Training style vid - felling a side leaner, most viewed video in my collection

Treelore

Sean this entire thread is of a scarf being placed in a direction that the tree is not expected to fall!!! That in itself is bad practice which noone picked up on. To think that it is even an acceptable practice to teach tearing of the hingewood in order to place a tree is lunacy. The acceptable code of practice has been written in order to stop such ridiculous forms of malpractice and many have died and many research institutions do nothing but look at bio-chemistry and fibre of timber to ascertain exactly what we have in todays terms of safe felling. These are tried and true methods that are beyond reproach at this particular juncture. That as said, to recommend anything other than the COP is illegal and to suggest that there is a better way of doing things without being in approval of the COP is a great way to get in real trouble. Hingewood is an essential component of felling leaning trees because the additional hinge offers more resistance so keeping a tree straighter for longer. These are basic standards and at this point the wheel is not going to be reinvented! Oh and Sean Bore cutting and quarter cutting are a standardized forestry way of cutting hazardous and leaning trees that require differentiation in hinge thickness!!

Sean Freeman

That post makes no sense to me sorry.
Have you actually read the Code of Practice mate, it does not make mention of tapered hingewood/holding wood. Incidentally bore cutting and quarter cutting, excellent safe techniques that can be leant through training are not part of the code of practice either.

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Ekka

You have missed the point so incorrectly it borders on humiliating, the tree of course follows the scarf to a tee, and the side rope at 90 degrees to it does exactly that.

It's so dissapointing that you even call yourself an arborist if after all the videos and diagrams you fail to comprehend this procedure, shame on you, back to grade 3 comprehension!

Other readers, TreeLore has failed to realise that the tree falls true to hinge but the "offset" is it's own canopy geometry "offset" from the hinge. His rantings and banter are simply rhetoric .... absolute tripe, nonsense and the typical stifle that becomes institutionalised, and man within a mould. Who are you taking to your next tricky felling job, Text Book TreeLore or Ekka hits the cone at 20m?

You can eat all those words above, what's ridiculous is your posts and sensationalism of danger, deaths, malpractice bla bla bla .... act like a knob!

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Treelore

Eric that tree does nothing in the order of following the scarf. Please don't bring into question my quals. The tree if you were adjusting for side lean for the head, the trunk should have followed your scarf line. It didn't however. The tree in fact fell to the right of your proposed cone and this alone was due to rope elasticity otherwise the whole thing would have been calamitous. If you had in fact scarfed the tree so that the trunk fell in the direction that it ultimately ended up you would not have been fighting hingewood half as much as you were. You want to talk about comprehending procedure!!

Ekka

Sigh, when you eyes connect to your brain ... then post.

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Sean Freeman

In the (perhaps vain) hope to provide some clarity where there has been a fair bit of argueing at cross purposes, animosity and name calling even resulting in a banning....let me revisit some of the points that I believe need to be carefully and clearly stated.

1. I don't believe Eric or anyone else has ever intended to encourage any un-trained unqualified persons through the watching of video on this forum to attempt to undertake any type of tree felling. It is and will always be amongst the most dangerous things that you can be envolved in, it requires a lot of training under the watchful eye of fully qualified and experienced trainers, in a training environment.

2. Noone has stated that trees should be felled in any other way than by following the scarf that is cut for them.....the scarf (or a perpendicular line from the middle of the scarf) gives the intended felling direction of the stem of the tree being felled.

3. What has been said is that in the particular case of felling a tree with a lean any offset position of the canopy relative to that perpendicular line will be reflected in the section of the tree after it is felled.



What eric has been saying is if you cut the scarf with this in mind you will be able to allow for that offset...thereby avoiding say an unmovable valuable object (the grey square) which would be struck if the offset was not accounted for.

The confusion and disagreement seems to be around the value or otherwise of the tapered hinge in all of this. I don't think anyone has said that a tapered hinge is not relevant to the success of the fell just that its influence on altering the final direction of the fell is absolutely minimal. The tapered hinge would still be used (IMO) even in the adjusted scarf to ensure that sufficient hinge/holding wood is retained through the fell...if not then John Dees scenario would be very likely...



Now in all of this I would like to add (or rather repeat) some things...every single tree that we fell is different to the last one felled....we have to take into consideration the assessed strength of the wood tissues the amount of lean (if any) and if that can be managed without canopy/weight reduction. There is only so much redirection possible irrespective of the technique being used, when dealing with leaning trees, without control lines, wedges levers and jacks most of the serious leaning trees I have dealt with would not have been fellable in any direction other than the way they were leaning. Attempting to direct the fell even marginally against the existing lean of a tree rightfully is classified as a complex fell.

None of what I have understood to be Erics adjusted scarf (or gun!) contradicts the industry standards (as limited and basic as they are) in any significant way....although if i have misunderstood please enlighten me.

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Trees are poems that earth writes upon the sky,
We fell them down and turn them into paper,
That we may record our emptiness.
- Kahlil Gibran