K & M Tree Service

B3h3m1th

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playfordtree

Nice "old school" climbing set up.
No bells and whistles there.
Have you only just started out?

I can't wait to see some of the replies from the old farts on this forum.
"I used to use a set up just like that back in 1897"


Keep the photos coming K & M.
(see if you can work out how to embed your photos, saves time and more people see your pics)

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B3h3m1th

hey thnx bro sry im not really computer literate so have no clue how 2 do tht. um yah we r a newer business been working for his dads business for awhile cuz his brothers or owners o' their business r 2 lazy 2 get up in the morning so his dad sub contracts 2 us. yah we r old school i suppose just me n my boss kenny thts r crew n thts all we need so no 1 gets in the way i suppose. its winter here so business is slow n we r still tryn 2 get r name out there. but long as his brothers keep sleepin ken n i will keep doing thier work n taking their jobs sry thts a horrible thing 2 say. my boss is a fourth genration arborist been doing it all his life n he' been my best friend since high school so its like family but theres a fine line between family n busines ya'll can relate im sure. plz help me out neway ya'll can ty ty

treevet

Looks like an old Stink Tree (Ailanthus) you boys are beatin" up on? Maybe want to put on a little PPE or your fixin to take a trip thru the meat grinder on this forum my friend.

You asked for a little help.

B3h3m1th

?'s PPE? sry have no clue what u said!

treevet

PPE....Personal protection equipment. Brain bucket, safety glasses. Some will scrutinize every photo for this and technique.

B3h3m1th

oh lol sry bro we r from pottsville penslyvania coal crackers my friend we should b more careful but tht stuff cost money n as a ground man i want nothing more fro my boss than his safety soon as we start raking in the $$$$ i will definatly take ur advice n ty for ur recomendation. we use stihl n only stihl n their head gear is sweet. so will get some pics o' us being safer so we can b around longer. ty

Eric Frei

Behemoth,

Thanks for sharing and your pics.

Please, just some polite help for you. Pic sizes, some were like 600kb and 2700 pixels wide, please resize so people on slow connections can see them. I reckon 100kb tops and 800px wide is plenty.

On the job front, helmet and even in simple moves up there tie in mate.

Cheers
Eric

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quercus

Nice pics mate...You 're really pounding the ground there... Now here comes the pounding on you....

Wish list for christmas:

1 Climbing helmet with visor; ear protection or glasses
1 pair of chainsaw protective pants
1 pair of protective boots
1 chainsaw protective vest (when operating the big saws on the ground)
1 sweater with a snug and tight fit instead of that large and loose gangster type sweater...

You'll probably think: OH hell... but you'll live longer when you follow our advice...

B3h3m1th

hey i appreci8 all the advice ya'll r giving me. im still new 2 the picture thing n dont really know how 2 resize. i will remove them cuz o' the size issue n safety issues ever present in r photos giving r company a bad rep so ty for all the help guys n hopefully ill get the picture sizes rite n have some new 1's for ya's soon.

TREE-SURFER

Good job though Q, you'd have to admit. Some days, I don't bother with a bump cap and visor, but use ear plugs and Safety Glasses.

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jim1nz

Hey bro, yo putting on safety equipment for an arborist is like putting on your pants in the morning before you walk out the door you know what i mean. You always do it and that one time ya dont, youll get a wack in the head or a poke in the eye.

Go get some professional training too mate, best thing i ever did was to study, na seriously! Cheers

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Juno

[QUOTE=B3h3m1th;23743]oh lol sry bro we r from pottsville penslyvania coal crackers my friend we should b more careful but tht stuff cost money n as a ground man i want nothing more fro my boss than his safety soon as we start raking in the $$$$



Yes safety equipment is very expenisive you are right about that.
But can you buy parts for your body over there??

I Bought my own equipment to en that was a lot of money. But remember if you do the job right you will urn it back fast. Be safe

newguy18

Was i the only one who noticed the lack of hinge when felling the poles?

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K&M Tree Service

Just for everyones information the photos that were posted of kenny and of k&M tree service were posted without any knowledge of the owners.....the person who posted these is mad because they couldnt buy my bussiness partner/ wife's half of the business...and the person who posted them will be prosocuted....we have been in this business for years and were taught by one of the best arborist around...therefore some of you people live in a different country and were taught differently....we do it old school....and if you dont like it please keep your comments to yourself.....for all you idiots who wear ear protection how is your ground crew suppose to let you know when they see something you dont...i.e. guy in the tree cannot see around the tree and you go to cut and your safety line is there....now would u rather cut your safety line or not wear ear protection and hear your ground man yellin at you? You also dont need a brain bucket if u know what your doin.....

Sean Freeman

Thanks for posting K&M, great to hear that you feel you are following best practices.....great but somewhat confusing?????

I'll be sure to pass that onto the OH&S committees since they are obviously wasting their time and everyones money...what a relief that you were able to come on and clear that one up..

(They would be the climbers who care to adhere to the safety legislation.....and the climbers who want to keep their hearing for life...or MAYBE I SHOULD SHOUT FOR YOU)

Well if you actually ever tried wearing hearing protection you would know you can hear sound over the chainsaw and the chipper when it is of a distinctly different range/pitch...but hey you guys obviously don't need all that since you're soooo safe eh????

Yep and that is evidence of what exactly?????? I hear this from every crap fly by night tree company that gets pulled up for unsafe practices......."but we've been doing it like this for years nobody got hurt till now..."

Good luck with that line in court buddy...........

Nope sorry, won't be doing that free country, free speech.............people celebrate ANZAC day tomorrow here in OZ and just some of that has a tiny bit to do with the freedoms we cherish mate.....don't like criticsm...well don't carry on unsafe work practices then eh.

BTW if you are thinking of taking someone to court I'd have an expensive legal chap (they'll be wearing a suit and tie and have their hearing intact) look over this site the pics and this thread first...cause if I were the one you wanted to prosecute in court I have your business shut down double quicktime, there's thankfully nowhere in the developed world where unsafe work practices like the ones you've advocated in your post, are legal.

But hey what would any of us know.......

newguy18

TROLL ALERT.
Get em boys.

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Eric Frei

Hey, we aint all choir boys here either but jeez mate, lighten up K&M.

Anyone in the street could have stood there and taken pictures or even video and posted it up, anyone.

You know I actually drive around with a pic camera and a video camera all the time?

Best part here is the tree was a take down not a prune job, it's the poor ole hacked trees I feel sorry for more. So you did a few safety things, you can fix that easy, not that big a deal really.

But you have chosen to dig in and argue, there's no real argument on things like helmets and hearing protection. You can argue about things like riding the hook on a crane or types of knots and ropes and stuff but really, we're just looking out for you.

See, try to help some-one out and what do you get, a fight.

Just chill out mate and a bloke like you can get some real good stuff out of this place. If you think your pics are bad you should see what some idiots put on YouTube.

Also, you can buy a Fox40 whistle over there for like $10, loudest whistle in the world, works even if you spit in it!

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K&M Tree Service

First off we know who posted the pics...they admitted it....second off everyone is taught differently...also we are not a fly by night bussiness....we are fully insured so in the event anything does happen not sayin it will its covered....and if nobody likes they way we do it then get over yourself.....obvisouly nobody on the site has nuthin better to do with their life the critize other ppl....and i dare u to try and shut me done....u ppl have know idea who ur ????in with.....and if i wanted advice i wulda aske for it...

K&M Tree Service

also i would like you to come to PA....you will not see one tree service company here wear helmets or ear plugs......even really big companies...like Lewis and Jaflo.....is just the way its done here......and we do use safety....we use safety harnesses and a safety rope....everyone has their own way of doing stuff....some ppl are more safety concerned then others....like i said before we been this way for over 10yrs...and never had any injuries or damage to property.....so for now the way we do it works for us...and if u dont like the PA way then too bad

becks

congrats, no damage. i´ve seen better equipped guys causing more damage. but if you´re getting more seriously into the biz, man, protect yourself. there´s heaps of climbing gear out there.
it´s well invested bucks.
if your prices are pompatetive to pro companies, you´ll be able to get yourself some stuff...
good luck anyway

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Therrin

Yeah, noone wears helmets, and that sure makes it okay! What a load...

So being insured keeps people from being fly-by-nighters huh? Why is it then that any tree butcher can go get insurance easily, and they don't even have to speak english to get it here in the USA. Does that mean that *they* are "professional" operators too? Just because they have insurance?

Ya guys seem to back up your errors with excuses that other people do it too and so it's gotta be okay.

Ya know being "old skool" is kinda hip sounding isn't it? Really something to brag about yeah? I'm thinking that if you stepped up to the plate and tried being "new school" ya might find it easier, more comfy, safer, and afford you more options.... but as long as you've got your defenses up because you don't like being told that you're methods are outdated and that there are new ways of doing things, well, then it's really just your loss.

The fact that you won't be able to hear without a hearing aid in another decade or so is also pretty sad.

Everyone can do things as they please, but I'm glad that I don't insist on being wrong all the time.

I'm cool without going to PA... I hear there's alot of crazy folk out that way.

Ace Master

whats the go with pic 7 thenHas he just started climbing? free climbing.

kennydangerous008-1.jpg

Its a dangerous job already, and i wouldnt want to tell his wife/kids/parents that he will not be coming home ever again.We are only looking out for the tree brothers, some day you might thank us for that.....

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B3h3m1th

blah blah blah my camera my photos!!!!!!!! n ur business card thts so great......mine too ha ha ha

K&M Tree Service

yea and they were posted with out knowledge of K & M Tree Service Your the ????in cock sucker who started this shit........do me a favor and go back to sweepin and moppin some floors cuz thats all u have any knowledge of....cuz when ur served papers from my lawyer u wont be laughin then I'm Sry u couldnt buy my wife out....but common would u really want to be part of K & M its family owned and operated whether u like it or not......

K&M Tree Service

If you ppl dont like the way we do things then thats fine with us....but everyone can always be "a lil safer" so when u critizie someone look at the things u do urself.....its our choice on how we run our bussiness.....

newguy18

Just out of curiousity[and risking getting yelled at by you] what are you sueing him for?he hasn't done anything illegal.

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Eric Frei

Well, if he's suing him for taking photos and posting them here and having a chat then that says a lot for USA freedom of speech and expression.

I doubt it's that, it's something else. He's just using this as another thing to beat Behemoth up with I think.

Behemoth, anyone can sue anytime ... but lots get thrown out, dont even make 1st base. I'd like to see him explaining to a judge how he sued a worker for putting pictures of unsafe practices onto an arborist forum and seeking advice ... yeah, that'll make K & M look real big.

Then print this thread out and show the judge the threats and bullying and attitude from Mr K&M.

Also, as you are being abused go to WC and make a stress claim, it's valid.

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treevet

I think it is the same person posting in both names. Same dialogue/dialect.

What is the huge empire we know as K&M? It appears to me it is a flat bed with compressed board sides, set of climbing gear and an 020 and an 044?

TreeDimensional

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