Tree/tree traverse @ 180' up

jim1nz · 16th January 2009, 03:52 AM

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Originally Posted by oldschool

If you can judge a person by their posts yes. They both sound very experienced

Haha ya can fool some of the people

jim1nz · 16th January 2009, 03:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Ekka

Allow the sort of work practices exhibited in the video by Bigshea13

If you read the specs you'd have seen it is 31" wide, it will fit through a std doorway. Fences in many cases can be removed, most houses have side access through gates. After owning a miniloader for years I can say it is not often I cannot get that machine in, you tend to bring about what you think about.

Even if you are really the boss not employed by some-one then you are in the firing line.

Often the ones who make assessment of your work method never do the job, they're called OHS investigators, they dont have to do the job to assess it.

As far as this comment
I can tell by your posts that you think you're Superman, but every day the kryptonite is getting closer.

Was a cocky climber we knew. When asked if he'd like to formalize his experience and become an arborist the reply was "fugg that, dont need that shit". The guy was fast but old school and there'd be lots of minor damage all the time. You know, rather than rope a limb "she'll be right" and smash goes the fence etc. Rather than install a pulley and rig off it he'd natural crotch limbs off on the way up ... getting stuck on stuff, cant pull the limb back up as no block installed.

Anyway, he too thought he was ants pants, no-one was as good or as fast as him. Wasn't a tree he couldn't do.

He's not a tree worker anymore.

He fell, lucky to be alive, he'd be around 30yo with kids.

The story is only one more of the many that occur.

What I can say is not many other "trades" would do stuff like that. They'd get the right gear in regardless of cost however this industry seems to be in a race to the bottom.

Another guy I knew, also fast. Climbs with a 026 and one hands it, all the time. Boasted how in 11years never been cut. Then the Kryptonite came one day, got him good, 30 plus stitches in the left arm.

After he recovered from that and got his confidence back he went back to the old practices, thought he might get another 11 years and he was being more careful .... didn't last another year, got him again ... only 10 stitches the second time around.

To a degree here WC adjusts it's premiums per client, they do have base rates and general risk categories for occupations. I pay 1.8% WC, never had a claim in 11 years, and neither have had P/L claim. I like them odds too, and make money.

For those interested I have made a slow motion video of that piece of action here.
YouTube - Controversial Cutting Slow Motion

Good call mate.

treevet · 16th January 2009, 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by jim1nz

Haha ya can fool some of the people

Yeah and some of the people are just plain fools (all of the time)

newguy18 · 16th January 2009, 04:06 AM

Lordy,i know just enough to be dangerous,and enough to know you never know enough.

oldschool · 16th January 2009, 04:10 AM

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Originally Posted by treevet

Yeah and some of the people are just plain fools (all of the time)

Damn skippy!

arborjockey · 16th January 2009, 04:36 AM

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Originally Posted by newguy18

Lordy,i know just enough to be dangerous,and enough to know you never know enough.

well put... the video. ahhhhhhhhhhh well, 1 why does everybody keep asking if its legal? like the guy just showed up and desided to start cutting. 2 the only thing i saw that should be illegal is his hard hat. I agree with big shea " the challenge and the thrill drive me " Thrill being that you use the least amount of equipment while bringing in the job the safe and on time. Every descent size removal could use a 300 ton crane

IFING and it was me in the video I would have gone to each transformer (both ends of wire) and disconnected the fuse. But Im not allowed around power. Well with in 10' . I love storm damage. Technical rigging is fascinating to me. Every situayion is different. As far as ratings. I get rated as an A climber. By guys who are rating themsevls as B's. Problem is I consider myself a C climber, their D's> Bigger problem I cant find a good teacher Im Always The Foreman. findig a job being an apprentice for a veeteran tree guy, jeez I might as well become a cobbler, cooper, blacksmith whatever

oldschool · 16th January 2009, 07:17 AM

Aborjockey....? You don't need to pull the fuses at both ends. The transformer is the end. Plus those guys said the knives were out on the primary switches. No chance of juice except for generator backfeed which they said they went door to door on each tap and informed the houses what was going on and that generator needed to be shut off. Plus they aren't allowed to pull fuses.

The Static Snatcher · 16th January 2009, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Ekka

If you can fit through then so can one of these.

HINOWA UNDER CARRIAGES

Any company or boss that allows that on their job site is looking for court action and a law suit.

No wonder things are getting worse not better.
OSHA| USA| Tree Care Operations | Asking Your Input

Ok so i have been on hurricanes before myself and obviously you have not when you are going threw backyards with 8 foot high fences all the way around the yards with just a three foot wide opening its very hard to get anything threw that. and its hard enough to just get the most basic of equipment that we need and if you would have ever been on would no that its just a battle to get gas for your saws so its pretty stupid to think that he could have gotten a peice of equipment like that and its also stupid to think that a company would go buy him that peice of equipment just for that one tree cause that a large amount of money to waste on it. I dont work with BIG myself but i have seen what he can do before other than the video that he has on here and he is one of the most amazing tree guys i have ever seen. If anyone says otherwise then they have not seen very much of what he can do or have no idea what a real tree man lools like cause trust me he is one of the best around.

The Static Snatcher · 16th January 2009, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by treevet

I have experienced what you call an arc blast, twice. It just makes you more careful not to have it happen again.

But in this video.....no electric was on. Probably not a day to day thing to have the camera on the job so this is why I think this video was staged for effect for the forums. Camera angle and all you know.

As for line clearance being more dangerous than city (not residential)....I don't buy it. Everything is relative. Some line clear. is more dangerous than others and some city tree work is more dangerous than others therefore....sometimes one is higher risk to life and property on different days.

Some guys go out of the lot with a work order every day with the tallest, deadest trees over multiple buildings, wires, etc, etc. They do the hardest riskiest stuff because they are the best climbers in the lot.

For this poster to say that he is the best that ever lived and does the most dangerous work every day and tell somebody (ekka) that he has done much more dangerous removals when he has never met him let alone witnessed his work well,.......that sounds like just ego and maybe an inferiority complex talking.

Afterall all what he does every day (in his words) is line clearing, and what does he have to compare it to anyway? It seemed to me that the days of somebody with a huge ego getting on these forums and declaring "I am the greatest" was a thing of the past as they can somewhat witness what all these other top of the trade arbs are doing in print, vids, and picts.

I am not talking out of ignorance as I cleared all the wires for a township for about 5 years in Hunterdon County New Jersey after the Three Mile Incident and had no bucket truck. I have also been through 3 major ice storms in my 40 years and a hurricane with thousands of trees laying all over wires and we got trees off them.

You have to be a moron to think that this is staged no bringing a cmaera is not a normal thing but did that look like a normal everyday tree if you have really been doing this like you say u have you would no its not. and if u are going on a hurricane where there is gonna be a lot of big nasties then obviously a lot of people are gonna have there cameras with them to capture what they see and if its staged lets see you make your staged video of the same thing and when u say you cant thats because its not staged. And back with my first post about getting equipment it would take a long time to get equipment if you are on a hurricane probly up ta 2 or three weeks and you really dont have that kinda time when u are trying to a mass restoration like that.

The Static Snatcher · 16th January 2009, 01:36 PM

all i have to say is look at what he has done and tell me that you would not want to go watch him and learn what you can cause to become the best like everyone thinks they are you need to surround urself with the people who seem to be the best and he seems to be one of the best

jim1nz · 16th January 2009, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by The Static Snatcher

all i have to say is look at what he has done and tell me that you would not want to go watch him and learn what you can cause to become the best like everyone thinks they are you need to surround urself with the people who seem to be the best and he seems to be one of the best

Your promoting him as if hes some legend or something.

Only thing i learnt there is how to try and kill yourself.

oldschool · 16th January 2009, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jim1nz

Your promoting him as if hes some legend or something.

Only thing i learnt there is how to try and kill yourself.

When I worked with those guys that type of stuff was an everyday occurrence. I never say a single incident. They got it down. There are two of them. Both brothers. Theyvebeen all across the country working doing just what u see in videos. Storms bring crazy situation. They knows how to get the job done quick and wwirhout inciddent. The companies like em cause it's cheaper to hire a climber than it is a piece of equipment and the headaches that go with them

The Static Snatcher · 17th January 2009, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by jim1nz

Your promoting him as if hes some legend or something.

Only thing i learnt there is how to try and kill yourself.

well you are probly just mad or jealus that you dont have people that look up to you in that way because you are too scared to every attempt what the two brothers can do and thats problybecause u no that u arnt half the treemen that they are.

jim1nz · 17th January 2009, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by The Static Snatcher

well you are probly just mad or jealus that you dont have people that look up to you in that way because you are too scared to every attempt what the two brothers can do and thats problybecause u no that u arnt half the treemen that they are.

Hahaha your having a laugh mate, you got no idea.

Now your just having a go because you got blatantly exposed. I dont care what you or your two brother mates do, just dont try and tell me they are the 'best' and i can 'learn' from that bollix.

newguy18 · 17th January 2009, 01:04 AM

You 2 need to learn from a real legend,watch how Beranek or Mcmahon climb.

treevet · 17th January 2009, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by jim1nz

Hahaha your having a laugh mate, you got no idea.

Now your just having a go because you got blatantly exposed. I dont care what you or your two brother mates do, just dont try and tell me they are the 'best' and i can 'learn' from that bollix.

These clowns ever climb a tree without any spikes on?

oldschool · 17th January 2009, 02:26 AM

[QUOTE=treevet;52329]These clowns ever climb a tree without any spikes on?[sure do

Eric Frei · 17th January 2009, 06:11 PM

For the record Oldschool is Bigshea13 re-joined under another name as he was banned. The other guy is just here as his side kick.

Keep an eye out, it's hard to maintain a superior forum with jerks like this around, that's why they hang out at the Terdhouse where Boyd Edgar Ballowe 2 the know kiddie porn king reigns.

For the record whilst I have deleted all the comments over at YouTube (

YouTube - Controversial Cutting Slow Motion

) here's a snap shot of what it looked like prior.

As you can see my reasons for banning this Oshea person were based not on what was on his video but his personal assaults, then he got invited to the Terdhouse by RbTree where he gathered a posse of pussies to fight his plight.

The funny part is he actually got a bigger roasting there than here, he lost his cool with another poster and crawled back apologizing to The Terdhouse but comes here to beat us up. LOL

Here ya go, Oshea's true side.

And although it's not right to publish emails or PM's in the event of people making threats, especially legal it's near policy.

This is what Oshea emailed me.

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whats up chubby. thanks for the ban you fat little bastard. im gonna return the favor....for sure. your such a spinless little ???? that when someone goes against what the almighty pekka has to say you just ban em. over here in the us at the real forums your regarded as a troll. im in your forums you piece of shit. so are my friends. and more are coming. we work all over the country so when you ban us we just go to the front of the motel or the nearest coffee shop or library and log in under another name. this could go on forever. ill turn your site into a circus sideshow. godbless the world wide web. an apology for the ban and the ban lifted is what you can do to stop this. if tyou think im ????ing around try me. you started it with your fatass shithole comment about me being the reason the industry is going down hill. stick to your palms sunshine and let the games begin.
ps. have a great day pekka!

Now this guy self ostracized from the forum in April 2008, then re-appears in Dec 2008. Why did he disappear? Because I deleted one of his posts aimed at TreeDimensional that no-one understood and was reported as offensive. I left the post up 3 days then deleted it.

BigShea then attacked me and spat the dummy that I delete half the posts in the place and it ain't run right and left ... as you can see the volatile threatening mentality does best belong with MB's Terdhouse and not here.

It's one thing to have a difference of opinion, yet another to personally assault, threaten, harass and attack, call people "stupid" or "morons" for thinking of alternatives etc.

16th January 2009, 04:06 AM	#34
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 4,948	Re: Tree/tree traverse @ 180' up Lordy,i know just enough to be dangerous,and enough to know you never know enough. __________________ Have your say join us today. old schooler

16th January 2009, 07:17 AM	#37
oldschool Former Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: in the hills Posts: 13	Re: Tree/tree traverse @ 180' up Aborjockey....? You don't need to pull the fuses at both ends. The transformer is the end. Plus those guys said the knives were out on the primary switches. No chance of juice except for generator backfeed which they said they went door to door on each tap and informed the houses what was going on and that generator needed to be shut off. Plus they aren't allowed to pull fuses.

16th January 2009, 01:36 PM	#40
The Static Snatcher Former Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: NY Posts: 4	Re: Tree/tree traverse @ 180' up all i have to say is look at what he has done and tell me that you would not want to go watch him and learn what you can cause to become the best like everyone thinks they are you need to surround urself with the people who seem to be the best and he seems to be one of the best

17th January 2009, 01:04 AM	#45
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 4,948	Re: Tree/tree traverse @ 180' up You 2 need to learn from a real legend,watch how Beranek or Mcmahon climb. __________________ Have your say join us today. old schooler

17th January 2009, 02:26 AM	#47
oldschool Former Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: in the hills Posts: 13	Re: Tree/tree traverse @ 180' up [QUOTE=treevet;52329]These clowns ever climb a tree without any spikes on?[sure do

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