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| Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane
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They go to a lot of trouble boxing them up.
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| Backflipper Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA
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What would be the post care involved with a huge tree like this and not end up like the $130,000.00 waste on the Live oak above Sean? | |
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| | #123 |
| Monument Status Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland
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Thats a good question....I don't know what happened in the case of the live oak, such a shame. I personally believe transplants are never a certainty, we remove around 95% of the absorbing root mass in almost every case..perhaps the Shanghai example is the exception, but even there it is very likely that fine roots were many 10's of meters from the final edge of the root ball. We are effectively creating containerised specimens, getting them into a stable state, then moving them carefully to their new location, then replanting them and trying to encourage the re-establishment of something approaching the previous root system. It is critical to spend sufficient time assessing the soil profile, chemistry and biology at the original site and the selected new site, to gain an appreciation of how the individual tree to be moved has adapted to its current environment, and how it might adapt in the new environment. There are a great many variables to consider, and few useful generalisations that you wont have already considered. The most successful transplanters I know have incorporated much of what has been learnt through decades of commercial forestry relating to the manipulation of soil chemistry and the last 10-15yrs of increasing insights into the soil food web regarding soil biology. At its most simple level transplanted trees require enormous attention after the move for more than 12 months to enable them to have access to and take up sufficient water through their dramatically truncated root system. There are some soil and root stimulants that can make all the difference to the time frames envolved but again many many variables. |
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| | #124 |
| Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: the netherlands
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Long time no posts. Here are some pics of a treemove our company did earlier this year. Sorry I forgot how to insert them in the reply. This tree gets 3 years post move careprogram ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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| | #125 |
| Backflipper Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA
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That is just fascinating stuff. A very honorable profession and likely a dieing art. There are many lessons to be learned and they are applicable to anyone planting balled trees as they are realistically just transplants but the planter is not the digger. making it an even more difficult proposition.
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| | #126 |
| Monument Status Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland
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Great pics Willem...if a little small! ![]() Never mind still great work |
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| | #127 |
| Mature Tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia.
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Anyone know the species of the tree in China? Interesting idea with the canopy scaffolding..... While it still would have lost plenty of roots they have managed to keep to about dripline by the look of it. A whole lot better than most of the very large transplants you see pics of. With good after care it could stand a fair chance. |
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| | #128 |
| Monument Status Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland
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I kept meaning to photograph this one and put it up here or on my own blog, here will do. A while back some of us were having a heated debate about transplanting larger trees and whether it was ok to basically move stumps....severely lopped canopies with greatly reduced root balls. Anyway these pics are NOT by way of flaming anyone or suggesting that they prove anything definatively, however they are what they are...pics of a medium/small delonix that was moved in the Varsity Lakes suburb of the Gold Coast some 10-12yrs ago. To my knowledge (it was before I lived down here) the tree was moved by an earth moving company not Arborists. I used to live in Varsity Lakes and passed this tree twice a day for 12 months, thought it looked okay and provided good amenity to the pocket park, I knew it had been moved (as you will see not really too hard to tell) Anyway today I was working in the area and driving back to the office as the sun went down thought I'd snap some pics and put them up....I would argue that this is the best one could expect from such relocations, I think the tree is declining, no doubt remediation could help and might enable another 20-30yrs of life. ![]() ![]() There has been root growth beyond the cut root ball but the light was not great....the roots have been hammered by mowers etc... The stem shows signs of decay and declining vigour...not sure of the stem was drilled, but there are idications of major bark tearing slings perhaps? The canopy regrowth is there and supports reasonable foliage during summer but it is well below 40% of the live volume you would expect ![]() ![]() Some of the regrowth seems to have declined and died in the last few months, maybe it will pick up again if we get rains... ![]() So my point is this....for me if someone has a business that offer tree relocations and they lop and chop the tree they move as standard practice fine so long as they are open and honest with their clients about just what it is they are offering them. As I have said above the tree is attractive when in flower, it does add significantly to the amenity of the streetscape....however would I expect to pay top dollar for such a relocation job? Should such a job be presented as best practice? Not in my opinion. Was it worth saving the tree, despite the damage inflicted and the reduction in its life span and its potential? I think it was definately worth saving....of course I have no idea how much was charged or who paid for it. |
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| | #130 |
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Interesting idea of a machine. But i'd suggest they're moving way bigger trees than the rootball it grabs. Perhaps its just an efficient way of doing complete tree removal, no stump grinder needed ![]() And right at the end they are transplanting a lopped tree ![]() Pehaps there is a place for it afterall |
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| | #131 |
| Former Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Gold Coast QLD
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I sometimes wonder about the logic behind transplanting some large trees - as opposed to spending a similar amount of money creating ideal conditions and maintaining trees from tubestock plantings. Sean, I believe that Albizia saman (or Samanea saman) and Delonix regia can be very fast growers if given the right treatment - do you think it would have been better to remove the two Albizia in Townsville and the Delonix on the Goldie and spend $30,000 on creating ideal conditions and maintenance for two new plantings? Would the 2 or 3 years without substantial trees be really that bad? Am I wrong in saying that the resultant trees would be more stable and reliable long term, and have a longer life? I see a lot of transplanting in my line of work (regulatory landscape architecture role - local government) (not huge trees, mainly 200L to some ex-ground) and I am beginning to think that anything above 100L is usually not worth it - (resulting in die-back and then poor form, or months/years of "stagnation"). From my experience, a trees ability to cope with transplant stress reduces dramatically as it ages. What are your thoughts? |
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| How we did it ... Mature tree relocation allows home extension - England - Log in to PlanningResource Quote:
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| Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: the netherlands
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Hello, First transplant of the season was early this year. Normally we start half october in Holland. These trees were transplanted at the end of august. Construction works started a week later on the site of the trees. We hire this machine in Germay a couple of times a year. The biggest transplantmachine in Europe. It picks up a rootball of 3 meters in diameter and 1,5 meters deep. The link takes you to a site for machine maniacs. Saves me the trouble of uploading the pics. Bouwmachine FORUM • Toon onderwerp - Verplaatsing bomen in America-Meerlo (gem. Horst a/d Maas) We also have to do some big ones this season (70 tons and more). So more pics will come. |
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| | #134 |
| Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: the netherlands
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It's 5 page's so don't stop after page 1. The guy with the white helmet and glasses that's me.
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| | #135 |
| Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: the netherlands
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Some more tranplants we did in march of this year.
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| | #136 |
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Pretty neat, like a big ice-cream scoop! It's a pretty small root ball for a tree that size, what species is the tree and how much preparation work is there? I see the machine grabbed some pipes.
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hahahaha I must admit I do like a good sexy upshot every now and then.... | |
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| | #138 |
| Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: the netherlands
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Eric, Your right these trees were at the absolute maximum for this machine. Normaly we have a rootball that's 8 x diameter stem. In this case the biggest tree was 40 cm x 8= 320 cm. The machine grabs 300cms The species is Querqus robur 'Koster", an oak species cultivated with a slender and upright treeshape. No time for preperation because of late planning (as usally). But right after the transplant we mulched them and injected the rootballs with water and a rootgrowth stimulant. They were also pruned for 20% of the branch volume to prevent to much evaporation. We damaged a powerline (these are underground in Holland) and cabeltv. |
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| | #139 |
| Mature Tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia.
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Do you use guy ropes/wires at all on a tree that size? Blow over in strong winds could be possible, especially with the rouned root ball acting like a ball joint, pivoting easier than a square flat root ball would??? Dman cool machine though! |
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| | #140 |
| Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: the netherlands
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Normally we use three wooden poles of 3 meters long. These are connected to the tree by straps made of carseatbelt material. The 3 poles are connected to each other with half wooden poles to keep the straps thight. In some cases we make the straps over the rootball and then tighten them by pushing the poles further in the ground. You are right. Blow over is a bigger danger with these round rootballs. In some case we use steel anchors connected to steel cables. The steel cables are connected to the three at about 2/3 of the tree's height. With trees of 25 tons and more we donn't use any anchors, because of the weight of the rootball the will keep upright. And we only garantee safty till beaufort 9. |
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Are there treatments, sprays (anti-transpirants) etc that can reduce transpiration or stomata opening rather than making wounds and removing the leaves that make sugars? Summer Tree Transplants - The Big Trees Blog
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| Bayside Tree Care Brisbane Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Brisbane Aus
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It would be interesting to see the success and failure rates with and without the anti-transpirants. I was taught to feed the shrub/tree for a month leading up to removal and transplanting as this gives the plant a larger food store to use and aids faster recovery, I always wondered if covering the plant (small shrubs only) would have the effect this anti transpiration spray has, say if you kept all the light out for three days before, then once the plant was in position water/feed then remove the cover. mmmm i see a transplant coming on i have a couple of limes in the back garden might start with a couple of them.
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| | #143 |
| Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: the netherlands
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Eric, I'm not familiar with the sprays etc. but I'm interested to learn more about it. I look in to it and try to get some more info. ![]() Pruning trees is standard procedure with us when preforming a transplant. We also wrap the trunk to prevent evaporation and sunburn |
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| | #144 | |
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With palm transplants there's info here that shows pruning the leaves off as a myth:- Palm Transplanting| Phoenix canariensis| Canary Island Date Palm in Brisbane dead? We also had some discussion here with trees:- Heavy pruning prior to transplanting| transplanting stumps| Advanced Tree Transplant But I feel we need a new thread on anti-transpirants so I have started it.
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| | #145 |
| Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: the netherlands
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Here some pictures of a job we did this week. Transplanting 10 Querqus palustris. Weighing 13 / 20 tons. The crane is a 220-tons crane. Trransplanting distance was to big for one swing. So we had to swing them in two lenghts and moving the crane in between. The rootball's were made a year ago. Fun job, nasty weather ![]() Pic's taken with my phone so qualty isn't so good ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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| | #146 |
| Bayside Tree Care Brisbane Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Brisbane Aus
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That is pretty awsome willem
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| | #147 |
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Very nice, I swiped the smilie too.
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| | #148 |
| Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: the netherlands
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Here som pic's of a job we did the week before Christmas. Transplanting a big Juglans regia. It weighed 38 tons. Rootball 5x5 metres and 0,6 metre thick. We prepared it in two steps over a period of 2 years. The job itself took three days. Two day preporation, one day lifting and planting. The crane we used was a 500-tons crane ![]() ![]() All the best for 2011 form the Netherlands to all hard working arborist on this forum |
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| | #149 |
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Great job! Didn't have to move it far?
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| | #150 |
| Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: the netherlands
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The distance was 55 m, and we put it 0,5 m higher. The tree was moved for a building project. Now it will be incorparated in the backyard for the appertmentcomplex they want to build.
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