Here is a before and after of a underbush clearing

osb_mail · 12th May 2007, 03:08 PM

I hate to do this kind of work I know the impact it has on the plants and animals that love these places but the city thought it looked unclean .So I guess everything has to look like a golf course . I did this work with a bush hogg on the front of a skid loader .before

after

Sean Freeman · 12th May 2007, 03:14 PM

You're right to recognise the negative impact on all levels of life in that scrub of the clearing, but I often find the more proactive LGA's have criteria for safety of public using paths and parks and that scrub can (perhaps not in your photo eg though) provide shelter for some less desirable human species too.
Its a very hard balancing act that the responsible LGA has to make...the irresponsible ones just don't try either nuke everything irrespective or leave great big chunks of large scrub right next to paths and play areas!

Ekka · 12th May 2007, 03:33 PM

Personally I prefer the after shot.

Be good to see pics of the bush hog in action to.

osb_mail · 12th May 2007, 03:34 PM

I guess I could understand if this was a new york city street but this is in a small city . I do see your point boa about people hanging out in these places . But the home owners that lived next this area really nice people but they said if I had come to cut down those large trees they were going to chain themselves to the tree I just laughed at the lady and explained that I have little education trees and I know the value of them and I am not going cut them down just clean around them . I am glad to see people starting value these places but I don t like it when people get to extreme . I also always wonder what effect the skid loader ground compaction has a effect on these large trees . I sure some but do you think it would be enough to kill A large tree ??? I going throw a picture of the bullet proof tires just for fun .

osb_mail · 12th May 2007, 03:39 PM

Here is the whole rig I just have the bucket on the skid loader but the bushhogg is behind it on the trailer .I really love the way it all fits on the trailer . I don't have any action shots but I will try to get some in a couple weeks .

Ekka · 12th May 2007, 03:52 PM

How about a pic of the bush hog?

osb_mail · 12th May 2007, 03:58 PM

I did not take one of just the bush hog but here is a borrowed (stolen) picture from ambusher website

Ekka · 12th May 2007, 04:02 PM

Oh, like a lawnmower bed.

The mulched material stayed didn't it?

Most of that bush would resprout and grow over time so this may be a regular thing?

osb_mail · 12th May 2007, 04:11 PM

Yes you are right ekka stumps and most chips are left . I sure most of this spot had not been cut in a long I pulled a couple hundred feet of old farm fence out before I could even start .

Sean Freeman · 12th May 2007, 04:13 PM

You're right its great to meet people who have an attachment to their local environment...shame the LGA didn't try to envolve them in the activity even in a symbolic way, it makes any works program way way more effective and successful long term.

Compaction even from foot traffic has an effect, trees have evovled in environments where such major soil compaction as limited, as the veg gets denser the compaction is reduced more and more. But clearly trees have the ability when healthy and vigorous to cope with moderate compaction no problem, your skid steer would have compacted the soil for sure, my advice to the city would have been to spray chips over the area after the work as done, but the mulched debris being spread over the soil is good.
Decompaction is good but its slow and most LGA's won't spend the $s, which one limited budgets I can understand, less expensive options include soil and root treatments of dilute seaweed extract (very cheap and very effective) There's a thread here on suger water Sugar water for trees, good or bad? Soil | Carbon | Plant Sugars | Roots
with some data on the effects of sugar on annual weeds, again cheap (relatively) enviro friendly (extremely) and beneficial to soil food web for trees

osb_mail · 12th May 2007, 04:19 PM

I most say I am sorry for bad pictures I really should have took some better ones closer to the road to give you the full effect of this little spot .I just started taking picture this year so I am still learning . Give me time and hopefully my pictures will get better .

Ekka · 12th May 2007, 04:28 PM

So, is that a fresh water lake there or something?

And is the new cleared path for vehicle access?

Yes, a thick layer of chips would be good, reduces compaction even if vehicles drive over.

Good pics though mate, looks lush and green. Hey, we got 17mm of rain over the last 2 days, my water tank overflowed! And that's after I pumped up 3/4's of it to the pool. So maybe a bit more green in my pics soon to.

osb_mail · 12th May 2007, 04:43 PM

No lake , no path .It is a propety line going to a small woods by the road . That the city thought needed cleaned up .Another reason I like these spots is they are great for morel mushrooms and ginseng to grow I figure once it gets mowed not much of a chance of them growing there anymore . I know you guys probably dont have morels in your area but they are highly prized treat around here . That getting harder and harder to find .

Sean Freeman · 12th May 2007, 04:56 PM

You're right neither morels nor ginseng grow up with me, both do grow at Stanthrope nearer to Ekka, and of course further South nearer some of the other guys.....very envious.

OsAGe85 · 23rd September 2007, 11:59 AM

Morels bring back some memories here. GOOOD EATIN!!

12th May 2007, 03:08 PM	#1 (permalink)
osb_mail Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: ohio Posts: 201	Here is a before and after of a underbush clearing I hate to do this kind of work I know the impact it has on the plants and animals that love these places but the city thought it looked unclean .So I guess everything has to look like a golf course . I did this work with a bush hogg on the front of a skid loader .before after

12th May 2007, 03:14 PM	#2 (permalink)
Sean Freeman PDF King & Arborist Extrodinaire Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,671	You're right to recognise the negative impact on all levels of life in that scrub of the clearing, but I often find the more proactive LGA's have criteria for safety of public using paths and parks and that scrub can (perhaps not in your photo eg though) provide shelter for some less desirable human species too. Its a very hard balancing act that the responsible LGA has to make...the irresponsible ones just don't try either nuke everything irrespective or leave great big chunks of large scrub right next to paths and play areas! __________________ Sean Trees are poems that earth writes upon the sky, We fell them down and turn them into paper, That we may record our emptiness. - Kahlil Gibran

12th May 2007, 03:33 PM	#3 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,915	Personally I prefer the after shot. Be good to see pics of the bush hog in action to. __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding and Stump Removal Brisbane Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations, Developer, Tree and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

12th May 2007, 03:52 PM	#6 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,915	How about a pic of the bush hog? __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding and Stump Removal Brisbane Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations, Developer, Tree and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

12th May 2007, 04:02 PM	#8 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,915	Oh, like a lawnmower bed. The mulched material stayed didn't it? Most of that bush would resprout and grow over time so this may be a regular thing? __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding and Stump Removal Brisbane Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations, Developer, Tree and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

12th May 2007, 03:34 PM	#4 (permalink)
osb_mail Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: ohio Posts: 201	I guess I could understand if this was a new york city street but this is in a small city . I do see your point boa about people hanging out in these places . But the home owners that lived next this area really nice people but they said if I had come to cut down those large trees they were going to chain themselves to the tree I just laughed at the lady and explained that I have little education trees and I know the value of them and I am not going cut them down just clean around them . I am glad to see people starting value these places but I don t like it when people get to extreme . I also always wonder what effect the skid loader ground compaction has a effect on these large trees . I sure some but do you think it would be enough to kill A large tree ??? I going throw a picture of the bullet proof tires just for fun .

12th May 2007, 03:39 PM	#5 (permalink)
osb_mail Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: ohio Posts: 201	Here is the whole rig I just have the bucket on the skid loader but the bushhogg is behind it on the trailer .I really love the way it all fits on the trailer . I don't have any action shots but I will try to get some in a couple weeks .

12th May 2007, 03:58 PM	#7 (permalink)
osb_mail Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: ohio Posts: 201	I did not take one of just the bush hog but here is a borrowed (stolen) picture from ambusher website

12th May 2007, 04:11 PM	#9 (permalink)
osb_mail Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: ohio Posts: 201	Yes you are right ekka stumps and most chips are left . I sure most of this spot had not been cut in a long I pulled a couple hundred feet of old farm fence out before I could even start .

12th May 2007, 04:13 PM	#10 (permalink)
Sean Freeman PDF King & Arborist Extrodinaire Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,671	You're right its great to meet people who have an attachment to their local environment...shame the LGA didn't try to envolve them in the activity even in a symbolic way, it makes any works program way way more effective and successful long term. Compaction even from foot traffic has an effect, trees have evovled in environments where such major soil compaction as limited, as the veg gets denser the compaction is reduced more and more. But clearly trees have the ability when healthy and vigorous to cope with moderate compaction no problem, your skid steer would have compacted the soil for sure, my advice to the city would have been to spray chips over the area after the work as done, but the mulched debris being spread over the soil is good. Decompaction is good but its slow and most LGA's won't spend the $s, which one limited budgets I can understand, less expensive options include soil and root treatments of dilute seaweed extract (very cheap and very effective) There's a thread here on suger water Sugar water for trees, good or bad? Soil \| Carbon \| Plant Sugars \| Roots with some data on the effects of sugar on annual weeds, again cheap (relatively) enviro friendly (extremely) and beneficial to soil food web for trees __________________ Sean Trees are poems that earth writes upon the sky, We fell them down and turn them into paper, That we may record our emptiness. - Kahlil Gibran

12th May 2007, 04:19 PM	#11 (permalink)
osb_mail Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: ohio Posts: 201	I most say I am sorry for bad pictures I really should have took some better ones closer to the road to give you the full effect of this little spot .I just started taking picture this year so I am still learning . Give me time and hopefully my pictures will get better .

12th May 2007, 04:28 PM	#12 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,915	So, is that a fresh water lake there or something? And is the new cleared path for vehicle access? Yes, a thick layer of chips would be good, reduces compaction even if vehicles drive over. Good pics though mate, looks lush and green. Hey, we got 17mm of rain over the last 2 days, my water tank overflowed! And that's after I pumped up 3/4's of it to the pool. So maybe a bit more green in my pics soon to. __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding and Stump Removal Brisbane Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations, Developer, Tree and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

12th May 2007, 04:43 PM	#13 (permalink)
osb_mail Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: ohio Posts: 201	No lake , no path .It is a propety line going to a small woods by the road . That the city thought needed cleaned up .Another reason I like these spots is they are great for morel mushrooms and ginseng to grow I figure once it gets mowed not much of a chance of them growing there anymore . I know you guys probably dont have morels in your area but they are highly prized treat around here . That getting harder and harder to find .

12th May 2007, 04:56 PM	#14 (permalink)
Sean Freeman PDF King & Arborist Extrodinaire Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,671	You're right neither morels nor ginseng grow up with me, both do grow at Stanthrope nearer to Ekka, and of course further South nearer some of the other guys.....very envious. __________________ Sean Trees are poems that earth writes upon the sky, We fell them down and turn them into paper, That we may record our emptiness. - Kahlil Gibran

23rd September 2007, 11:59 AM	#15 (permalink)
OsAGe85 Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Littlerock Arkansas US Posts: 66	Re: Here is a before and after of a underbush clearing Morels bring back some memories here. GOOOD EATIN!! __________________ Gotta love the smell 2 stroke and wood chips. Be smart, be safe.

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