Ace Master Lowering and rigging no.2

Ace Master · 7th November 2007, 12:57 PM

Just a little more..

Eric Frei · 7th November 2007, 05:41 PM

Yeah, nice.

Better sized pics too.

Is that the official GRCS from USA?

Ace Master · 7th November 2007, 07:27 PM

Thats it ! all the way from the USA.

A Very top unit,we use it all the time, the ground crew love it,still learning new ways with it.Redroo got it for us they are bringing them in now.Should i slow down with the pics,still have more to show?

Eric Frei · 7th November 2007, 07:38 PM

Keep adding but try to add to a single thread not have multiple threads coz it will confuse people over time.

RC1 · 8th November 2007, 09:15 AM

Keep em coming Ace

I'm used to being confused

TrevMcRev · 8th November 2007, 09:28 PM

Quote:

Thats it ! all the way from the USA.

A Very top unit,we use it all the time, the ground crew love it,still learning new ways with it.Redroo got it for us they are bringing them in now.

Cool. If you guys have been using it a bit, what have you found you'd change about the design to improve it?

Quote:

Should i slow down with the pics,still have more to show?

If ya just keep adding to 1 post, like reply to your own thread with more pics its easier to follow.

But they are cool pics, so keep em coming!

Ace Master · 9th November 2007, 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrevMcRev

Cool. If you guys have been using it a bit, what have you found you'd change about the design to improve it?

If ya just keep adding to 1 post, like reply to your own thread with more pics its easier to follow.

But they are cool pics, so keep em coming!

It doesn't like the big drop loads, which has bent the pig tail lop,needs to be a bit stronger and thicker steel rod pig tail lop.We had to make a steel box to keep it all together(a lot of connecting parts),needs to except more rope sizes (bigger & smaller),but it is still a top unit for raising limbs and pulling trees over, it can be used on different trees instead of being at the base of the drop zone.We have 2 different Units(grcs & Friction Drum) which we select the on the day that we think will work the best.The Friction Drum is very good for big timber drops and rope running,Grcs is best for lifting power, combine the too and it would be a nice unit... 2 for 1.

Eric Frei · 9th November 2007, 09:13 PM

Sounds like Lewmar and Harken need to come up with a winch for arborists.

The self tailing and two speed idea is great however the bollard shape is the problem ... it is short, curved and bunches/overlaps the rope where as the Hobbs and THS devices have a cylindrical shaped bollard.

Interesting, maybe TM can start a thread and summon the experts for the Tree World version.

shaggs · 9th November 2007, 09:35 PM

Keep the pics coming ace!
What is the max rope size for grcs?? 5/8"? What sort of rope you use in it?

Ace Master · 9th November 2007, 10:20 PM

You can run braided or 3 strand 14m to 18m,I found that the braided ropes run alot smoother with less tangles.I have some pic of the units to see the differents in the Bollards sizes.Inside the whole middle of the Grcs bollard is the 2 speed drive gear and on the Friction Drum the gear ring is at the base of the bollard so you can get that cylindrical shape.

Ace Master · 9th November 2007, 10:25 PM

Check out the GRCS and FRICTION DRUM BOLLARDS Pics

Tree Machine · 9th November 2007, 11:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ekka

Interesting, maybe TM can start a thread and summon the experts for the Tree World version.

You boys are outta my league. I do all lowering from up in the tree, aerial rigging. I never get trees as big as the monster where Ace had to extend the semi strap with a chain.

I love these systems and I met Greg Good at a Tree Care convention, but didn't buy a GRCS. I don't think I would have even a tiny bit of influence with other winch/bollard makers.

This stuff is fascinating.

Ace Master · 10th November 2007, 01:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tree Machine

You boys are outta my league. I do all lowering from up in the tree, aerial rigging. I never get trees as big as the monster where Ace had to extend the semi strap with a chain.

I love these systems and I met Greg Good at a Tree Care convention, but didn't buy a GRCS. I don't think I would have even a tiny bit of influence with other winch/bollard makers.

This stuff is fascinating.

I have spoken to Greg Good and have sent him some pictures of the Grcs in action, he loved the chain extention strap too and said he will send a free 10m strap for us to use, i may admit that we use some of these purpose built tree equipment to their limits

,but you can see why by the size of these trees.It gets the old heart pumping when you are right on the edge,everything has to be spot on and extra cautions taken,the right rope,the right ground crew,the right cuts........etc.Sometimes i do aerial rigging too,but i like the ground crew to do most of the lowering as i can set up the second lowering rope or move to the next limb.Tree Machine we are all in the same league, because we all love doing the same thing each day,a small tree can just be as challenging as a large one.Thanks now,Keep up the good work..........

Eric Frei · 10th November 2007, 07:07 AM

One thing I did notice using those aluminium drums was the rope ended up a steely colour from the aluminium rubbing off.

Dont know whether that's going to affect things or not.

Jeff Darby · 10th November 2007, 07:23 AM

We have a video of these units being used to the point of destruction, It gives you a better hands on type of approach without actually damaging your own set up. I dont know if your seen it? It's where they bomb out a volvo..very good to watch...I would hate to witness this with my own gear!
All The Best
JayD

Eric Frei · 10th November 2007, 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JayD

We have a video of these units being used to the point of destruction, It gives you a better hands on type of approach without actually damaging your own set up. I dont know if your seen it? It's where they bomb out a volvo..very good to watch...I would hate to witness this with my own gear!
All The Best
JayD

Ask and you will receive.

GRCS vs Hobbs Drop tests to destruction| volvo dropped on it

Drouin Tree Service · 10th November 2007, 10:49 AM

Thanks Fransy!!!!

Ace Master · 10th November 2007, 09:53 PM

Yes i have seen the video before, and we have allready bent the fairlead rods and the base plate in the same spot as the video shows but that was not by timber drops but from lowering whole trees that were hung up.It had only happened once thank god we had two ropes on that sucker.

7th November 2007, 12:57 PM	#1
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7th November 2007, 05:41 PM	#2
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,820	Re: Ace Master Lowering and rigging no.2 Yeah, nice. Better sized pics too. Is that the official GRCS from USA? __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

7th November 2007, 07:27 PM	#3
Ace Master Mature tree Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia, Vic, Melbourne Posts: 387	Re: Ace Master Lowering and rigging no.2 Thats it ! all the way from the USA. A Very top unit,we use it all the time, the ground crew love it,still learning new ways with it.Redroo got it for us they are bringing them in now.Should i slow down with the pics,still have more to show? __________________ Website: The Mt Dandenong Ranges Tree Specialists YouTube: Ace Tree Master

7th November 2007, 07:38 PM	#4
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,820	Re: Ace Master Lowering and rigging no.2 Keep adding but try to add to a single thread not have multiple threads coz it will confuse people over time. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

8th November 2007, 09:15 AM	#5
RC1 Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Macclesfield England Posts: 196	Re: Ace Master Lowering and rigging no.2 Keep em coming Ace I'm used to being confused

9th November 2007, 09:13 PM	#8
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,820	Re: Ace Master Lowering and rigging no.2 Sounds like Lewmar and Harken need to come up with a winch for arborists. The self tailing and two speed idea is great however the bollard shape is the problem ... it is short, curved and bunches/overlaps the rope where as the Hobbs and THS devices have a cylindrical shaped bollard. Interesting, maybe TM can start a thread and summon the experts for the Tree World version. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

9th November 2007, 09:35 PM	#9
shaggs Mature tree Join Date: May 2007 Location: sydney Posts: 422	Re: Ace Master Lowering and rigging no.2 Keep the pics coming ace! What is the max rope size for grcs?? 5/8"? What sort of rope you use in it?

9th November 2007, 10:20 PM	#10
Ace Master Mature tree Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia, Vic, Melbourne Posts: 387	Re: Ace Master Lowering and rigging no.2 You can run braided or 3 strand 14m to 18m,I found that the braided ropes run alot smoother with less tangles.I have some pic of the units to see the differents in the Bollards sizes.Inside the whole middle of the Grcs bollard is the 2 speed drive gear and on the Friction Drum the gear ring is at the base of the bollard so you can get that cylindrical shape. __________________ Website: The Mt Dandenong Ranges Tree Specialists YouTube: Ace Tree Master

9th November 2007, 10:25 PM	#11
Ace Master Mature tree Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia, Vic, Melbourne Posts: 387	Re: Ace Master Lowering and rigging no.2 Check out the GRCS and FRICTION DRUM BOLLARDS Pics Attached Thumbnails __________________ Website: The Mt Dandenong Ranges Tree Specialists YouTube: Ace Tree Master

10th November 2007, 07:07 AM	#14
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,820	Re: Ace Master Lowering and rigging no.2 One thing I did notice using those aluminium drums was the rope ended up a steely colour from the aluminium rubbing off. Dont know whether that's going to affect things or not. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

10th November 2007, 07:23 AM	#15
Jeff Darby Moderator - Previously known as JayD Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: TreeWorld, Sydney Australia Posts: 2,031	Re: Ace Master Lowering and rigging no.2 We have a video of these units being used to the point of destruction, It gives you a better hands on type of approach without actually damaging your own set up. I dont know if your seen it? It's where they bomb out a volvo..very good to watch...I would hate to witness this with my own gear! All The Best JayD __________________ Member: Australian Tree Association Join the Australian Tree Association...Have your voice heard ! Arboriculture, A life long study for some, a passing phase for others © Jeffrey J Darby 2011

10th November 2007, 10:49 AM	#17
Drouin Tree Service Veteran Heritage Status Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 1,697	Re: Ace Master Lowering and rigging no.2 Thanks Fransy!!!! __________________ Drouin Tree Services \| Excavator Hire - Drouin and SE Gippsland \| Landclearing Melbourne

10th November 2007, 09:53 PM	#18
Ace Master Mature tree Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia, Vic, Melbourne Posts: 387	Re: Ace Master Lowering and rigging no.2 Yes i have seen the video before, and we have allready bent the fairlead rods and the base plate in the same spot as the video shows but that was not by timber drops but from lowering whole trees that were hung up.It had only happened once thank god we had two ropes on that sucker. __________________ Website: The Mt Dandenong Ranges Tree Specialists YouTube: Ace Tree Master

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