Knotless rigging pine removal

Eric Frei · 29th March 2007, 11:32 PM

It's a big one at 56mb and 11mins

www.palmtreeservices.com.au/video/pine.wmv

TREE-SURFER · 30th March 2007, 03:58 AM

That's gonna take ages to DL (I'm still on Dial up)

Juno · 30th March 2007, 05:26 AM

Hey Ekka nice job.

I did one for two weeks ago.
For practis on my climbing course.

But what do you do whit the big wood?
Here we sell tot make planks of it.

greetz jeroen

Eric Frei · 30th March 2007, 07:03 AM

I loaded the trunk wood up on the truck with the Kanga and gonna dump it around the firewood guys house.

Not that it's much good for firewood.

TREE-SURFER · 30th March 2007, 08:38 AM

Excellent viddy Ekka, how long did it take you from start to finish to get that down?

TREE-SURFER · 30th March 2007, 09:02 AM

Juno, nice bit of kit you have there in your avator. Gives me an idea.

Eric Frei · 30th March 2007, 05:38 PM

Well, I think it took around 3 hours. But ...

It was the first time the groundy used a lowering device.

It was the second groundy's 2nd day.

There was a lot of communication and learning going on ... like letting it run, DOWN NOW (and I near got clobbered seen in the video), the lowering rope got a knot in it that got stuck whilst the section was up in the air, flicking the rope back up ETC ETC ... in other words a lot of BS was going on.

Also what a climber misses out on is some feedback, clearances, slews, loads etc so you also are more mentally drained coz you are thinking for 3 with little guidance from the ground. Also set up is all up to you, from what slings, pulleys, ropes etc ... where as a pro groundy would look at the tree and know what gear to get out.

So, tree down 3 hours in my circumstances, normally I would have put 2 on it but not this crew. Good ground guys can make or break you mentally, besides the physical part of the job you have to think defensively for poor lowering and stuff ups, like your life line twisted into the lowering rope but no-one says anything and you cant see it coz it's round the other side of the trunk.

Your lifeline is tangled onto a fence and stuck, you cannot move!

Your ropes are in the log bombing zone but no-one cares!

Yes, these are all the things edited out.

TREE-SURFER · 30th March 2007, 06:56 PM

Yeah, I have those problems too. Rope tangled up in the drop zone. Not releasing the load quick enough, so you end up getting hit. Worst 1 I had was a newbie stopped the load dead and the butt came back and hit my hand whilst holding onto the trunk. Just a few choice words normally makes them remember.

Knots are an ongoing issue for some, there is only 3 they need to remember really. Figure 8, running Bowline, and Marline spike. But the new lad is getting there.

allmarktree · 31st March 2007, 11:17 AM

Nice vid Ekka. But it wasnt a true knotless set up....you used a knot to tie the rigging block

allmarktree · 31st March 2007, 11:18 AM

Just pulling your rope.

Kevin · 31st March 2007, 12:07 PM

That was good footage/meterage .
Eric do you have any loopies for your blocks?

Eric Frei · 31st March 2007, 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by allmarktree

Nice vid Ekka. But it wasnt a true knotless set up....you used a knot to tie the rigging block

HA, gotcha ya, that was a cow hitch not a cow knot. lol

I have a wide range of endless loops, even a couple of NickfromWI ones, I just use them. We can buy loopies here, but they're expensive so I just use loops. I use a really big loop to cow hitch the block on, man I got loops thats go from 1m to 5m long ... I got it all covered with endless loops. And love them.

Hey, those flat tapes can be OK too but rope has weight to it which you can flick out.

newguy18 · 11th December 2007, 10:40 AM

hey Eric whats the name of the first song in this video?

Eric Frei · 11th December 2007, 05:36 PM

Collective Soul - Heavy.

Therrin · 11th December 2007, 08:09 PM

Awesome video Ekka,

Saw a couple of techniques I'd like to apply.
Keep the long ones comin! They're so much more satisfying than those little ones that last 20 seconds.

newguy18 · 11th December 2007, 10:33 PM

thanks Eric.

Ace Master · 13th December 2007, 07:31 PM

Ekka,nice

You are dead right Ekka, groundies can make or break you up in a big tree.You can be really mentally and physically drained after a big climb.I have been in a tree for 5 hours one day had lunch up there too, to big to came back down.. slept well that night tell you.A GRCS would have been handy for that job.....Keep up the good work

RC1 · 14th December 2007, 12:48 AM

Most enjoyable Eric, pretty tight spot that one.

What is you're helmet-camera setup? It looks as if its mounted on the centre of the helmet rather than to the side. Is it a wireless-independant unit or a recorder with a seperate plug-in lens, if so where/how do you carry the recorder?

thanks

Eric Frei · 14th December 2007, 06:09 AM

Here ya go.

http://www.treeworld.info/f7/my-came...p-inc-556.html

TREEMONKEY · 15th January 2008, 01:10 PM

nice video I use that technique myself including for speed lines with branches but i had a problem a loop melted from the muffler on my chain saw. i now carry a pouch for the loops instead of hanging off my harness. and bought rope with higher melting point.

arborcorp · 16th January 2008, 12:56 PM

Hello Ekka and the crew here,
Great videos, I think I've found one of the best sites on the net.
Really good watching your video and reading the chat.
Simon

newguy18 · 16th January 2008, 01:09 PM

Welcome Simon

Yes you found what myself and many others believe to be the best arborist forum out there.

Therrin · 16th January 2008, 01:15 PM

Hey Simon!

Welcome to Tree World.

Eric Frei · 16th January 2008, 01:33 PM

Howdy Simon

It's about sharing and showing, most days it feels like just another typical job ... then you video it etc, put it up and people like it. Different techniques perhaps, equipment, scenery whatever, if you have the chance to do that yourself go right ahead.

jim1nz · 16th January 2008, 08:29 PM

Hey Simon, where abouts in NZ are ya from?

29th March 2007, 11:32 PM	#1
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,994	Knotless rigging pine removal It's a big one at 56mb and 11mins www.palmtreeservices.com.au/video/pine.wmv __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Palm and Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

30th March 2007, 03:58 AM	#2
TREE-SURFER Mature tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Isle of Man,UK. Posts: 332	That's gonna take ages to DL (I'm still on Dial up) __________________ The Aerial Arborist Isle of Man Tree Surgeon\| All Aspects of Tree Work What experts say about TOPPING

30th March 2007, 07:03 AM	#4
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,994	I loaded the trunk wood up on the truck with the Kanga and gonna dump it around the firewood guys house. Not that it's much good for firewood. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Palm and Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

30th March 2007, 08:38 AM	#5
TREE-SURFER Mature tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Isle of Man,UK. Posts: 332	Excellent viddy Ekka, how long did it take you from start to finish to get that down? __________________ The Aerial Arborist Isle of Man Tree Surgeon\| All Aspects of Tree Work What experts say about TOPPING

30th March 2007, 09:02 AM	#6
TREE-SURFER Mature tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Isle of Man,UK. Posts: 332	Juno, nice bit of kit you have there in your avator. Gives me an idea. __________________ The Aerial Arborist Isle of Man Tree Surgeon\| All Aspects of Tree Work What experts say about TOPPING

30th March 2007, 05:26 AM	#3
Juno Sappling Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 28	Hey Ekka nice job. I did one for two weeks ago. For practis on my climbing course. But what do you do whit the big wood? Here we sell tot make planks of it. greetz jeroen

30th March 2007, 05:38 PM	#7
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,994	Well, I think it took around 3 hours. But ... It was the first time the groundy used a lowering device. It was the second groundy's 2nd day. There was a lot of communication and learning going on ... like letting it run, DOWN NOW (and I near got clobbered seen in the video), the lowering rope got a knot in it that got stuck whilst the section was up in the air, flicking the rope back up ETC ETC ... in other words a lot of BS was going on. Also what a climber misses out on is some feedback, clearances, slews, loads etc so you also are more mentally drained coz you are thinking for 3 with little guidance from the ground. Also set up is all up to you, from what slings, pulleys, ropes etc ... where as a pro groundy would look at the tree and know what gear to get out. So, tree down 3 hours in my circumstances, normally I would have put 2 on it but not this crew. Good ground guys can make or break you mentally, besides the physical part of the job you have to think defensively for poor lowering and stuff ups, like your life line twisted into the lowering rope but no-one says anything and you cant see it coz it's round the other side of the trunk. Your lifeline is tangled onto a fence and stuck, you cannot move! Your ropes are in the log bombing zone but no-one cares! Yes, these are all the things edited out. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Palm and Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

30th March 2007, 06:56 PM	#8
TREE-SURFER Mature tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Isle of Man,UK. Posts: 332	Yeah, I have those problems too. Rope tangled up in the drop zone. Not releasing the load quick enough, so you end up getting hit. Worst 1 I had was a newbie stopped the load dead and the butt came back and hit my hand whilst holding onto the trunk. Just a few choice words normally makes them remember. Knots are an ongoing issue for some, there is only 3 they need to remember really. Figure 8, running Bowline, and Marline spike. But the new lad is getting there. __________________ The Aerial Arborist Isle of Man Tree Surgeon\| All Aspects of Tree Work What experts say about TOPPING

31st March 2007, 11:17 AM	#9
allmarktree Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Albany, New York Posts: 116	Nice vid Ekka. But it wasnt a true knotless set up....you used a knot to tie the rigging block

31st March 2007, 11:18 AM	#10
allmarktree Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Albany, New York Posts: 116	Just pulling your rope.

31st March 2007, 12:07 PM	#11
Kevin Sappling Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 18	That was good footage/meterage . Eric do you have any loopies for your blocks?

11th December 2007, 10:40 AM	#13
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 4,948	Re: Knotless rigging pine removal hey Eric whats the name of the first song in this video? __________________ Have your say join us today. old schooler

11th December 2007, 05:36 PM	#14
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,994	Re: Knotless rigging pine removal Collective Soul - Heavy. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Palm and Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

11th December 2007, 08:09 PM	#15
Therrin Former Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Bakersfield, Ca Posts: 2,497	Re: Knotless rigging pine removal Awesome video Ekka, Saw a couple of techniques I'd like to apply. Keep the long ones comin! They're so much more satisfying than those little ones that last 20 seconds.

11th December 2007, 10:33 PM	#16
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 4,948	Re: Knotless rigging pine removal thanks Eric. __________________ Have your say join us today. old schooler

13th December 2007, 07:31 PM	#17
Ace Master Mature tree Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia, Vic, Melbourne Posts: 385	Re: Knotless rigging pine removal Ekka,nice You are dead right Ekka, groundies can make or break you up in a big tree.You can be really mentally and physically drained after a big climb.I have been in a tree for 5 hours one day had lunch up there too, to big to came back down.. slept well that night tell you.A GRCS would have been handy for that job.....Keep up the good work __________________ Website: The Mt Dandenong Ranges Tree Specialists YouTube: Ace Tree Master

14th December 2007, 12:48 AM	#18
RC1 Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Macclesfield England Posts: 188	Re: Knotless rigging pine removal Most enjoyable Eric, pretty tight spot that one. What is you're helmet-camera setup? It looks as if its mounted on the centre of the helmet rather than to the side. Is it a wireless-independant unit or a recorder with a seperate plug-in lens, if so where/how do you carry the recorder? thanks

14th December 2007, 06:09 AM	#19
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,994	Re: Knotless rigging pine removal Here ya go. http://www.treeworld.info/f7/my-came...p-inc-556.html __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Palm and Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

15th January 2008, 01:10 PM	#20
TREEMONKEY Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: ONTARIO, CANADA Posts: 93	Re: Knotless rigging pine removal nice video I use that technique myself including for speed lines with branches but i had a problem a loop melted from the muffler on my chain saw. i now carry a pouch for the loops instead of hanging off my harness. and bought rope with higher melting point.

16th January 2008, 12:56 PM	#21
arborcorp Sappling Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Zealand Posts: 5	Re: Knotless rigging pine removal Hello Ekka and the crew here, Great videos, I think I've found one of the best sites on the net. Really good watching your video and reading the chat. Simon

16th January 2008, 01:09 PM	#22
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 4,948	Re: Knotless rigging pine removal Welcome SimonYes you found what myself and many others believe to be the best arborist forum out there. __________________ Have your say join us today. old schooler

16th January 2008, 01:15 PM	#23
Therrin Former Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Bakersfield, Ca Posts: 2,497	Re: Knotless rigging pine removal Hey Simon! Welcome to Tree World.

16th January 2008, 01:33 PM	#24
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,994	Re: Knotless rigging pine removal Howdy Simon It's about sharing and showing, most days it feels like just another typical job ... then you video it etc, put it up and people like it. Different techniques perhaps, equipment, scenery whatever, if you have the chance to do that yourself go right ahead. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Palm and Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

16th January 2008, 08:29 PM	#25
jim1nz Mature tree Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: International, Germany Posts: 473	Re: Knotless rigging pine removal Hey Simon, where abouts in NZ are ya from?

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