Walking down a hanger

Victor Lindsay

What does TW say about this youtube demo?

I was tought to put an open face notch on top, (compression side) then back cut.

Eric Frei

He also has this more recent one loaded 4 October 2010, that one was loaded 18 September 2010.

Here's his more recent one. He is a member here and can post here, however after his last video he spat the dummy and hasn't posted.


What we are witnessing here is more errors, dangerous practices and practices that are not recognized. We see barber chairs and sawing above shoulder height.

I doubt this guy has official training, I doubt an ISA Cert Arb ticket even has chainsaw handling let alone advanced felling techniques performed in practice.

He also has produced back leaning videos similarly as dangerous, with one of the trees in his back leaning video the rope was almost parallel to the tree trunk whilst machinery pulled the tree up. The vector forces of a pull angle like that down the trunk and onto the hinge-wood is high, but he could have placed the redirect for the pulley elsewhere for a better angled lift plus backed up his lifts.

The more I see the more I dislike, and I am so over arguing about crap like this.

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TrevMcRev

He is a loose cannon oblivious to his dangerous techniques.

He believes he is cutting edge and no-one else understands because they are not at his level.

The practices he is preachin, here and in his other videos have killed experienced people before.

So what hope do ignorant people have.....

One of the most dangerous things is when you are unaware of how dangerous what you are doing is.

I think he is playing russian roulette for the sake of youtube glory.

At least when it all goes wrong for him one day it will be on tape.

I wonder if that one will make it to youtube.....

Garry Brockley

How many things and facts could this idiot get wrong in one technical video i really feel sorry for the people who don't know any better and succumb to a terible accident because of this hack.

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dov

WTF!?!?!! How does he intend to control the direction of the fall with such a small hinge on the top? That could twist anywhere! Open notch on top and then back-cut is a far safer method.

Jeff Darby

Really what can I say that hasn't been already said ! people, chainsaw maniacs, enthusiasts this is not the way to fell trees like this...do not believe all you see on you tube...

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so instead of bashing this guy why doesent somebody post a vid of how to do it the right way? im curious as to how this is supposto be done safely because i normally just cut about half way down from the top then undercut but i severely dislike this method, because it is not safe. if im understanding correctly the right way is to notch it on the top side then under cut? maby plunge cut and leave a strap that can be triggered once the hinge has been set up? like falling a severly leaning tree basically? except opposite hinge side.

Eric Frei

Watch the video in the first post of this thread.

Swedish video| Dealing with storm felled trees

Just watch, the video is in Swedish but you'll understand the saw moves.

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newguy18

the trees aren't just the widow makers,but one day those cuts will be.At the very least saw crushers,sure it may work the first dozen or so times,but it only takes one time.Oh shit shouldn't be anyone's last words.

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Col2y

I personaly think this is the best forum and is always the top on my fav list, on "that other site" which he posts on, there are people deffending this walking hazard, and hes on there like this is gospal. Where the first video on this site is someone else posting it and pinning him for that cowboy that he is. his videos are the equivilent of him driving drunk he might kill himself but is more likely to mow down someone else

The reason i dont like forums in general is that everyone is an expert and if they have a video camera it gets worse 10 fold. which makes it hard to learn anything, big or small. there are very few people i listen to anymore, (Eric being included in that short list)

i know you guys can pick the winners from the losers but i worry about the people that are just starting out, all gung ho watching videos trying to learn and dont know anybetter.

after watching his list of videos on that for mentioned "other site" i needed to rant so thanks, stay safe

Eric Frei

Thanks Col2y,

I understand exactly what you say, then add to that biased moderating, mobs, gang ups and then you have all the ingredients for chaos.

For arboriculture to advance I doubt arrogance is the way forward.

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Col2y

i find that in this industry everyone thinks they are the best and they aren't afraid to tell you either. It makes it really hard to progress as an industry and individualy because the people like our for mentioned friend here think that they are 100% right and that everyone else is wrong, even when they're more educated and experienced counter parts tell them. Perhaps experience is a bad word to use, just because one person has been doing this longer then another person does not make them experienced, but that seems to be the "rules" as far as forums go. it would be funny if they made ppl post there credentials and refferences like a resume, so you could see how they really tally up before they start "teaching" others.

And dont get me wrong eric i have been taking the p*ss out of the forums in these last couple of posts, i in no mean direct any of these comments at you.

keep up the good work.

Col2y

the way you posted is exactly how it should be done

if you want to go one step further on bigger tree's plunge the back cut leaving a strap then cut it with a pole saw, if you have one. it gets you way out of the way, just beacause if your cutting a decent tree you need a bigger saw, so you either have to be pretty close or you have to stretch out and try to make your back cut,

Joshua Rugg

by no means am i a pro, i have only been in the tree industry for 4 years so bare with me. in my head snap cuts make no sense in those situations because as the word implies "SNAP". snaps cuts rely on the splitting of wood fibers like a barber chair which is wild and uncontrollable as apposed to a hinge which relies on wood pull. you would have more control if you made a face cut on top and then bore cut setting up the hinge. then release the back strap. i was taught to leave a MUCH BIGGER hinge then what he left. first sound of popping, you get your saw out of their and step wayyyyyy back. if it doesn't come down within a minute, slowly feather the hing a bit until it starts to move again.
that little toothpick was scary. it made me scared when he talked about the trunk spearing into the ground. with a face and hinge you have a flat butt and no spearing. this video is scary stuff.

he once told me to use 1/2 true blue over 5/8s for blocking.

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Col2y

Yeh.. If you watch the rest of his video's you'll see that you shouldn't really listen to what he has to say, I'd be interested in hearing erics veiws on his video about stearing a tree with your back cut.

The problem is, and I may have posted this before but I'm on my black berry so I didn't re read the post, but everyone in this industry thinks there the best (for the most part) and everyone on the internet are always right ( for the most part) so when the 2 meet nothing much is learned. You have to pick very carefully who you listen to on any forum. There's a lot of smart people on here but you have know how to weed out the cowboys, because everyone is equaly certified on the forums.

This is why I only have about 50 posts on this forum in 4 years, I do a lot of reading but not a lot of arguing, but when I saw sopmeone else agreed with me I had to put my 2 cents in. Mainly because on other forums they take everything this guy says as gospal and it just makes my brain hurt

I think that's enough of a rant for one day
Stay safe
Cory