"Isle of Man Tree Surgery Club"

treefeller · 24th September 2007, 08:05 AM

shoddy work, Their is no thought to what this man is doing when hes working. I would track him down and give him a pasting but then that would be me in trouble. You should name and shame him in the local rag.

Roller · 11th November 2007, 01:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by treefeller

shoddy work, Their is no thought to what this man is doing when hes working. I would track him down and give him a pasting but then that would be me in trouble. You should name and shame him in the local rag.

Haha we think alike.............

TREE-SURFER · 8th December 2007, 08:56 PM

Now, do you remember I posted some pictures a while back (#1 permalink)

Just a few months down the line and just look at the epicormics growing from them now.

I will update these pictures again around about spring time, March.
I have to look at these every time I go visit my mate, usually once a week maybe 3 times.

These are registered trees FCS.

Ekka · 9th December 2007, 09:16 AM

The toppers here reckons that's good.

It'll bush up real nice luv.

Just dumbo's, and I tell you that the number of tree loppers who bullshit their qualifications and knowledge is incredible. They're all arborists now, now that they found that word exists.

You have some advantages Andy, you have regs, you have a contained island to corner these fools and a captive market. Exploit it as best you can, inform and educate clients, expose the hacks and get them busted.

TREE-SURFER · 11th December 2007, 08:47 AM

I was driving to my wife's friends place today and saw these two Cherry's.

Fuming, I didn't realise, that right across the road was a street sign. I thought the wife was extracting the urine and so stopped to look and took a couple of shots.

treefeller · 11th December 2007, 09:28 AM

appropriatly named i think

TrevMcRev · 11th December 2007, 06:56 PM

Hack It Close

"Sorry, i was just doin what the sign said"

Ekka · 11th December 2007, 07:53 PM

How Ironic, that should be published in some arb journal over there.

Send it to Jeremy Barrell Barrell : Tree Consultancy he'll love it!

JayD · 11th December 2007, 09:09 PM

It's certainly a world wide pandemiic, The powers that be needs to pull their collective heads out of the hole in ground and start taking action.

TREE-SURFER · 12th December 2007, 03:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrevMcRev

Hack It Close

"Sorry, i was just doin what the sign said"

I couldn't believe my eyes, totally ironic,

Like

Maybe the council should rename that street in LA, (500+ trees destroyed) Topping Lane, or, Long View Street or something like it.

TREE-SURFER · 14th December 2007, 03:19 AM

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Nightmare on Elm Tree

It was mentioned to me about an Elm, that had apparently by accident, had its roots cut by a digger.
I was shown a photograph of a photograph and was mortified.

I went digging, (on the WWW), and came across this article..
Noble's Park elm tree may have to be felled - Isle of Man Today

My questions are these:
How were they cut through accidentally, was the tree not big enough to see?

Where were the barriers to conform to BS5837:2005? (copy of which on request).

Did the excavator driver, have in place, a current CITB certificate?;if so, why did he not know about being so close to a tree, that it would certainly damage it.......

Who told him to dig there (Site foreman/Architect), or did he just take it upon himself?

Why was an air spade not used, they are commonly known about in the Arb world, to lay services within the root structure of a tree.

These sort of questions need to be implemented and answered, Publicly.

Ekka · 14th December 2007, 07:20 AM

You dont just go digging and ripping out bucket load of soil and roots one after the other in succession till a uniform trench is made ...

... BY ACCIDENT

Quote:

A trench has been cut through half the root structure of the elm ? one of the park's oldest and largest trees.

Quote:

David Christian, leader of Douglas Council said: 'We take this very seriously. It was a genuine accident by one of the excavators working on the site. The site is quite contained so they have done well until now.'

So it appears the council has already conceded defeat and "oh well, they done well over all"

And the company that did it do their normal whitewash ...

Quote:

'We certainly try wherever we can to avoid damaging trees. We have an arborist whose main job is to preserve the trees.'

TREE-SURFER · 20th December 2007, 05:09 AM

... BY ACCIDENT

Having spoken with Mr Bott, he was rather defensive about his own contribution to the fact. I then spoke with the architect for that Job, a Mr Atkin, from the Douglas Corporation. He tells me that a line was drawn on the plan close to the tree, which he says should have been about two metres from the trunk. He told me that Electricity, water and gas were to be the services in this trench, but there was no stipulation as to how the trench was made. As far as I can tell, there was no Arborists report made on this tree, as it was not directly in the construction zone and as far as I can also tell, there was not a report for the rest of the site. I asked Mr Atkin, whether or not BS5837:2005 had been implemented and his reply was, "what is that exactly?". Obviously, from the reply, he didn't have a clue nor did he know what was required from BS5837:2005 and that being that all trees to be retained on site are to be fenced off in such a manner as to protect the tree within the Root Protection Zone.

Mr Atkin noted to me, that when on site and to attend a site meeting, that he noticed what had been done.
He commented, that "if this thing was to arise again, we would definitely use an Air Spade (which I had to tell him about any way.) ".

Now, a person who will remain nameless, tells me that, the trench was to run well away from the tree and well away from the drip line. This would have placed the trench either in the road, or to the rear of the tree on the public playing fields. Now without seeing the plans or at least, being able to get a copy of that area, I can only go off what I have been told. The 'Mini digger Driver' who was sub-contracted to do the job, I have been led to believe, does not hold a current CITB certificate to operate a digger on construction sites.
This all adds up, in my eyes, as a total dis-regard, to the health of the tree and that clearly, it was just in the way.

Requests for paperwork on the matter ie:site` plans and Arb reports, were declined on the basis of 'What has it got to do with you?'
At present, I am one voice, speaking for many.

Really, some body or person should have been in Court for this and fined severely for it. The maximum being ?20,000 (GBP), Calling it an accident, is in my eyes, down right ignorance.

BS5837:2005 is a guide-line only and is not enforceable by Law. This is quite a loop-hole for all construction sites that involve trees, if they all appear to be having accidents..................

Ekka · 20th December 2007, 09:03 AM

Great detective work, you should approach the local paper and ask them to investigate and print it.

I believe exposure of such cases brings attention to both the enforcement people and developers.

Now behind the scenes the two of those groups actually can be greasing each other, hence the accidents.

azrael · 20th December 2007, 04:06 PM

As I read this case...it had all the undertones of a site I was called to in the Sthn Tablelands,NSW, Aust. The circumstances were that a new line of trenching for drainage had been excavated past some trees...which NOW needed to be assessed.
The trenching line was already made...but... not in the location indicated on the approved plans (at the road shouder). Due to the proximity of an Optic Fibre Cable, the decision by the construction company therefore was was to move the trench.
So the excavation was moved a few metres over, which then brought the trench directly through the trees on the roadside reserve. (In this case, there were were EiGHT out of thirteen trees affected).
An Arborist can do little to nothing when there is extraordinary root-plate destruction.
Early , pre-emptive consultation could have provided all the advice to ensure these trees were respected. Even with the trench in the same location, this could have been resolved satisfactorily (Prehaps part trenching-part hand digging or under-boring, or water-blasting..MANY choices). That's pretty narrow and flexible pipe that's being laid.
I painted large tree numbers....I wondered later....if it maybe raised the attention/curiosity of roadway users,,,, though that was not my intent.
The tree involved were:
3 x Eucalyptus macarthurii (Camden Woollybutt/Paddy River Box)
5 x Eucalyptus radiata (Narrow Leaf Peppermint) and
3 x Eucalyptus mannifera ssp mannifera (Brittle Gum)
For those unfamiliar with this region and the vegetation..."This Eucalypt association is characteristic of the endangered ?Southern Highlands Shale Woodlands Community?. This vegetation type is known to have been extensively cleared for agriculture and rural development (NSW Scientific Committee-2005, D.E.C., Sydney). There are scattered individual remnant specimens dotted over this precinct, but the representation of this community, in an undisturbed state, is mostly restricted to un-cleared roadside verges.
Although Eucalyptus radiata and Eucalyptus mannifera ssp mannifera are widespread and abundant in their typical habitats (PlantNET, R.N.B.G.), Eucalyptus macarthurii is listed as a vulnerable species- ROTAP 2RCi (NSW Scientific Committee-2005, D.E.C., Sydney)." From Authors Arborist Report Aug.2006.
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Ekka · 20th December 2007, 05:05 PM

Looks like nice soil you have there.

She'll be right, they can compact it when they back fill it!

And besides, every knows they have a tap root that goes down miles.

TREE-SURFER · 28th January 2008, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by TREE-SURFER

FROM FIRST POST ON THIS THREAD:
Took these photo's today after a crew I was watching from my mates house, had finished.

Quite comical to watch but couldn't get too close and make myself known that I was watching. The guy on the saw was clinging on for dear life onto his life line and branches alike when sawing instead of sitting back in the saddle. No flipline either. I was wetting my self. The shrubbery below the trees (about 18 feet) were subject to impact abuse from having branches etc., dropped on them and has been left with scars and were trampled by the groundies. This crew is supposed to be QUALIFIED.
Look at the pix and let me know what you think of the job guys'.

Now, I am at present, doing 2 TD's for my mate, next door to these erm....trees,

When the next door neighbour appears and asked if I could sort them out.
I told him to get a felling licence........Then I might consider it.

Oldtimer · 29th January 2008, 06:46 AM

... BY ACCIDENT
So the guys operating the trencher machine could not see a 150-years old tree right next to his machine! ..... I wonder if he was paying attention to the high pressure gas line going by there too!

Sometimes I wonder where these blockheads got their Heavy Equipment Operator License. An idiot like that using a deep trencher run into a large gas line next to Highway in Venezuela and the explosion incinerated 90 people on the highway. It took more than a month to figure out where the trencher machine had landed afterwards.

TREE-SURFER · 6th February 2008, 12:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oldtimer

... BY ACCIDENT
So the guys operating the trencher machine could not see a 150-years old tree right next to his machine! ..... I wonder if he was paying attention to the high pressure gas line going by there too!

Sometimes I wonder where these blockheads got their Heavy Equipment Operator License. An idiot like that using a deep trencher run into a large gas line next to Highway in Venezuela and the explosion incinerated 90 people on the highway. It took more than a month to figure out where the trencher machine had landed afterwards.

My point exactly, must be a corn flakes box give away.

crucificio · 25th February 2008, 08:02 AM

I can 100% vouch for Andys annoyance

at the disgraceful work done by this cowboy and his supposed qualified employees(all exprison inmates). I also get annoyed when the "HEAD" of forestry comes along and tells me "just pollard those trees" when this is not what is required. I refuse to pollard any trees as I have seen too much damage done by other "tree folk".

. The only trees I try not to touch are pine as the sap damages the blades too much and its bloody heavy too. I just turned a very large (135ft) beech into smaller chunks only last friday. it had come down in last years storms and was balanced over a 25ft drop. It would have been amusing too have seen my balancing acts with three different stihl chainsaws and the slow creeking of the tree as she was getting operated on. The people were impressed by the speed of the job.

.

TREE-SURFER · 26th February 2008, 10:08 AM

Hey Crucificio, got any pictures of that one, sounds like it was a big job. Where about was that? Must have been pretty much exposed to the elements.

crucificio · 27th February 2008, 09:45 AM

That there big tree was up Injebreck, you can see part of what remains if you stop at the corner by cattlegrid and look out along track you will see part of it just on the top side. Will try get some photos of the remains of it. T

24th September 2007, 08:05 AM	#31
treefeller Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: aaa Posts: 243	Re: "Isle of Man Tree Surgery Club" shoddy work, Their is no thought to what this man is doing when hes working. I would track him down and give him a pasting but then that would be me in trouble. You should name and shame him in the local rag. __________________ TreeZines Free Article and Deep Link Directory

9th December 2007, 09:16 AM	#34
Ekka Admin - Dip Arb & Hort & Seldom Wrong Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 9,775	Re: "Isle of Man Tree Surgery Club" The toppers here reckons that's good. It'll bush up real nice luv. Just dumbo's, and I tell you that the number of tree loppers who bullshit their qualifications and knowledge is incredible. They're all arborists now, now that they found that word exists. You have some advantages Andy, you have regs, you have a contained island to corner these fools and a captive market. Exploit it as best you can, inform and educate clients, expose the hacks and get them busted. __________________ TAS Training & Assessment Services\| Arb and Hort Training available here Free Online Tree Value Calculator by TreeWorld Free Online TPZ and SRZ AS4970-2009 Calculator by TreeWorld Free Online Tree Surface Area and Tree Volume Calculator by TreeWorld Free Tree and Green Industry Deep Link Directory ... Yes, I also SEO (Optimize) and build websites that fly high in Google Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist, Tree and Arborist Reports \| Project Arborist

11th December 2007, 09:28 AM	#36
treefeller Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: aaa Posts: 243	Re: "Isle of Man Tree Surgery Club" appropriatly named i think __________________ TreeZines Free Article and Deep Link Directory

11th December 2007, 06:56 PM	#37
TrevMcRev Sponsor Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. Posts: 1,428	Re: "Isle of Man Tree Surgery Club" Hack It Close "Sorry, i was just doin what the sign said" __________________ Total Tree Care - Melbourne Arborist Reports & Consulting,Tree Pruning & Removal \| Elm Leaf Beetle Treatment Melbourne www.treegear.com.au - Australia's Best Value Arborist Supplies

11th December 2007, 07:53 PM	#38
Ekka Admin - Dip Arb & Hort & Seldom Wrong Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 9,775	Re: "Isle of Man Tree Surgery Club" How Ironic, that should be published in some arb journal over there. Send it to Jeremy Barrell Barrell : Tree Consultancy he'll love it! __________________ TAS Training & Assessment Services\| Arb and Hort Training available here Free Online Tree Value Calculator by TreeWorld Free Online TPZ and SRZ AS4970-2009 Calculator by TreeWorld Free Online Tree Surface Area and Tree Volume Calculator by TreeWorld Free Tree and Green Industry Deep Link Directory ... Yes, I also SEO (Optimize) and build websites that fly high in Google Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist, Tree and Arborist Reports \| Project Arborist

11th December 2007, 09:09 PM	#39
JayD Moderator - Sponsor Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Sydney Posts: 1,433	Re: "Isle of Man Tree Surgery Club" It's certainly a world wide pandemiic, The powers that be needs to pull their collective heads out of the hole in ground and start taking action. __________________ Level 4 Arborist

20th December 2007, 05:09 AM	#43
TREE-SURFER Mature tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Isle of Man,UK. Posts: 378	Re: "Isle of Man Tree Surgery Club" ... BY ACCIDENT Having spoken with Mr Bott, he was rather defensive about his own contribution to the fact. I then spoke with the architect for that Job, a Mr Atkin, from the Douglas Corporation. He tells me that a line was drawn on the plan close to the tree, which he says should have been about two metres from the trunk. He told me that Electricity, water and gas were to be the services in this trench, but there was no stipulation as to how the trench was made. As far as I can tell, there was no Arborists report made on this tree, as it was not directly in the construction zone and as far as I can also tell, there was not a report for the rest of the site. I asked Mr Atkin, whether or not BS5837:2005 had been implemented and his reply was, "what is that exactly?". Obviously, from the reply, he didn't have a clue nor did he know what was required from BS5837:2005 and that being that all trees to be retained on site are to be fenced off in such a manner as to protect the tree within the Root Protection Zone. Mr Atkin noted to me, that when on site and to attend a site meeting, that he noticed what had been done. He commented, that "if this thing was to arise again, we would definitely use an Air Spade (which I had to tell him about any way.) ". Now, a person who will remain nameless, tells me that, the trench was to run well away from the tree and well away from the drip line. This would have placed the trench either in the road, or to the rear of the tree on the public playing fields. Now without seeing the plans or at least, being able to get a copy of that area, I can only go off what I have been told. The 'Mini digger Driver' who was sub-contracted to do the job, I have been led to believe, does not hold a current CITB certificate to operate a digger on construction sites. This all adds up, in my eyes, as a total dis-regard, to the health of the tree and that clearly, it was just in the way. Requests for paperwork on the matter ie:site` plans and Arb reports, were declined on the basis of 'What has it got to do with you?' At present, I am one voice, speaking for many. Really, some body or person should have been in Court for this and fined severely for it. The maximum being ?20,000 (GBP), Calling it an accident, is in my eyes, down right ignorance. BS5837:2005 is a guide-line only and is not enforceable by Law. This is quite a loop-hole for all construction sites that involve trees, if they all appear to be having accidents.................. __________________ The Aerial Arborist Isle of Man Tree Surgeon\| All Aspects of Tree Work What experts say about TOPPING

20th December 2007, 09:03 AM	#44
Ekka Admin - Dip Arb & Hort & Seldom Wrong Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 9,775	Re: "Isle of Man Tree Surgery Club" Great detective work, you should approach the local paper and ask them to investigate and print it. I believe exposure of such cases brings attention to both the enforcement people and developers. Now behind the scenes the two of those groups actually can be greasing each other, hence the accidents. __________________ TAS Training & Assessment Services\| Arb and Hort Training available here Free Online Tree Value Calculator by TreeWorld Free Online TPZ and SRZ AS4970-2009 Calculator by TreeWorld Free Online Tree Surface Area and Tree Volume Calculator by TreeWorld Free Tree and Green Industry Deep Link Directory ... Yes, I also SEO (Optimize) and build websites that fly high in Google Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist, Tree and Arborist Reports \| Project Arborist

20th December 2007, 05:05 PM	#46
Ekka Admin - Dip Arb & Hort & Seldom Wrong Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 9,775	Re: "Isle of Man Tree Surgery Club" Looks like nice soil you have there. She'll be right, they can compact it when they back fill it! And besides, every knows they have a tap root that goes down miles. __________________ TAS Training & Assessment Services\| Arb and Hort Training available here Free Online Tree Value Calculator by TreeWorld Free Online TPZ and SRZ AS4970-2009 Calculator by TreeWorld Free Online Tree Surface Area and Tree Volume Calculator by TreeWorld Free Tree and Green Industry Deep Link Directory ... Yes, I also SEO (Optimize) and build websites that fly high in Google Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist, Tree and Arborist Reports \| Project Arborist

29th January 2008, 06:46 AM	#48
Oldtimer Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Austin TX Posts: 105	Re: "Isle of Man Tree Surgery Club" ... BY ACCIDENT So the guys operating the trencher machine could not see a 150-years old tree right next to his machine! ..... I wonder if he was paying attention to the high pressure gas line going by there too! Sometimes I wonder where these blockheads got their Heavy Equipment Operator License. An idiot like that using a deep trencher run into a large gas line next to Highway in Venezuela and the explosion incinerated 90 people on the highway. It took more than a month to figure out where the trencher machine had landed afterwards.

25th February 2008, 08:02 AM	#50
crucificio Sappling Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: isle of man Posts: 30	Re: "Isle of Man Tree Surgery Club" I can 100% vouch for Andys annoyance at the disgraceful work done by this cowboy and his supposed qualified employees(all exprison inmates). I also get annoyed when the "HEAD" of forestry comes along and tells me "just pollard those trees" when this is not what is required. I refuse to pollard any trees as I have seen too much damage done by other "tree folk". . The only trees I try not to touch are pine as the sap damages the blades too much and its bloody heavy too. I just turned a very large (135ft) beech into smaller chunks only last friday. it had come down in last years storms and was balanced over a 25ft drop. It would have been amusing too have seen my balancing acts with three different stihl chainsaws and the slow creeking of the tree as she was getting operated on. The people were impressed by the speed of the job..

26th February 2008, 10:08 AM	#51
TREE-SURFER Mature tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Isle of Man,UK. Posts: 378	Re: "Isle of Man Tree Surgery Club" Hey Crucificio, got any pictures of that one, sounds like it was a big job. Where about was that? Must have been pretty much exposed to the elements. __________________ The Aerial Arborist Isle of Man Tree Surgeon\| All Aspects of Tree Work What experts say about TOPPING

27th February 2008, 09:45 AM	#52
crucificio Sappling Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: isle of man Posts: 30	Re: "Isle of Man Tree Surgery Club" That there big tree was up Injebreck, you can see part of what remains if you stop at the corner by cattlegrid and look out along track you will see part of it just on the top side. Will try get some photos of the remains of it. T

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