me topping out walnut trees

stirmantrees · 7th October 2009, 11:38 AM

Hey TrevMcRev,

how did he die?

TrevMcRev · 7th October 2009, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by stirmantrees

Hey TrevMcRev,

how did he die?

Not from old age

He fell. He invented "Rope Jumping" Check it out :

YouTube - Dan Osman Jumps

Theres heaps more on you tube of him here: YouTube - dan osman

This wiki tels a bit more about the man.
Dan Osman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

stirmantrees · 7th October 2009, 01:29 PM

Definitely a risk taker and incredibly talented. He looked like rocket climbing that mountain face.

Therrin · 7th October 2009, 02:29 PM

Yeah that's nuts!! When he dyno'd for that lip I was thinking

damn!

What a climber! Top of the class, amazing talent.

Too bad he's dead though..... That rope-jumping looks like fun! I'd love to know what he was usin for pro while doin that.

sbunnell07 · 10th October 2009, 08:33 PM

I guess my flagrant behavior is uncalled for. I was just being defensive. I need to be way more humble and I know this. I am grateful for everyday that I have. I am grateful for the skills that I have to make a decent living. I am grateful for everything that is good in my life. I never realized that the crazy rock climber from Europe died. Doesn't suprise me much though. It probably wouldn't suprise any of you though if something happened to me, but at the same time the same thing goes for you guys, It's dangerous out here and it could happen at anytime to any of us. I apologize for my rude comments and mockery of your practices. I'm not better than anybody, I'm just trying to be the best for me. I do things that are crazy and I have methods that are wrong and against standards. I am going to make an effort to bend....maybe a little bit...but still....I have adapted myself into a certain.....I'm going to use the word "groove" and it works for me. I'm not trying to sound cocky again, but when I get on the bark and I get into that rythym and I feel the tree...nothing can stop me...unless of course the tree breaks out underneath my feet. I'm so headstrong about this because this is all I have in this world that I am really good at (well I play a really mean jazz bass, but I'm no Jaco Pastorius...lol..) Anyway, I just wanted to let you know that I respect all you guys out there and don't think that I don't for one second because I know you are all out here doing the same thing I am: Riskin ur asses to feed your babies. Take care.

Jeff Darby · 10th October 2009, 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sbunnell07

I guess my flagrant behavior is uncalled for. I was just being defensive. I need to be way more humble and I know this. I am grateful for everyday that I have. I am grateful for the skills that I have to make a decent living. I am grateful for everything that is good in my life. I never realized that the crazy rock climber from Europe died. Doesn't suprise me much though. It probably wouldn't suprise any of you though if something happened to me, but at the same time the same thing goes for you guys, It's dangerous out here and it could happen at anytime to any of us. I apologize for my rude comments and mockery of your practices. I'm not better than anybody, I'm just trying to be the best for me. I do things that are crazy and I have methods that are wrong and against standards. I am going to make an effort to bend....maybe a little bit...but still....I have adapted myself into a certain.....I'm going to use the word "groove" and it works for me. I'm not trying to sound cocky again, but when I get on the bark and I get into that rythym and I feel the tree...nothing can stop me...unless of course the tree breaks out underneath my feet. I'm so headstrong about this because this is all I have in this world that I am really good at (well I play a really mean jazz bass, but I'm no Jaco Pastorius...lol..) Anyway, I just wanted to let you know that I respect all you guys out there and don't think that I don't for one second because I know you are all out here doing the same thing I am: Riskin ur asses to feed your babies. Take care.

Well said, Once more Welcome to TreeWorld.

Hope to see more pictures of your work in the future, looking as professional as this last post came over.

Good luck and best wishes.
JayD

Victor Lindsay · 10th October 2009, 10:45 PM

HEY sbunnell07, welcome to tree world.

Garry Brockley · 11th October 2009, 11:39 AM

way to go welcome again!

sbunnell07 · 11th October 2009, 12:36 PM

The only one eyed king I know is the one eyed king snake in my pants

Eric Frei · 11th October 2009, 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sbunnell07

I never realized that the crazy rock climber from Europe died. Doesn't suprise me much though.

Source: SummitPost - Daniel Eugene Osman -- Articles

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Daniel was born 11.2.1963 in Reno, Nevada. He was of American-Japanese origin.

I found this, interesting to see what is written and how authorities carryon!
Source: My Dan Osman Rope Failure Analysis - rec.climbing | Google Groups

Quote:

I think it is time I spoke up publicly. I have reviewed Dano's rope in
some detail. My findings and theory support those published by Kevin
Worrall in Climbing (No 183, March 1999, Pg 90).

This statement is mine personally and NOT that of Black Diamond Equipment!
This is obvious as you read below.

Irrelevant Background:
I am a Materials Engineer with BS degrees in Physics and Materials
Engineering and a ME in Materials Engineering (I nearly finished a PhD but
bailed once I learned I did not enjoy being a scientist any longer). I
know lots about atomic layer semiconductor crystal growth. I have been
the Quality Assurance Manager for Black Diamond Equipment for 6 years. My
primary responsibility is the testing and analysis of climbing equipment,
among other stuff. I have been involved in the ASTM climbing and
mountaineering standards development for the last 4 years. I investigate
all accidents I hear of involving equipment failure, whether they are BD's
or not. I review rec.climbing every day looking specifically for posts
related to accidents, gear, misuses of gear, issues about BD, etc. I, and
others at BD, go out of our way on this news group to publish information
above and beyond what is required by the standards that climbing gear is
designed to (see the recent lame thread on "Gear Safety" which I will not
respond to specifically. See Karl Lew's web site. Search under my name
on dejanews for examples). I do not post to this news group as a general
rule unless I think that posts from various people are specifically wrong
or misleading, as is the current case (in fact I try to avoid posting
because of commercial conflict of interest). I respond to individuals on
this news group constantly and my comments to these people come back into
this group (see the current RP thread on soldering cable fatigue). I
respond in detail to individuals who ask me questions, even when they do
not like what BD is about (see recent Camalot threads and failure analysis
associated with this thread).

Even more irrelevant background:
I have been rock climbing since 1981, and am primarily a trad climber. I
am a risk taker because I climb. Climbing IS dangerous and anyone who
thinks otherwise if fooling themselves. Anyone who climbs is a risk taker
in my opinion. I climb 5.12 on any rock type (that I have been on) and
style (except offwidth, so far) and have onsighted up to 12c/d. I climb
WI6 and possibly harder (ice is either hard or easy to me and is my
primary passion). I climb M8. I establish new rock, ice and mixed
routes ground up with and without bolts. I have no aid or alpine
experience. I weight 190 lbs and take upside-down 40 to 60 footers
without my helmet on. I have nearly killed myself several times due to
falling off 5.8. I am a climber, climbing eventually involves falling,
which may very well kill or maim me. Most people, including myself, would
consider me to be reckless because of how I climb. I climb for my own
reasons and no one else's. I don't care what people think about me in
general. Why Dano jumped off cliffs is his own personal choice that
nobody has a right to argue against, even if he had children in my
opinion. I certainly have no right to judge his reasons for doing what he
did. I respect Dano for pushing the limits way way beyond where they had
been previously. I met Dano twice but did not know him. I know many of
his friends.

Relevant Background:
My expertise in the analysis of broken climbing ropes is very limited.
This is due to the fact that climbing ropes very rarely break or cut in
actual use. The only previous experience I have with rope failure
analysis was that of Matt Baxter who died on El Cap several years ago when
his rope was cut by a flake after a carabiner had broken (see dejanews for
more info on this, send a Freedom of Information Request to the NPS-I
recommend you do it for the Dano accident as well and then you can have a
copy of my official report, or look at ANAM). I have also reviewed
several ropes with sheaths shredded due to the open back regular carabiner
gates in minor axis. This lack of experience could indicate that my
findings are incorrect or suspect.

I first became involved in Dano's accident when news of Dano's death
spread across this news group with the associated rumors that the NPS
might have purposely cut his rope. On December 9, 1998 I sent an email to
John Dill (YOSAR director) letting him know of these rumors on this news
group and offered my assistance in the analysis of Dano's equipment. John
responded back that Yosemite Law Enforcement (YLE) was investigating the
accident and that they had to finish their investigation before I might be
able to see the ropes (they too knew of the rumors of murder and were
investigating this as well I suspect). As you all should know Dan's ropes
stayed on the wall for over a month and YLE was unable to recover them.
Given the rumors of tampering by the NPS a climber took matters into his
own hands. He recovered the ropes and sent them directly to BD. As soon
as I received the ropes I contacted YLE because I was in possession of
stolen federal evidence from an active investigation. I was told to
return the ropes immediately and reveal the name of the person who sent me
the ropes. While on the phone with the lead investigator another phone
call came into BD from "someone within YLE" stating that the FBI would be
at BD to arrest me if I did not send the ropes back the next day. I was
freaking out to say the least. Meanwhile I looked at the rope in some
detail. It was melted through. It looked as if there were the
possibility that someone had hot cut the rope. When I called YLE back and
told them this they wanted me to conduct my full investigation and allowed
me to keep the rope for two weeks. No FBI showed up to haul me away.

Analysis:

I only saw the one section of rope that was cut down and contained the
failure point. I did not see the rigging, retrieval rope, or the section
that was attached to Dan directly.

Everything I did was visual examination. I did not untie any knot or
tamper with the rope in any way other than prying the knots to see inside.
With some insight from Doug Heinrich I concluded that the failure of Dan's
rope was not due to tensile overload or from being tampered with. I
strongly believe that Dan did miscalculate on his last jump. For some
reason he moved his jump site. In doing so he crossed the ropes (either
on the retrieval line or on the main jump line). When he jumped the first
knot above the one he was tied in with slid down a section of rope several
lengths up. The sheath was heavily melted and removed in several sections
on this upper part of the rope. The knot that slid down the rope was
melted in multiple locations and was melted nearly completely through,
deep inside the knot. This knot was not tight, yet others in the system
were (this is the one open question that is unresolved as far as I know).
It is my conclusion that Dan's rope was cut by his own rope sliding
against itself. Use of a magnifying glass indicated to me that the cut
surface was due to sliding action in one direction. There was no evidence
of hot cutting with a knife or other type of instrument. I conducted
further experiments in my lab to see if tensile overload could have caused
this failure. The samples I tested were significantly different in that
they were heavily frayed and tattered. My analysis of Dan's ropes in
general was that they were in great condition. There was no evidence to
me of damage due to previous falls, uv exposure, or weather. I would have
climbed on these ropes without any hesitation had they not been from this
accident. I do not believe that the condition of the ropes had anything
at all to do with the failure of the ropes. Nor do I believe that Dan's
basic shock absorbing setup was incorrect. Crossing the ropes was the
problem.

I was asked by YLE not to make my findings public until they had finished
their criminal investigation. They forced me to tell them who sent me the
rope and they pressed charges against this individual (I will have to live
with the fact that I was unable to keep this information confidential). I
still have not heard back from YLE about closure of this accident and
decided to make my findings public now due to the vast numbers of
misinformed posts relative to this subject. Maybe my analysis will stop
some of the useless bickering many of you are currently engaged in.

Conclusions:
What is to be learned from this accident? NEVER LET NYLON SLIDE AGAINST
NYLON! You should already know this.

I also know that Dano's rigging setup was reviewed by more than a couple
of technically competent people. I also know that he tested it multiple
times. I personally do not think that what Dan was doing (when done
properly as he had done on earlier jumps) was any more dangerous than
modern ice climbers doing hard thin ice routes (like in Maple Canyon and
elsewhere), in fact his setup was most likely safer in my personal
opinion. Dan's death was a tragedy and an accident.

Again, this summary is mine personally and not that of Black Diamond.

Chris Harmston (chr...@bdel.com).
Quality Assurance Manager. Materials Engineer BS, ME.
Black Diamond Equipment Ltd.
2084 East 3900 South, SLC, UT 84124 phone: 801-278-5552

DISCLAIMER: Unless otherwise indicated, this correspondence is personal
opinion and NOT an official statement of Black Diamond Equipment Ltd.

I added a copy of this post to our thread on Dan.

Dan Osman, rock climber and jumper

Therrin · 11th October 2009, 05:54 PM

Welcome to TreeWorld man.

kiwi_tree_steve · 12th October 2009, 05:54 PM

Yo Welcome mate,
keep keepin it REAL mate, as you say its Dangerous out there!

take care

steve

Jason Axe · 13th October 2009, 04:30 AM

welcome to treeworld post some pics that burr oak looked like a tricky job
be safe, jason

Therrin · 18th October 2009, 10:33 AM

Helmet saves CranbourneTree Lopper

newguy18 · 18th October 2009, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by sbunnell07

I wouldnt know because umm....I work for myself and make my own decisions..... I could probably climb circles around any instructor that you know. Like I said in one of the other posts, I sub out to about two dozen tree companies in my state and about a dozen others throughout the states. I'm good at what I do and I love what I do and the bottom line is I make good money doing it. I finally made a career out of it. I have NEVER made an insurance claim and more importantly I have NEVER hurt anyone. So although my methods are against standards and yeah...accidents do happen....(with or without gear) I was made to dismantle trees and that's what I do best. So if you cant cut without knowing how to keep your eye from getting gouged out or having something fall and break your skull, that's not my fault.

According to osha if you work for yourself and have no other employees then yuo can't be held to thier standards or be cited for breaking them.I do what i want when i want,always have,and i do a good job of reminding my boss of that daily.

newguy18 · 18th October 2009, 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrevMcRev

You can be fast & safe.

:

I'll dis agree with that,my boss likes 2 lanyards while ascending a tree for removal,we did a couple of puny 70' pine removals a few days ago,i had mine done almost 2 hours before he finished his because
1. he was tied in twice at all times
2.he won't one hand a damn climb saw
3.he ropes down limbs that can be pieced out or swung away in one shot,he doesn't like to take chances where i'll land a limb or tree within inches of a house or line.
Whats real pitiful is he had less weith because i climb with a 460.

Jeff Darby · 18th October 2009, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by newguy18

I'll dis agree with that,my boss likes 2 lanyards while ascending a tree for removal,we did a couple of puny 70' pine removals a few days ago,i had mine done almost 2 hours before he finished his because
1. he was tied in twice at all times
2.he won't one hand a damn climb saw
3.he ropes down limbs that can be pieced out or swung away in one shot,he doesn't like to take chances where i'll land a limb or tree within inches of a house or line.
Whats real pitiful is he had less weith because i climb with a 460.

lol...it's been a while since you posted like you know what you are doing...matter of fact i'm still looking for that post...

newguy18 · 18th October 2009, 05:16 PM

i know exactly what i'm doing,getting the job as quick as possible and i have no problem breaking rules to do so.I've free climbed over 100' in trees,some trees i'll even walk out on limbs without my climb line and piece them out on my way out.Just should have been born a monkey i guess.i do what i want and tell my boss to look the other way and i've told him when he suggested i change some of my habits to bite me.I'm good at my job and making his life hell.

Jeff Darby · 18th October 2009, 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by newguy18

i know exactly what i'm doing,getting the job as quick as possible and i have no problem breaking rules to do so.I've free climbed over 100' in trees,some trees i'll even walk out on limbs without my climb line and piece them out on my way out.Just should have been born a monkey i guess.i do what i want and tell my boss to look the other way and i've told him when he suggested i change some of my habits to bite me.I'm good at my job and making his life hell.

You would get.. The DCM...Here in Australia, ,it seems you regressed back to your stone age ways... Bite the hand that feeds you..you would be bounced out on your butt on my job site.

newguy18 · 18th October 2009, 05:35 PM

I'm one of thier best climbers,not in the safety retrospect but in productivity,i'm very much in control of everything i do and even though i'm not,i make sure everyone working around me is safe.What can i say,i'm self loathing,self destructive,and according to my boss i'm a narcissist.

Therrin · 18th October 2009, 10:57 PM

The difference between him and you NG, is that if YOU screw up, HE has to shell out for it, and it hits his insurance, and other than maybe getting fired, nothing really happens to you.

If HE does something, its the same thing. So he's (wisely) trying to provide a good example for you to learn by, and you just toss all that out the window and try to outdo him in the amount of time. As though a few mins one way or the other is reallly going to matter if you have to replace a window at the end of the day.

SLOOOW DOWN..... and start to respect the people who've hired you. Start thinking about what it will do to THEM when you screw up.

BTW, if you work for yourself, and have none others working for you, yeah, you can do as you want, but:
1) If a log smashes your head to little pieces, a helmet could still save your life
2) The scenario doesnt fit you because you're employed by someone else, and you should ALWAYS follow their rules.

stirmantrees · 19th October 2009, 11:56 AM

hes baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack.
glad to have you back jim.
just dont jump

he definitely gets the threads jumpin eh therin.
still missing him....

stihlrockin200t · 22nd October 2009, 02:22 PM

i was going to say something but i think ill sit back and

a couple and watch. so how old are you and how old were you when you started climbing? any experience before that?

stihlrockin200t · 22nd October 2009, 02:29 PM

so what cities have you worked in michigan? anything up near me?

dov · 22nd November 2009, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Apocalypsse

Dont have to be a smartass about it. Down here we you dont here the term 'topping out' too often so my apologies for that. But no PPE tho, our instructors would go apeshit if they ever saw that and say some... not nice things. Also as far as I understand pruning with spikes on is against Australian Standards 4373 so you dont see many people doing that here.

Can't say I use much PPE either. Been climbing for a while now. Love it. Use a harness when I really have to, tether my ladders if I use them etc., but in general climb with the breeze in my hair and the branches/trunk to hold me up. I don't do anything rash and don't climb if I don't feel up to it.

I know I'm answering an old post, but whew. Ropes, harness, helmet etc are only AIDS to safety. Safety comes from correct assessment and actions in any given situation. Generally speaking, brains.

stirmantrees · 23rd November 2009, 04:38 AM

perhaps correct assesment and actions would dictate ropes, saddle, helmet, etc.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dov

Can't say I use much PPE either. Been climbing for a while now. Love it. Use a harness when I really have to, tether my ladders if I use them etc., but in general climb with the breeze in my hair and the branches/trunk to hold me up. I don't do anything rash and don't climb if I don't feel up to it.

I know I'm answering an old post, but whew. Ropes, harness, helmet etc are only AIDS to safety. Safety comes from correct assessment and actions in any given situation. Generally speaking, brains.

Garry Brockley · 23rd November 2009, 06:42 AM

Are you seriously telling us that in this day and age, with the information that is available at the press of a button, that you are so arrogant as to think that an accident wont happen to you because you allegedly have brains, if you used your brains you would see that injury rates have fallen greatly with the itroduction of ppe on work sites, brains wont protect you against an accident because they are just that an accident you wont see it coming and have time to think about it.
wake up, stop being arrogant and stupid about ppe and join the rest of the world in making this industry more professional instead of tieing in the dark ages.

stirmantrees · 23rd November 2009, 06:58 AM

i think hes a rec climber. cuz cutting while in the situations i am in day to day, you would be dead. i know a guy who uses ppe but can climb like a monkey if he so desires, but still has to use equipment to accomplish anything productive

dov · 23rd November 2009, 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stirmantrees

perhaps correct assesment and actions would dictate ropes, saddle, helmet, etc.

Oh, yes. Sometimes it definitely does, but not all of the time. What I am saying is that PPE alone cannot keep you safe. Safety comes from checking your tree over well, planning your job out BEFORE you leave the ground, knowing your job well, making sure your tools are functioning well and knowing how to use them properly. Sheesh.

Most helmets I see climbers wearing are absolutely bloody useless for a climber. How many of you wear those Husqvarna helmets with the face shield? They're fantastic if you're cutting on the ground, but they have no chin strap, they have a wide brim that gets in the way while climbing and they'll most likely fall off or help snap your neck in a fall. I make sure that my GROUND CREW wear that style of helmet. When climbing you're far better off with a bicycle helmet or something of the sort that fits close to the head, is designed for high speed impact and has a good chin strap. In a fall the greatest risk really is to your spine and pelvis and there is no protection for that but safe climbing. Do you wear a proper climbing helmet? One with a narrow brim and chin straps? Personally I don't bother. In the event of a decent fall I'd rather be dead than paraplegic.

Most of the time I don't use a harness. It comes from being trained by an idiot GI Joe who wouldn't let me use it much. I had to get good at climbing without it. Sometimes I insist on wearing one if the job merits it, but will quite happily climb without PPE as long as there are enough branches that will take my weight. That includes probably the majority of mature suburban trees here in Melbourne. I would say however that I view a harness/flipline as much a climbing aid as PPE.

As far as ropes are concerned, well, I must admit that my previous employer, well, I don't know if even he knows how to climb with ropes. Never seen him do it. I'm starting my Arb. course next year to learn all that stuff. I'm quite aware that there are holes in my knowledge and wish to amend that. There are a lot of trees that could be climbed more quickly and easily AND more safely with a rope and I waste a good deal of time using alternate methods.

As far as basic safety goes, if I don't feel safe doing it, I don't do it. I know safety and I know that all the rigging and PPE in the world won't make an idiot safe. As an ex CFA firefighter and someone trained very well to deal with a good range of emergency situations, safety is always part of my assessment and planning. Ropes, harness and helmet are not. Eg. I very rarely use PPE while climbing an Oak, but pretty much insist on a harness for any tall Lili-pily. Why? Oak branches bend a bit and hold. Lili-pily snaps without warning.

The job we do has so many dangers in it, but all the PPE in the world won't keep you safe if you don't know how to assess risk well, don't know trees and climb badly. Safety does not come from helmet and ropes, it comes from using your head.

dov · 23rd November 2009, 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galbee

Are you seriously telling us that in this day and age, with the information that is available at the press of a button, that you are so arrogant as to think that an accident wont happen to you because you allegedly have brains, if you used your brains you would see that injury rates have fallen greatly with the itroduction of ppe on work sites, brains wont protect you against an accident because they are just that an accident you wont see it coming and have time to think about it.
wake up, stop being arrogant and stupid about ppe and join the rest of the world in making this industry more professional instead of tieing in the dark ages.

I'm saying that all the PPE in the world won't save you if your an idiot. For most suburban trees, climbing like a monkey is both safe and easy. My customers are happy with my work, I enjoy the job and go home at the end of the day safely. My ground crew go back home safely too as I make sure that THEY wear helmets.

I may be opening up a can of worms here, but I'll say it. Most accidents, if they can be called such, are caused by human error. Generally fatigue or pushing for speed too much or just not KNOWING THE RISKS and how to prevent them. I assess my jobs carefully, plan them out well. I'm careful with my cuts and what cut I use in any given situation. I reckon that's pretty professional. Sure, wearing all the pretty gear looks great for the customer, but it can never make up for proper risk assessment and planning.

It's been over four years since I started in the industry and I've only ever had one stop work injury. Believe it or not, it was a long Hawthorn spike that broke off in the muscle above my knee. Still in there I think. Not a bad record I think.

7th October 2009, 11:38 AM	#61
stirmantrees Mature tree Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: oviedo, fl Posts: 469	Re: me topping out walnut trees Hey TrevMcRev, how did he die?

7th October 2009, 01:29 PM	#63
stirmantrees Mature tree Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: oviedo, fl Posts: 469	Re: me topping out walnut trees Definitely a risk taker and incredibly talented. He looked like rocket climbing that mountain face.

7th October 2009, 02:29 PM	#64
Therrin Former Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Bakersfield, Ca Posts: 2,512	Re: me topping out walnut trees Yeah that's nuts!! When he dyno'd for that lip I was thinking damn! What a climber! Top of the class, amazing talent. Too bad he's dead though..... That rope-jumping looks like fun! I'd love to know what he was usin for pro while doin that.

10th October 2009, 08:33 PM	#65
sbunnell07 Sappling Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 35	Re: me topping out walnut trees I guess my flagrant behavior is uncalled for. I was just being defensive. I need to be way more humble and I know this. I am grateful for everyday that I have. I am grateful for the skills that I have to make a decent living. I am grateful for everything that is good in my life. I never realized that the crazy rock climber from Europe died. Doesn't suprise me much though. It probably wouldn't suprise any of you though if something happened to me, but at the same time the same thing goes for you guys, It's dangerous out here and it could happen at anytime to any of us. I apologize for my rude comments and mockery of your practices. I'm not better than anybody, I'm just trying to be the best for me. I do things that are crazy and I have methods that are wrong and against standards. I am going to make an effort to bend....maybe a little bit...but still....I have adapted myself into a certain.....I'm going to use the word "groove" and it works for me. I'm not trying to sound cocky again, but when I get on the bark and I get into that rythym and I feel the tree...nothing can stop me...unless of course the tree breaks out underneath my feet. I'm so headstrong about this because this is all I have in this world that I am really good at (well I play a really mean jazz bass, but I'm no Jaco Pastorius...lol..) Anyway, I just wanted to let you know that I respect all you guys out there and don't think that I don't for one second because I know you are all out here doing the same thing I am: Riskin ur asses to feed your babies. Take care.

10th October 2009, 10:45 PM	#67
Victor Lindsay Mature tree Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Earth Posts: 421	Re: me topping out walnut trees HEY sbunnell07, welcome to tree world.

11th October 2009, 11:39 AM	#68
Garry Brockley Bayside Tree Care Brisbane Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Brisbane Aus Posts: 1,649	Re: me topping out walnut trees way to go welcome again! __________________ My business:- Brisbane Bayside Tree Care

11th October 2009, 12:36 PM	#69
sbunnell07 Sappling Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 35	Re: me topping out walnut trees The only one eyed king I know is the one eyed king snake in my pants

11th October 2009, 05:54 PM	#71
Therrin Former Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Bakersfield, Ca Posts: 2,512	Re: me topping out walnut trees Welcome to TreeWorld man.

12th October 2009, 05:54 PM	#72
kiwi_tree_steve Mature tree Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: BC. Canada Posts: 325	Re: me topping out walnut trees Yo Welcome mate, keep keepin it REAL mate, as you say its Dangerous out there! take care steve __________________ "You have to feel and touch a tree" Shigo

13th October 2009, 04:30 AM	#73
Jason Axe Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: marysville Posts: 63	Re: me topping out walnut trees welcome to treeworld post some pics that burr oak looked like a tricky job be safe, jason

18th October 2009, 10:33 AM	#74
Therrin Former Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Bakersfield, Ca Posts: 2,512	Re: me topping out walnut trees Helmet saves CranbourneTree Lopper

18th October 2009, 05:16 PM	#78
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 4,977	Re: me topping out walnut trees i know exactly what i'm doing,getting the job as quick as possible and i have no problem breaking rules to do so.I've free climbed over 100' in trees,some trees i'll even walk out on limbs without my climb line and piece them out on my way out.Just should have been born a monkey i guess.i do what i want and tell my boss to look the other way and i've told him when he suggested i change some of my habits to bite me.I'm good at my job and making his life hell. __________________ Have your say join us today. old schooler

18th October 2009, 05:35 PM	#80
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 4,977	Re: me topping out walnut trees I'm one of thier best climbers,not in the safety retrospect but in productivity,i'm very much in control of everything i do and even though i'm not,i make sure everyone working around me is safe.What can i say,i'm self loathing,self destructive,and according to my boss i'm a narcissist. __________________ Have your say join us today. old schooler

18th October 2009, 10:57 PM	#81
Therrin Former Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Bakersfield, Ca Posts: 2,512	Re: me topping out walnut trees The difference between him and you NG, is that if YOU screw up, HE has to shell out for it, and it hits his insurance, and other than maybe getting fired, nothing really happens to you. If HE does something, its the same thing. So he's (wisely) trying to provide a good example for you to learn by, and you just toss all that out the window and try to outdo him in the amount of time. As though a few mins one way or the other is reallly going to matter if you have to replace a window at the end of the day. SLOOOW DOWN..... and start to respect the people who've hired you. Start thinking about what it will do to THEM when you screw up. BTW, if you work for yourself, and have none others working for you, yeah, you can do as you want, but: 1) If a log smashes your head to little pieces, a helmet could still save your life 2) The scenario doesnt fit you because you're employed by someone else, and you should ALWAYS follow their rules.

19th October 2009, 11:56 AM	#82
stirmantrees Mature tree Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: oviedo, fl Posts: 469	Re: me topping out walnut trees hes baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack. glad to have you back jim. just dont jump he definitely gets the threads jumpin eh therin. still missing him....

22nd October 2009, 02:22 PM	#83
stihlrockin200t Sappling Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: saginaw mi. Posts: 26	Re: me topping out walnut trees i was going to say something but i think ill sit back and a couple and watch. so how old are you and how old were you when you started climbing? any experience before that?

22nd October 2009, 02:29 PM	#84
stihlrockin200t Sappling Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: saginaw mi. Posts: 26	Re: me topping out walnut trees so what cities have you worked in michigan? anything up near me?

23rd November 2009, 06:42 AM	#87
Garry Brockley Bayside Tree Care Brisbane Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Brisbane Aus Posts: 1,649	Re: me topping out walnut trees Are you seriously telling us that in this day and age, with the information that is available at the press of a button, that you are so arrogant as to think that an accident wont happen to you because you allegedly have brains, if you used your brains you would see that injury rates have fallen greatly with the itroduction of ppe on work sites, brains wont protect you against an accident because they are just that an accident you wont see it coming and have time to think about it. wake up, stop being arrogant and stupid about ppe and join the rest of the world in making this industry more professional instead of tieing in the dark ages. __________________ My business:- Brisbane Bayside Tree Care

23rd November 2009, 06:58 AM	#88
stirmantrees Mature tree Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: oviedo, fl Posts: 469	Re: me topping out walnut trees i think hes a rec climber. cuz cutting while in the situations i am in day to day, you would be dead. i know a guy who uses ppe but can climb like a monkey if he so desires, but still has to use equipment to accomplish anything productive

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