26 PM

Here's a short article about coronet pruning by Neville Fay;
Attachment 1324

Streyken · 17th May 2007, 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boa07

Why was it decided to do it to that stem?

The municipalities here (North and West Vancouver) have been leaving snags for about 16 years now. They say for wildlife, but often it's economically motivated as well. Less wood on the ground to move or clean-up = less money spent. On the North Shore there are thousands of these things, and they do attract insects and birds. I'll try and grab a picture of the first one I ever did, still standing beside a bus stop - LOL. In this case there was already a fair bit of wood on the ground and the base of this is sitting right along a 12' rock slope down to the house. This was the easiest way to deal with it, plus they can say it's environmentally sound.

The cut is only for esthetics, after it weathers, it's amazing how many people, who don't know trees, think that it really broke.

Sean Freeman · 17th May 2007, 05:43 PM

Fair enough, wonder if you haveany unusual or even rare fungi that might colonise the stem?

Here's a PDF of the corenet article since my laptop seems to be screwing around.

coronetcuts_naturalfracture.pdf

Streyken · 17th May 2007, 05:58 PM

Interesting, I've never tried that style of cutting on live wood. This particular stem is in the open, it will get a lot of sun (haha) and wind, but conks may appear. Along the green-belts many more fungi will be seen, it's not something I've ever paid a great deal of attention to other than to estimate how advanced decay may be in certain trees. I'll have to get some pics; because it's so damp, there is a wide variety here.

JohN Dee · 18th May 2007, 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Streyken

The cut is only for esthetics, after it weathers, it's amazing how many people, who don't know trees, think that it really broke.

The public never ceases to amaze me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jim1nz

Ha Clearance, i try never to get into beef on forums but sorry to say clarence is an absolute idiot, he is no arborist. When he dies, trees will rip him limb form limb. Dont bother with him mate.

Lol Jim, I second you on that, but where did it come from?

Streyken · 18th May 2007, 12:21 PM

LOL - I never counted before, but within a 2 minute walk of my place there are over 30 snags!

John, I hear people all the time talking about how much damage that tree must have done when it snapped off.

The last pic is the recent work of the municipality, there makin' 'em shorter now a days it seems.

More Snags

Eric Frei · 18th May 2007, 01:02 PM

As long as if they fail they dont hit a valuable target it's a good idea. Also, they dont regrow.

Streyken · 18th May 2007, 06:19 PM

We always cut them short enough so when they do fail they won't hit a high value target. And yeah, we don't snag cottonwood, willow, etc.

Don't know the history there, but I know Clearance likes his spikes, hates hippies and he liked my snag, so he can't be totally evil.

Eric Frei · 18th May 2007, 06:31 PM

Clearance is consistent, and predictable.

Which is a good thing.

Also he has a mind of his own, a leader plus does do his research. He tends to stick it to ISA guys especially in line trimming ... I can understand that. He under went intensive training and finds it wrong that some-one can do some two bob sit down test and claim the same rights as him.

I'm the same with ISA cert arb. Having your say, as he does, doesn't worry me too much and although I've had some downs with him we've had some ups too. He doesn't seem to carry baggage and tends to stay on the topic.

He goes hard on the topic where others go hard on the people.

Streyken · 18th May 2007, 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ekka

He goes hard on the topic where others go hard on the people.

Very good observation, I've only seen him get into it with a few people, but you're right.

Unfortunately the ISA thing is what you make it. When I wrote the exam I had just finished a number of horticulture and arboriculture courses from the University of Guelph. I received the ISA study guide, read one chapter a night and wrote the exam in Portland exactly 16 days after getting the study guide. I already had Harris' book, which most of the guide is based on in a dumbed down kind of way. The hazard assessor course is much the same, I found it extremely easy, a fair bit of it was essay style, which I liked. It gave me a chance to use my background in municipal contracting to advantage. But many of the guys taking the exam have never climbed or cut a tree in their lives, this is what bothered me.

Eric Frei · 18th May 2007, 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Streyken

But many of the guys taking the exam have never climbed or cut a tree in their lives, this is what bothered me.

Haven't they introduced a cert climber thing?

Yeah, how can you be an arborist and not climb trees.

Sean Freeman · 18th May 2007, 08:31 PM

Well probably if all your work is consultation then it is possible, some climbing for aerial inspection would be expected though I'm thinking. But you can certainly be an Arborist without the climbing-cutting combination, I think anyway.

Eric Frei · 18th May 2007, 09:21 PM

Hey Boa, ya seen this.

http://tinyurl.com/ydoxl9m

From this page http://tinyurl.com/yed48uk

Quote:

5.0 CRITERIA FOR MEMBERSHIP

5.1 Membership will be restricted to individuals who are practitioners involved in an Arboricultural Consultancy practice as the majority of their business activity. This allows for the undertaking or supervision of scientific testing or research and associated reporting on trees, and related tree management and tree protection practices, e.g. the installation of tree protection zones on construction sites, or root investigation excavation, and where no situation of a conflict of interest could arise that would bias or unduly influence the provision of their consultancy service.
5.2 Further to 5.1 and 5.3, eligibility for membership is excluded to Arboriculturists involved in the undertaking of tree pruning or removal works, or the management, or ownership of such businesses, due to the obvious potential for ethical conflict between these activities and the consultancy process.

So much for Shigo's "touch trees"

Sean Freeman · 18th May 2007, 09:43 PM

No I hadn't, yet another club I can't join....ah well, might just send them an email asking why physically undertaking Arb work excludes you from consulting, so long as the consult is not on work your company is bidding for can't see how any conflict of interest could be construed? But then I've been told many times I'm thick and just don't understand the subtleties of these things, glad to see the membership list though some familiar names, maybe I'll just ask some of them hat the deal is next time our paths cross (Oh I can hear their expectation already!) and how they judge themselves as not having unreasonable favouritism towards the companies of others that they kno and are friendly towards, how could they avoid the problem of favouring ISA memebers, or heaven forbid companies with CA's over those without.
Hmmmm..something of a tangled web me thinks, and by favour I mean writing into their consultancy bench marks and basic levels of service standard ie qualified Arborist to undertake work in accordance with AS4373...etc (of course by etc I mean nix in Oz cause 4373 is all we've got!)

Rant over

JohN Dee · 18th May 2007, 10:06 PM

Back on topic you lot.

Eric Frei · 18th May 2007, 10:12 PM

Hmmm

When you dig you seldom find gold.

Sorry John. What were we here about?

Streyken · 4th August 2007, 01:02 PM

Been busy the last few months and haven't been carrying the camera as much as I'd like, but here are a few of the recent jobs I've done.

Snow damaged cedars - yuck, lots of volume.

Before

After, almost.

16th May 2007, 11:28 PM	#34
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,820	Hey guys, Stryken would not have posted such controversial info not expecting to be questioned. And if we didn't question then there'd be something not quite right there either. Difference is Stryken knows his regs for his region and is operating within the grey area which seems to be where the authorities want it. Debate is now whether or not a lanyard is cuttable, his is 5/8 trawler cable, that at least shows he's given considerable thought to the condition. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

17th May 2007, 12:07 AM	#36
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,820	I think I'll do a demo by cutting Jim out of a tree tomorrow. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

17th May 2007, 03:48 AM	#38
Streyken Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 150	Yup, the regs were just updated in May. So, what's your guys take on number 1? does that mean you must use spurs to climb every tree? or that there just aren't any regs concerning spurless? In reality there are no regulations specifically for arboriculture work, we are considered a subset of forestry and the regs that are most applicable are applied, at least that's what Worksafe told me. Here are our regs: http://www2.worksafebc.com/Publicati...ion/Part26.asp <edit>Oh, and Ekka I do have some old chain, will see if I can dig up a piece of old cable.</edit> __________________ Trimmin' bush and caring for flowers is good 'n' all... but sometimes ya gotta let the big wood fly and pound the garden. Last edited by Streyken; 17th May 2007 at 03:51 AM. Reason: addition

17th May 2007, 04:04 AM	#39
Streyken Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 150	Also, like I said before, the officers here are reasonable. What I think they don't want you doing is coming down a 1/2" line cutting branches on the way down with no second safety - I would never do that! __________________ Trimmin' bush and caring for flowers is good 'n' all... but sometimes ya gotta let the big wood fly and pound the garden.

17th May 2007, 05:06 AM	#40
Fairfield Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bucks county Pa USA Posts: 125	god that would be so funny to see, until I turn around and there is noone standing there besides the local police with gun at me But i'll teel ya everytime I see you guys taking down Palms thats what I think about.... there should be a warning for me in the start of yours vids. __________________ Hi yes you know me I am B.A.M.F nice to meet you

16th May 2007, 08:51 PM	#31
Sean Freeman Monument Status Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,985	Yeah you're right Trev, crap reading skills on my part sorry..

16th May 2007, 11:45 PM	#35
Sean Freeman Monument Status Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,985	My vote is definately cuttable. Back in the late 70's when I were but a lad, got my first chainsaw training for a sumer job removing over 100 dead elm trees near a small town called Ilkeston, was a park part of a stately home, now is some horrible theme park....anyway...the bloke who gave all us very keen teenagers training in the use of our saws (great big buggers on leather strops attached to our waists!) used many very unique visual aids one of which was a film (not video 16mm film) of a bloke cutting throught the side of a van (painted like a security van the type with money in it) with a large chain saw 090 size...cut right through, cut a door on the side, right through the struts and everything!! Now I realize that the chain must have been some kind of tungsten carbide but pretty damn impressive...never forgot that bloke or his visual aids.

17th May 2007, 12:26 AM	#37
Sean Freeman Monument Status Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,985	Ok, but if you do I want first dibs on the AFC if thats what he was using on that Queen.

17th May 2007, 11:29 AM	#41
Streyken Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 150	fall, snag, slash Well, finished up this job today, fell the chunk, made a snag, cleared the trail and slashed all the brush from the other trees that fell last December. Snag Pics The 13.8MB video is here:Cutting Snag Did this with a camera and stitched the pieces together needed to conserve space, but no other editing. __________________ Trimmin' bush and caring for flowers is good 'n' all... but sometimes ya gotta let the big wood fly and pound the garden.

17th May 2007, 04:25 PM	#42
jim1nz Mature tree Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: International, Germany Posts: 476	Ha Clearance, i try never to get into beef on forums but sorry to say clarence is an absolute idiot, he is no arborist. When he dies, trees will rip him limb form limb. Dont bother with him mate. __________________ SPEED ALWAYS FOLLOWS TECHNIQUE

17th May 2007, 05:18 PM	#43
Sean Freeman Monument Status Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,985	Very interesting Stryken, coronet cutting, have seen it done on veteran trees but never on a pole like that. Have never done it myself though would like to experiment given the chance. Why was it decided to do it to that stem?

17th May 2007, 05:26 PM	#44
Sean Freeman Monument Status Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,985	Here's a short article about coronet pruning by Neville Fay; Attachment 1324

17th May 2007, 05:43 PM	#46
Sean Freeman Monument Status Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,985	Fair enough, wonder if you haveany unusual or even rare fungi that might colonise the stem? Here's a PDF of the corenet article since my laptop seems to be screwing around. coronetcuts_naturalfracture.pdf

17th May 2007, 05:58 PM	#47
Streyken Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 150	Interesting, I've never tried that style of cutting on live wood. This particular stem is in the open, it will get a lot of sun (haha) and wind, but conks may appear. Along the green-belts many more fungi will be seen, it's not something I've ever paid a great deal of attention to other than to estimate how advanced decay may be in certain trees. I'll have to get some pics; because it's so damp, there is a wide variety here. __________________ Trimmin' bush and caring for flowers is good 'n' all... but sometimes ya gotta let the big wood fly and pound the garden.

18th May 2007, 12:21 PM	#49
Streyken Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 150	LOL - I never counted before, but within a 2 minute walk of my place there are over 30 snags! John, I hear people all the time talking about how much damage that tree must have done when it snapped off. The last pic is the recent work of the municipality, there makin' 'em shorter now a days it seems. More Snags __________________ Trimmin' bush and caring for flowers is good 'n' all... but sometimes ya gotta let the big wood fly and pound the garden.

18th May 2007, 01:02 PM	#50
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,820	As long as if they fail they dont hit a valuable target it's a good idea. Also, they dont regrow. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

18th May 2007, 06:19 PM	#51
Streyken Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 150	We always cut them short enough so when they do fail they won't hit a high value target. And yeah, we don't snag cottonwood, willow, etc. Don't know the history there, but I know Clearance likes his spikes, hates hippies and he liked my snag, so he can't be totally evil. __________________ Trimmin' bush and caring for flowers is good 'n' all... but sometimes ya gotta let the big wood fly and pound the garden.

18th May 2007, 06:31 PM	#52
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,820	Clearance is consistent, and predictable. Which is a good thing. Also he has a mind of his own, a leader plus does do his research. He tends to stick it to ISA guys especially in line trimming ... I can understand that. He under went intensive training and finds it wrong that some-one can do some two bob sit down test and claim the same rights as him. I'm the same with ISA cert arb. Having your say, as he does, doesn't worry me too much and although I've had some downs with him we've had some ups too. He doesn't seem to carry baggage and tends to stay on the topic. He goes hard on the topic where others go hard on the people. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

18th May 2007, 08:31 PM	#55
Sean Freeman Monument Status Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,985	Well probably if all your work is consultation then it is possible, some climbing for aerial inspection would be expected though I'm thinking. But you can certainly be an Arborist without the climbing-cutting combination, I think anyway.

18th May 2007, 09:43 PM	#57
Sean Freeman Monument Status Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,985	No I hadn't, yet another club I can't join....ah well, might just send them an email asking why physically undertaking Arb work excludes you from consulting, so long as the consult is not on work your company is bidding for can't see how any conflict of interest could be construed? But then I've been told many times I'm thick and just don't understand the subtleties of these things, glad to see the membership list though some familiar names, maybe I'll just ask some of them hat the deal is next time our paths cross (Oh I can hear their expectation already!) and how they judge themselves as not having unreasonable favouritism towards the companies of others that they kno and are friendly towards, how could they avoid the problem of favouring ISA memebers, or heaven forbid companies with CA's over those without. Hmmmm..something of a tangled web me thinks, and by favour I mean writing into their consultancy bench marks and basic levels of service standard ie qualified Arborist to undertake work in accordance with AS4373...etc (of course by etc I mean nix in Oz cause 4373 is all we've got!) Rant over

18th May 2007, 10:06 PM	#58
JohN Dee Moderator Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Climbing around the world Posts: 855	Back on topic you lot. __________________ We are what we repeatedly do... Excellence then, is not an act, but HABIT... Red : Green : Blue

18th May 2007, 10:12 PM	#59
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,820	Hmmm When you dig you seldom find gold. Sorry John. What were we here about? __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

4th August 2007, 01:02 PM	#60
Streyken Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 150	Some more pics Been busy the last few months and haven't been carrying the camera as much as I'd like, but here are a few of the recent jobs I've done. Snow damaged cedars - yuck, lots of volume. Before After, almost. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Trimmin' bush and caring for flowers is good 'n' all... but sometimes ya gotta let the big wood fly and pound the garden.

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