Some hauling with the new crew.

Therrin · 8th May 2008, 12:53 AM

Finished off a site by hauling away the leftovers after chipping was done.

Ended up making 11 seperate trips with two vehicles to and from the site.

I'm in the green shirt. My new groundy crew did awesome today. Kyle's in the undershirt and Brian's got the long sleeves.

Ekka · 8th May 2008, 12:55 AM

At least you could roll them in but were they sticky with resin?

Therrin · 8th May 2008, 12:58 AM

Some were, some weren't. The 14 or so that I cut several days ago were considerably drier and lighter than the new wet ones coming off.

The weight difference after just a week of the other's drying was noticeable.

Therrin · 8th May 2008, 01:03 AM

Therrin · 8th May 2008, 01:05 PM

A video of us rolling a round.

a_lopa · 8th May 2008, 01:55 PM

BOBCAT!!!Therrin,A works comp claim just aint worth it...your gettin it done thou!!

JohN Dee · 8th May 2008, 02:47 PM

Nice work there Therrin.

Back busting aint worth it man. Get a trolley! We use trolleys all the time, the biggest we've loaded ours upto must have been a 1.7m tall black butt log with 80cm wide. Not one strain was taken loading it either.

You can get a cheap and nasty one that will probably break within a month or two or you can get a little more expensive one and it will last forever. I believe Sherrills has a REALLY nice one, actually made for logs... That one looks a beaut' but comes in at about $300 AUD I believe.

Oh plus fabricate yourself some nice sturdy ramps too or the whole lot if you like.

Psst, take a look at our loader

Our Loader

Hey you know how I'm always going on (nagging and nitpicking like an old wife if you like

) about proper technique and deploying it is the best form of PPE? Well I noticed in this pic:

That you were holding the saw the other way around... Right hand on the top, left on the rear - While bucking, that is a very dangerous - bad stance. If that saw kicksback (major) it's gunna fly back and hit you in the neck/trap/shoulder and REALLY hurt you. The way we minimize that potential impact is by always holding the top with our left and rear with our right while always looking at the left hand side of the bar (never the right!) - that way if it kicks back in theory it is going to fly up and past your body, at the most it will hit your shoulder minimizing any fatal injuries...

In class our teacher got us to use a stopwatch. Hit Start then stop as fast as we could. The reason being it takes 1/15 of a second for a saw to kick back and reach your body. Nobody could beat 1/16 with complete concentration on the stopwatch. So imagine how you'd fair to a kickback absolutely no where near the same amount of concentration.

Once again, nice work mate, kewl pics (hey who takes them?) - a good interesting thread.

JohN Dee · 8th May 2008, 02:50 PM

Oh wait, I just realised

that is one of your groundies.. Haha

- but I think I read somewhere that you taught him how to use the saws...? So yeah anyways, have a good day

TreeDimensional · 8th May 2008, 04:05 PM

I have seen two lefties doing that, looks awkward, and like John says, it is DANGEROUS. Two approaches can be taken, adapt to the proper hand positioning, OR get a different job.

Ekka · 8th May 2008, 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohN Dee

That you were holding the saw the other way around... Right hand on the top, left on the rear - While bucking, that is a very dangerous - bad stance. If that saw kicksback (major) it's gunna fly back and hit you in the neck/trap/shoulder and REALLY hurt you. The way we minimize that potential impact is by always holding the top with our left and rear with our right while always looking at the left hand side of the bar (never the right!) - that way if it kicks back in theory it is going to fly up and past your body, at the most it will hit your shoulder minimizing any fatal injuries...

A correctly functioning chain brake should engage though.

But .....

Man killed by chainsaw 'lived life to the fullest' - Evening Sun

Quote:

Thirty-year-old Benji J. Masenheimer died Thursday at his family's Pigeon Hills farm after a chainsaw he was using to cut wood kicked back and struck him in the chest....

.... "The ambulance guys said there wasn't anything anybody could have done," Jim Masenheimer said

newguy18 · 8th May 2008, 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohN Dee

Nice work there Therrin.

Back busting aint worth it man. Get a trolley! We use trolleys all the time, the biggest we've loaded ours upto must have been a 1.7m tall black butt log with 80cm wide. Not one strain was taken loading it either.

You can get a cheap and nasty one that will probably break within a month or two or you can get a little more expensive one and it will last forever. I believe Sherrills has a REALLY nice one, actually made for logs... That one looks a beaut' but comes in at about $300 AUD I believe.

Oh plus fabricate yourself some nice sturdy ramps too or the whole lot if you like.

Psst, take a look at our loader

Our Loader

Hey you know how I'm always going on (nagging and nitpicking like an old wife if you like

) about proper technique and deploying it is the best form of PPE? Well I noticed in this pic:

That you were holding the saw the other way around... Right hand on the top, left on the rear - While bucking, that is a very dangerous - bad stance. If that saw kicksback (major) it's gunna fly back and hit you in the neck/trap/shoulder and REALLY hurt you. The way we minimize that potential impact is by always holding the top with our left and rear with our right while always looking at the left hand side of the bar (never the right!) - that way if it kicks back in theory it is going to fly up and past your body, at the most it will hit your shoulder minimizing any fatal injuries...

In class our teacher got us to use a stopwatch. Hit Start then stop as fast as we could. The reason being it takes 1/15 of a second for a saw to kick back and reach your body. Nobody could beat 1/16 with complete concentration on the stopwatch. So imagine how you'd fair to a kickback absolutely no where near the same amount of concentration.

Once again, nice work mate, kewl pics (hey who takes them?) - a good interesting thread.

I'll have to disagree John,it doesn't matter if what your hand pattern is,if the saw kicks back your gonna get cut if your in the way.I got lucky with a kickback once but it was only because of a working chain brake.I have to switch grips on the saw from time to time depends on the cut.

Therrin · 9th May 2008, 02:54 AM

Mmmm, wow, I go away for the day and look what happens =)

Yes, it was a groundie.
No, I didn't teach him.
The short form of the story is that I needed a trailer. He had one, and he runs his own "tree business"... and used to work for Kelley Tree Service out here. Normally this is scary, but I know the guy and I needed the truck and trailer for the day.

It being only his first time working with me I was watching him to see how he does things; and he spent most of his time holding it the "right" way. I even ended up using that hold a couple times throughout making all those cuts, so I won't say anything about that with him.

He ended up doing bar/chain swaps for me, and I noticed he checked the air filter, filled both tanks and didn't have any trouble with the tool-less caps. He looks comfy around a saw, didn't spill stuff all over the place.
I think he's okay so far. I might start picking him up more often for work.

The guy is an absolute mule too. He, Kyle, and I should make a really good crew.

Anyhow... Thanks for mentioning it though.

Therrin · 9th May 2008, 02:57 AM

I'll check out the loaders... and I do need to make up some trolleys (I think we call them dollies?)

As for the kickback.... I've gotta disagree with everyone.
While cutting the stuff down by the root ball that was still partially buried and difficult to get to I ended up getting repeated kickbacks.
Was cutting down the kerf and cleaning it with a 25" bar trying to go through almost 50 some odd inches of wood, it would occasionally catch and kick really hard.

I dont think that just because you have a kickback means that it's gonna come back and hit you, maybe with a bigger saw but not the 361.
I'm sure if I had a limp wrist it'd have come all the way back and smacked me, but if you're alert and holding it firmly then the kickback is very manageable. Ya sure feel it though. I think my mom would probably have alot of trouble with it but it doesn't bother me.

The chain brake works great, however, it actually jammed the whole thing up once and the chain wouldn't budge with the brake on or off. Had to wiggle the chain with the side plate removed and the brake off, then apply some pressure with a screwdriver and it finally popped free.

Any ideas on that?

newguy18 · 9th May 2008, 05:49 AM

You need to pull the chain brake cover off and clean it.watch out so that spring doesn't come flying out though it hurts something fierce if it hits you in the eye or the nose.

8th May 2008, 12:55 AM	#2 (permalink)
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8th May 2008, 12:58 AM	#3 (permalink)
Therrin The Tree World Bandit Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Lancaster, Ca Posts: 1,112	Re: Some hauling with the new crew. Some were, some weren't. The 14 or so that I cut several days ago were considerably drier and lighter than the new wet ones coming off. The weight difference after just a week of the other's drying was noticeable. __________________ Ken Fessia I.T.S.A. Tree Service (661) 916-4703

8th May 2008, 01:05 PM	#5 (permalink)
Therrin The Tree World Bandit Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Lancaster, Ca Posts: 1,112	Re: Some hauling with the new crew. A video of us rolling a round. __________________ Ken Fessia I.T.S.A. Tree Service (661) 916-4703

8th May 2008, 01:55 PM	#6 (permalink)
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8th May 2008, 02:47 PM	#7 (permalink)
JohN Dee Astronaut Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 679	Re: Some hauling with the new crew. Nice work there Therrin. Back busting aint worth it man. Get a trolley! We use trolleys all the time, the biggest we've loaded ours upto must have been a 1.7m tall black butt log with 80cm wide. Not one strain was taken loading it either. You can get a cheap and nasty one that will probably break within a month or two or you can get a little more expensive one and it will last forever. I believe Sherrills has a REALLY nice one, actually made for logs... That one looks a beaut' but comes in at about $300 AUD I believe. Oh plus fabricate yourself some nice sturdy ramps too or the whole lot if you like. Psst, take a look at our loader Our Loader Hey you know how I'm always going on (nagging and nitpicking like an old wife if you like ) about proper technique and deploying it is the best form of PPE? Well I noticed in this pic: That you were holding the saw the other way around... Right hand on the top, left on the rear - While bucking, that is a very dangerous - bad stance. If that saw kicksback (major) it's gunna fly back and hit you in the neck/trap/shoulder and REALLY hurt you. The way we minimize that potential impact is by always holding the top with our left and rear with our right while always looking at the left hand side of the bar (never the right!) - that way if it kicks back in theory it is going to fly up and past your body, at the most it will hit your shoulder minimizing any fatal injuries... In class our teacher got us to use a stopwatch. Hit Start then stop as fast as we could. The reason being it takes 1/15 of a second for a saw to kick back and reach your body. Nobody could beat 1/16 with complete concentration on the stopwatch. So imagine how you'd fair to a kickback absolutely no where near the same amount of concentration. Once again, nice work mate, kewl pics (hey who takes them?) - a good interesting thread. __________________ Climber with slow climbing speed, must make up with mighty chainsaw roar. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Red : Green : Blue

8th May 2008, 02:50 PM	#8 (permalink)
JohN Dee Astronaut Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 679	Re: Some hauling with the new crew. Oh wait, I just realised that is one of your groundies.. Haha - but I think I read somewhere that you taught him how to use the saws...? So yeah anyways, have a good day __________________ Climber with slow climbing speed, must make up with mighty chainsaw roar. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Red : Green : Blue

8th May 2008, 04:05 PM	#9 (permalink)
TreeDimensional Afterburner is shakin' Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 381	Re: Some hauling with the new crew. I have seen two lefties doing that, looks awkward, and like John says, it is DANGEROUS. Two approaches can be taken, adapt to the proper hand positioning, OR get a different job.

9th May 2008, 02:54 AM	#12 (permalink)
Therrin The Tree World Bandit Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Lancaster, Ca Posts: 1,112	Re: Some hauling with the new crew. Mmmm, wow, I go away for the day and look what happens =) Yes, it was a groundie. No, I didn't teach him. The short form of the story is that I needed a trailer. He had one, and he runs his own "tree business"... and used to work for Kelley Tree Service out here. Normally this is scary, but I know the guy and I needed the truck and trailer for the day. It being only his first time working with me I was watching him to see how he does things; and he spent most of his time holding it the "right" way. I even ended up using that hold a couple times throughout making all those cuts, so I won't say anything about that with him. He ended up doing bar/chain swaps for me, and I noticed he checked the air filter, filled both tanks and didn't have any trouble with the tool-less caps. He looks comfy around a saw, didn't spill stuff all over the place. I think he's okay so far. I might start picking him up more often for work. The guy is an absolute mule too. He, Kyle, and I should make a really good crew. Anyhow... Thanks for mentioning it though. __________________ Ken Fessia I.T.S.A. Tree Service (661) 916-4703

9th May 2008, 02:57 AM	#13 (permalink)
Therrin The Tree World Bandit Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Lancaster, Ca Posts: 1,112	Re: Some hauling with the new crew. I'll check out the loaders... and I do need to make up some trolleys (I think we call them dollies?) As for the kickback.... I've gotta disagree with everyone. While cutting the stuff down by the root ball that was still partially buried and difficult to get to I ended up getting repeated kickbacks. Was cutting down the kerf and cleaning it with a 25" bar trying to go through almost 50 some odd inches of wood, it would occasionally catch and kick really hard. I dont think that just because you have a kickback means that it's gonna come back and hit you, maybe with a bigger saw but not the 361. I'm sure if I had a limp wrist it'd have come all the way back and smacked me, but if you're alert and holding it firmly then the kickback is very manageable. Ya sure feel it though. I think my mom would probably have alot of trouble with it but it doesn't bother me. The chain brake works great, however, it actually jammed the whole thing up once and the chain wouldn't budge with the brake on or off. Had to wiggle the chain with the side plate removed and the brake off, then apply some pressure with a screwdriver and it finally popped free. Any ideas on that? __________________ Ken Fessia I.T.S.A. Tree Service (661) 916-4703

9th May 2008, 05:49 AM	#14 (permalink)
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