Streyken's Pics

Ekka · 15th May 2007, 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Streyken

Hey "Tim", if you really want a debate, go to AS and call out a user named "Clearance", tell him you're against spike pruning and that he shouldn't do it, he'll gladly accommodate I'm sure.

Haha, also tell him you go to church and power line trimmers aren't as skilled as ISA arbo's ... wow, that'll be great.

Streyken · 15th May 2007, 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ekka

Haha, also tell him you go to church and power line trimmers aren't as skilled as ISA arbo's ... wow, that'll be great.

I'd buy tickets.

Sean Freeman · 15th May 2007, 11:42 PM

Quote:

(5) When a chain saw is being used, the climbing rope or strap must be made of material that cannot be severed by the saw, or a second climbing rope or strap must be used.

Wow Streyken haven't the people who are on the OH&S committee that developed the Canadian standards ever seen a chain saw, I can't think of any material that you could construct a useable rope or strap out of that would not be severed by the impact of a chain saw with sharp chain whilst under the load of the climber...bizzare wording, quite impossible to comply to!

(and yep Tim loves circles)

Streyken · 16th May 2007, 12:01 AM

I guess you could argue a wire core couldn't be cut, then if it is they would just say "he should have had two". I talked to three compliance officers last week regarding one-handed chain sawing. Two admitted to many of the regulations being vague or "grey." They understand some of the needs of industry while at the same time trying to cover safety "holes." Two said the same thing almost word for word - that industry dictates many of their mandates. I guess not many people are making claims for injuries sustained one-handing, because all three just said refer to the user manual, I said it doesn't cover many situations or climbing, they said take care as long as we hear your saw running that's a good thing. None seemed too concerned. Most of the compliance officers here are good. Mandatory training and documentation is on its way in June I believe.

TrevMcRev · 16th May 2007, 01:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Streyken

(5) When a chain saw is being used, the climbing rope or strap must be made of material that cannot be severed by the saw, or a second climbing rope or strap must be used.

The last part disqualifies the first part. So basically a 2nd tie in when cutting i guess.

Sean Freeman · 16th May 2007, 01:51 AM

Yeah you're right Trev, crap reading skills on my part sorry..

Ekka · 16th May 2007, 03:49 AM

But have you seen Stryken's lanyard ... 5/8 trawler CABLE.

Who'd like to see if cutting through is possible and trash a chain trying.

Stryken, got an old chain with little tooth left, sharpen the chain up and try cut thru a tensioned piece of trawler cable ... see what happens.

Also, maybe they can start to make lanyards out of the same material as chainsaw pants. You know those synthetic slings we use with lifting, but the inside has chainclogging stuff, maybe that's cut proof then.

also, Stryken doesn't do changeovers for branches, pretty much up and down and branches get cut off. Probability of kicking out is way lower than climbing palms, I reckon you'd get gut scraped and snagged ... perhaps shish kabob'd on any stubs left (flush cuts way to go).

Now here's a video of Yanks pole climb ... could have been shot in Canada though ... notice they go up and down, no belay or safety. Notice how even on such a smooth pole you have to manipulate yourself to come down fast. If that were a rough ole 100' fir with stubs you'd get caught for sure, maybe Stryken can demo that too.

Tim Craig · 16th May 2007, 04:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by a_lopa

Tim seems good at pointless circles.

I think your being a wee bit unfair Jason, it was a perfectably reasonable question, which incidently, Streyken gave a perfectly reasonable answer to.

I just assumed those guys out there climbing the big conifers would use SRT, throwlines, and big shots etc.....

Didn't know about the brittle 8 inch diam branches!!

Ah well, it's all good.

I reckon wire core lanyards under load can be severed by a MS660 at full revs.

Ekka · 16th May 2007, 04:28 AM

Hey guys, Stryken would not have posted such controversial info not expecting to be questioned.

And if we didn't question then there'd be something not quite right there either.

Difference is Stryken knows his regs for his region and is operating within the grey area which seems to be where the authorities want it.

Debate is now whether or not a lanyard is cuttable, his is 5/8 trawler cable, that at least shows he's given considerable thought to the condition.

Sean Freeman · 16th May 2007, 04:45 AM

My vote is definately cuttable.

Back in the late 70's when I were but a lad, got my first chainsaw training for a sumer job removing over 100 dead elm trees near a small town called Ilkeston, was a park part of a stately home, now is some horrible theme park....anyway...the bloke who gave all us very keen teenagers training in the use of our saws (great big buggers on leather strops attached to our waists!) used many very unique visual aids one of which was a film (not video 16mm film) of a bloke cutting throught the side of a van (painted like a security van the type with money in it) with a large chain saw 090 size...cut right through, cut a door on the side, right through the struts and everything!! Now I realize that the chain must have been some kind of tungsten carbide but pretty damn impressive...never forgot that bloke or his visual aids.

Ekka · 16th May 2007, 05:07 AM

I think I'll do a demo by cutting Jim out of a tree tomorrow.

Sean Freeman · 16th May 2007, 05:26 AM

Ok, but if you do I want first dibs on the AFC if thats what he was using on that Queen.

Streyken · 16th May 2007, 08:48 AM

Yup, the regs were just updated in May. So, what's your guys take on number 1? does that mean you must use spurs to climb every tree?

or that there just aren't any regs concerning spurless?

In reality there are no regulations specifically for arboriculture work, we are considered a subset of forestry and the regs that are most applicable are applied, at least that's what Worksafe told me. Here are our regs:
http://www2.worksafebc.com/Publicati...ion/Part26.asp

<edit>Oh, and Ekka I do have some old chain, will see if I can dig up a piece of old cable.</edit>

Streyken · 16th May 2007, 09:04 AM

Also, like I said before, the officers here are reasonable. What I think they don't want you doing is coming down a 1/2" line cutting branches on the way down with no second safety - I would never do that!

Fairfield · 16th May 2007, 10:06 AM

god that would be so funny to see, until I turn around and there is noone standing there besides the local police with gun at me

But i'll teel ya everytime I see you guys taking down Palms thats what I think about.... there should be a warning for me in the start of yours vids.

Streyken · 16th May 2007, 04:29 PM

Well, finished up this job today, fell the chunk, made a snag, cleared the trail and slashed all the brush from the other trees that fell last December.
Snag Pics

The 13.8MB video is here:Cutting Snag

Did this with a camera and stitched the pieces together needed to conserve space, but no other editing.

jim1nz · 16th May 2007, 09:25 PM

Ha Clearance, i try never to get into beef on forums but sorry to say clarence is an absolute idiot, he is no arborist. When he dies, trees will rip him limb form limb. Dont bother with him mate.

16th May 2007, 12:01 AM	#29 (permalink)
Streyken Fly'n Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 206	I guess you could argue a wire core couldn't be cut, then if it is they would just say "he should have had two". I talked to three compliance officers last week regarding one-handed chain sawing. Two admitted to many of the regulations being vague or "grey." They understand some of the needs of industry while at the same time trying to cover safety "holes." Two said the same thing almost word for word - that industry dictates many of their mandates. I guess not many people are making claims for injuries sustained one-handing, because all three just said refer to the user manual, I said it doesn't cover many situations or climbing, they said take care as long as we hear your saw running that's a good thing. None seemed too concerned. Most of the compliance officers here are good. Mandatory training and documentation is on its way in June I believe. __________________ Trimmin' bush and caring for flowers is good 'n' all... but sometimes ya gotta let the big wood fly and pound the garden.

16th May 2007, 01:51 AM	#31 (permalink)
Sean Freeman PDF King & Arborist Extrodinaire Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,521	Yeah you're right Trev, crap reading skills on my part sorry.. __________________ Sean Trees are poems that earth writes upon the sky, We fell them down and turn them into paper, That we may record our emptiness. - Kahlil Gibran

16th May 2007, 04:28 AM	#34 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 5,659	Hey guys, Stryken would not have posted such controversial info not expecting to be questioned. And if we didn't question then there'd be something not quite right there either. Difference is Stryken knows his regs for his region and is operating within the grey area which seems to be where the authorities want it. Debate is now whether or not a lanyard is cuttable, his is 5/8 trawler cable, that at least shows he's given considerable thought to the condition. __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

16th May 2007, 04:45 AM	#35 (permalink)
Sean Freeman PDF King & Arborist Extrodinaire Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,521	My vote is definately cuttable. Back in the late 70's when I were but a lad, got my first chainsaw training for a sumer job removing over 100 dead elm trees near a small town called Ilkeston, was a park part of a stately home, now is some horrible theme park....anyway...the bloke who gave all us very keen teenagers training in the use of our saws (great big buggers on leather strops attached to our waists!) used many very unique visual aids one of which was a film (not video 16mm film) of a bloke cutting throught the side of a van (painted like a security van the type with money in it) with a large chain saw 090 size...cut right through, cut a door on the side, right through the struts and everything!! Now I realize that the chain must have been some kind of tungsten carbide but pretty damn impressive...never forgot that bloke or his visual aids. __________________ Sean Trees are poems that earth writes upon the sky, We fell them down and turn them into paper, That we may record our emptiness. - Kahlil Gibran

16th May 2007, 05:07 AM	#36 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 5,659	I think I'll do a demo by cutting Jim out of a tree tomorrow. __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

16th May 2007, 05:26 AM	#37 (permalink)
Sean Freeman PDF King & Arborist Extrodinaire Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,521	Ok, but if you do I want first dibs on the AFC if thats what he was using on that Queen. __________________ Sean Trees are poems that earth writes upon the sky, We fell them down and turn them into paper, That we may record our emptiness. - Kahlil Gibran

16th May 2007, 08:48 AM	#38 (permalink)
Streyken Fly'n Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 206	Yup, the regs were just updated in May. So, what's your guys take on number 1? does that mean you must use spurs to climb every tree? or that there just aren't any regs concerning spurless? In reality there are no regulations specifically for arboriculture work, we are considered a subset of forestry and the regs that are most applicable are applied, at least that's what Worksafe told me. Here are our regs: http://www2.worksafebc.com/Publicati...ion/Part26.asp <edit>Oh, and Ekka I do have some old chain, will see if I can dig up a piece of old cable.</edit> __________________ Trimmin' bush and caring for flowers is good 'n' all... but sometimes ya gotta let the big wood fly and pound the garden. Last edited by Streyken : 16th May 2007 at 08:51 AM. Reason: addition

16th May 2007, 09:04 AM	#39 (permalink)
Streyken Fly'n Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 206	Also, like I said before, the officers here are reasonable. What I think they don't want you doing is coming down a 1/2" line cutting branches on the way down with no second safety - I would never do that! __________________ Trimmin' bush and caring for flowers is good 'n' all... but sometimes ya gotta let the big wood fly and pound the garden.

16th May 2007, 10:06 AM	#40 (permalink)
Fairfield Cruisin' Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bucks county Pa USA Posts: 70	god that would be so funny to see, until I turn around and there is noone standing there besides the local police with gun at me But i'll teel ya everytime I see you guys taking down Palms thats what I think about.... there should be a warning for me in the start of yours vids. __________________ Hi yes you know me I am B.A.M.F nice to meet you

16th May 2007, 04:29 PM	#41 (permalink)
Streyken Fly'n Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 206	fall, snag, slash Well, finished up this job today, fell the chunk, made a snag, cleared the trail and slashed all the brush from the other trees that fell last December. Snag Pics The 13.8MB video is here:Cutting Snag Did this with a camera and stitched the pieces together needed to conserve space, but no other editing. __________________ Trimmin' bush and caring for flowers is good 'n' all... but sometimes ya gotta let the big wood fly and pound the garden.

16th May 2007, 09:25 PM	#42 (permalink)
jim1nz Afterburner is shakin' Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Tauranga, New Zealand Posts: 296	Ha Clearance, i try never to get into beef on forums but sorry to say clarence is an absolute idiot, he is no arborist. When he dies, trees will rip him limb form limb. Dont bother with him mate. __________________