"Isle of Man Tree Surgery Club"

TREE-SURFER · 15th March 2007, 07:19 AM

Took these photo's today after a crew I was watching from my mates house, had finished.

Quite comical to watch but couldn't get too close and make myself known that I was watching. The guy on the saw was clinging on for dear life onto his life line and branches alike when sawing instead of sitting back in the saddle. No flipline either. I was wetting my self. The shrubbery below the trees (about 18 feet) were subject to impact abuse from having branches etc., dropped on them and has been left with scars and were trampled by the groundies. This crew is supposed to be QUALIFIED.
Look at the pix and let me know what you think of the job guys'.

yooper · 15th March 2007, 08:21 AM

I'm figuring that would be the finish product of the infamous Osama Ben Loggen! He sure gets around eh!

Ekka · 15th March 2007, 01:01 PM

See, now that is just blatant ignorance and those cowboys should be prosecuted.

I would go and visit the customer and have a very friendly chat.

I'd subtly ask if they were happy about the tree work and got what they requested.

If they got exactly what they wanted (customer asked for topping) I would then ask them if the tree company tried to talk them out of it.

I would then find out who the company was, if they're a member of an arb organisation and dob them in, I would also leave literature with the customer as to the damage done and an offer to assist in either the prosecution or witness to civil damages case. What pruning standards does the area have? Same as UK?

For example, the whole of Australia has AS4373, so no matter where that's the angle of attack for crap like that here.

Damned cowboys!

TREE-SURFER · 15th March 2007, 02:03 PM

This was a job they done on Tuesday this week. Another guy was taking pictures of this job when I seen them working. I wonder what he is going to do with them?
Check em out, they're great........

The fine on summary conviction for mal-practiced work on trees on the Island is 20'000 - 25'000 pounds sterling should the tree be deemed F***ed Up Beyond All Recognition (FUBAR). British Standards 3998 - 1989 does not cover work of the standards shown here. I know who the company is and in the past, the owner now at the ripe old age of 20, threatened my then pregnant (8mths gone)wife with violence... nice boy.
Oh! and I know the customer too, he lives next to my mate.
Any way....more pix of the same crews work.

Ekka · 15th March 2007, 03:50 PM

Flamin mate!

Dob that wanker in quick smart.

JayD · 15th March 2007, 04:17 PM

Hi All,
Firstly any one that threatens a pregnant women has no place in this Industry we work in peoples private space,and this NEEDS TO BE RESPECTED,all competive aggresion stops at the quote,$$ to who gets the job,so for the very fact they threatened your wife they need to be dealt with harshly by the authorities,regarding the quality of the Hack job well the picture speaks for it's self,they say a pictures worth 10.000 words...me I think if you do a job you do it to the letter no short cuts unless they safely acheive the same result, IE:compliance to the minimum apropriate standard after all this is what most of us are trained to complete our work to,to me also it appears that no thought,preplaning went into this for the want of a better word..job..and if I was asociated with it would be ashamed as we promote proper techniques and inform our customers of many options to tackle the job before we take the job on,this generally starts when you are quoteing and getting the feel what the customer wants,eg:TD,corrective prune,vine removal,ETC,etc.The fact you say they are qualified makes the whole picture to this job repugnent...and they need there qual's burnt in front of them,having said all this you come across this scenario in NSW as well in paticular as small coastal town called Forster,there's quite a few butchered trees there.and in places where they must have been council approved..go figure ?? long story short I dont like seeing Tree's butchered.

TREE-SURFER · 16th March 2007, 01:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JayD

The fact you say they are qualified makes the whole picture to this job repugnent...and they need there qual's burnt in front of them

This bloke has an advert on the local radio, "The best tree surgeons on the Island. All our staff are fully qualified."
Small Island (32miles long and 13 wide) every 1 knows every 1)) we know who is groundies are and they're not qualied. But the customer generally doesn't ask for the paper work because they are not wise to the facts. Something I am trying to remedy, at cost to me, with a small booklet entitled "living with trees", to be given out for joe public, to read and be wise.

Funny thing is, no-one else has to put an ad on the radio for work and boast they're experience, which by all accounts, is all you need by Health and Safety Executive on the Island to be qualified. Great isn't it.........until something goes wrong.

Ekka · 16th March 2007, 01:52 AM

Give the radio station a call and inform them of the false advertising, ask for a copy of the ad, offer to pay for it as you need to give it to the relevant authorities who are pursuing the false advertising claim.

In other words, where-ever this guy goes his cage be rattling, with some luck he might piss off from the island.

Also, approach a journalist from a local paper etc and ask for an article to be done on malpractice pruning, warn the home-owners of the shoddy work.

I have a stack of successful outcomes against shonks, all you have to do is be honest and truthful and play by the rules.

TREE-SURFER · 16th March 2007, 01:41 PM

Ekka, I never thought of that, going to the newspapers, great idea.
I was driving back from that Macro job today and saw these. Nearly caused a pile up when I stopped to take a look. Unfortunately, didn't see the crew that done it. God! this peeves me off.....

Ekka · 16th March 2007, 01:49 PM

Pull up and knock on the door.

Talk to the owner and find out who did it, it's a hard juggling act between telling them what you know vs playing ignorant and pretending you want the same done and need to know who the company was to get them.

Also, neighbours might help if the home-owner clams up.

JayD · 16th March 2007, 04:42 PM

Tree Surfer,
Who ever did this needs to be taken out of the picture,but be carefull! They have already proved that they will be thysicaly dangerous and even told you who they would target..your family..those trees pictured,we would only do this for a TD.becareful..inform the authorities,watch your back.
Good Luck
JayD

TrevMcRev · 16th March 2007, 09:42 PM

Really. Bad. Work.

NOT

This is environmental vanderlism. Whats worrying is that the guys doing it arent just a one man band doing the odd tree. If theyre a big operation doing this day in day out all over your area it wont be long before every 2nd tree looks like this.

When sheisters do a bad lop job here they tend to go a lot lower making just a few bigger cuts. Its kinda funny that to do this this high up in the crown to many more minor branches actually still would take a bit of effort. If they actually knew what a correct cut was it wouldnt be all that much harder to get a bit further out/up and do it right.

TREE-SURFER · 18th March 2007, 10:32 AM

I have found the perfect weapon to help fight against these varmoths.
not only does it self destruct, but you can use it for fire wood.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOK6zrhWaOM

I Wish!!!!

JayD · 18th March 2007, 01:47 PM

Problem is you use a home made wooden cannon and those cheatin buggers would whip a out AK47..LOL.
Just quietly I would have stood back a lot further than then bloke in the clip,and he ducked aswell as if that would have saved him that close.

Mike Poor · 20th March 2007, 07:35 PM

Hey tree surfer, a friend of mine just drops anonymous letters stating all the downfalls of topping/hacking. Also keep those photos and photos of proper pruning so if you ever bid against him you can give the customer the visual effect and explain the advantages of spending a little more! There seems to be a dozen of these self proclaimed "qualified" dorks in every town. Ekka is right that co. should be prosecuted!!!

15th March 2007, 01:01 PM	#3 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,606	See, now that is just blatant ignorance and those cowboys should be prosecuted. I would go and visit the customer and have a very friendly chat. I'd subtly ask if they were happy about the tree work and got what they requested. If they got exactly what they wanted (customer asked for topping) I would then ask them if the tree company tried to talk them out of it. I would then find out who the company was, if they're a member of an arb organisation and dob them in, I would also leave literature with the customer as to the damage done and an offer to assist in either the prosecution or witness to civil damages case. What pruning standards does the area have? Same as UK? For example, the whole of Australia has AS4373, so no matter where that's the angle of attack for crap like that here. Damned cowboys! __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

15th March 2007, 03:50 PM	#5 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,606	Flamin mate! Dob that wanker in quick smart. __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

15th March 2007, 04:17 PM	#6 (permalink)
JayD Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Sydney Posts: 888	Tree Butchery Hi All, Firstly any one that threatens a pregnant women has no place in this Industry we work in peoples private space,and this NEEDS TO BE RESPECTED,all competive aggresion stops at the quote,$$ to who gets the job,so for the very fact they threatened your wife they need to be dealt with harshly by the authorities,regarding the quality of the Hack job well the picture speaks for it's self,they say a pictures worth 10.000 words...me I think if you do a job you do it to the letter no short cuts unless they safely acheive the same result, IE:compliance to the minimum apropriate standard after all this is what most of us are trained to complete our work to,to me also it appears that no thought,preplaning went into this for the want of a better word..job..and if I was asociated with it would be ashamed as we promote proper techniques and inform our customers of many options to tackle the job before we take the job on,this generally starts when you are quoteing and getting the feel what the customer wants,eg:TD,corrective prune,vine removal,ETC,etc.The fact you say they are qualified makes the whole picture to this job repugnent...and they need there qual's burnt in front of them,having said all this you come across this scenario in NSW as well in paticular as small coastal town called Forster,there's quite a few butchered trees there.and in places where they must have been council approved..go figure ?? long story short I dont like seeing Tree's butchered.

16th March 2007, 01:52 AM	#8 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,606	Give the radio station a call and inform them of the false advertising, ask for a copy of the ad, offer to pay for it as you need to give it to the relevant authorities who are pursuing the false advertising claim. In other words, where-ever this guy goes his cage be rattling, with some luck he might piss off from the island. Also, approach a journalist from a local paper etc and ask for an article to be done on malpractice pruning, warn the home-owners of the shoddy work. I have a stack of successful outcomes against shonks, all you have to do is be honest and truthful and play by the rules. __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

16th March 2007, 01:49 PM	#10 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,606	Pull up and knock on the door. Talk to the owner and find out who did it, it's a hard juggling act between telling them what you know vs playing ignorant and pretending you want the same done and need to know who the company was to get them. Also, neighbours might help if the home-owner clams up. __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

15th March 2007, 08:21 AM	#2 (permalink)
yooper Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Upper Michigan U.S.A. Posts: 73	I'm figuring that would be the finish product of the infamous Osama Ben Loggen! He sure gets around eh!

16th March 2007, 04:42 PM	#11 (permalink)
JayD Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Sydney Posts: 888	Shonky work Tree Surfer, Who ever did this needs to be taken out of the picture,but be carefull! They have already proved that they will be thysicaly dangerous and even told you who they would target..your family..those trees pictured,we would only do this for a TD.becareful..inform the authorities,watch your back. Good Luck JayD

16th March 2007, 09:42 PM	#12 (permalink)
TrevMcRev Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. Posts: 732	Really. Bad. Work. NOT This is environmental vanderlism. Whats worrying is that the guys doing it arent just a one man band doing the odd tree. If theyre a big operation doing this day in day out all over your area it wont be long before every 2nd tree looks like this. When sheisters do a bad lop job here they tend to go a lot lower making just a few bigger cuts. Its kinda funny that to do this this high up in the crown to many more minor branches actually still would take a bit of effort. If they actually knew what a correct cut was it wouldnt be all that much harder to get a bit further out/up and do it right. __________________ Melbourne Arborist, Total Tree Care, Pruning, Tree and Stump Removal

18th March 2007, 10:32 AM	#13 (permalink)
TREE-SURFER Mature tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Isle of Man,UK. Posts: 407	The Perfect weapon I have found the perfect weapon to help fight against these varmoths. not only does it self destruct, but you can use it for fire wood. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOK6zrhWaOM I Wish!!!! __________________ The Aerial Arborist Isle of Man Tree Surgeon\| All Aspects of Tree Work Andy@Aerial-Arborist.co.uk What experts say about TOPPING

18th March 2007, 01:47 PM	#14 (permalink)
JayD Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Sydney Posts: 888	Fighting Back Problem is you use a home made wooden cannon and those cheatin buggers would whip a out AK47..LOL. Just quietly I would have stood back a lot further than then bloke in the clip,and he ducked aswell as if that would have saved him that close.

20th March 2007, 07:35 PM	#15 (permalink)
Mike Poor Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Urbana, IL,usa Posts: 76	Hey tree surfer, a friend of mine just drops anonymous letters stating all the downfalls of topping/hacking. Also keep those photos and photos of proper pruning so if you ever bid against him you can give the customer the visual effect and explain the advantages of spending a little more! There seems to be a dozen of these self proclaimed "qualified" dorks in every town. Ekka is right that co. should be prosecuted!!!