Knotless rigging pine removal

Ekka · 29th March 2007, 05:32 AM

It's a big one at 56mb and 11mins

www.palmtreeservices.com.au/video/pine.wmv

TREE-SURFER · 29th March 2007, 09:58 AM

That's gonna take ages to DL (I'm still on Dial up)

Juno · 29th March 2007, 11:26 AM

Hey Ekka nice job.

I did one for two weeks ago.
For practis on my climbing course.

But what do you do whit the big wood?
Here we sell tot make planks of it.

greetz jeroen

Ekka · 29th March 2007, 01:03 PM

I loaded the trunk wood up on the truck with the Kanga and gonna dump it around the firewood guys house.

Not that it's much good for firewood.

TREE-SURFER · 29th March 2007, 02:38 PM

Excellent viddy Ekka, how long did it take you from start to finish to get that down?

TREE-SURFER · 29th March 2007, 03:02 PM

Juno, nice bit of kit you have there in your avator. Gives me an idea.

Ekka · 29th March 2007, 11:38 PM

Well, I think it took around 3 hours. But ...

It was the first time the groundy used a lowering device.

It was the second groundy's 2nd day.

There was a lot of communication and learning going on ... like letting it run, DOWN NOW (and I near got clobbered seen in the video), the lowering rope got a knot in it that got stuck whilst the section was up in the air, flicking the rope back up ETC ETC ... in other words a lot of BS was going on.

Also what a climber misses out on is some feedback, clearances, slews, loads etc so you also are more mentally drained coz you are thinking for 3 with little guidance from the ground. Also set up is all up to you, from what slings, pulleys, ropes etc ... where as a pro groundy would look at the tree and know what gear to get out.

So, tree down 3 hours in my circumstances, normally I would have put 2 on it but not this crew. Good ground guys can make or break you mentally, besides the physical part of the job you have to think defensively for poor lowering and stuff ups, like your life line twisted into the lowering rope but no-one says anything and you cant see it coz it's round the other side of the trunk.

Your lifeline is tangled onto a fence and stuck, you cannot move!

Your ropes are in the log bombing zone but no-one cares!

Yes, these are all the things edited out.

TREE-SURFER · 30th March 2007, 12:56 AM

Yeah, I have those problems too. Rope tangled up in the drop zone. Not releasing the load quick enough, so you end up getting hit. Worst 1 I had was a newbie stopped the load dead and the butt came back and hit my hand whilst holding onto the trunk. Just a few choice words normally makes them remember.

Knots are an ongoing issue for some, there is only 3 they need to remember really. Figure 8, running Bowline, and Marline spike. But the new lad is getting there.

allmarktree · 30th March 2007, 05:17 PM

Nice vid Ekka. But it wasnt a true knotless set up....you used a knot to tie the rigging block

allmarktree · 30th March 2007, 05:18 PM

Just pulling your rope.

Kevin · 30th March 2007, 06:07 PM

That was good footage/meterage .
Eric do you have any loopies for your blocks?

Ekka · 30th March 2007, 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by allmarktree

Nice vid Ekka. But it wasnt a true knotless set up....you used a knot to tie the rigging block

HA, gotcha ya, that was a cow hitch not a cow knot. lol

I have a wide range of endless loops, even a couple of NickfromWI ones, I just use them. We can buy loopies here, but they're expensive so I just use loops. I use a really big loop to cow hitch the block on, man I got loops thats go from 1m to 5m long ... I got it all covered with endless loops. And love them.

Hey, those flat tapes can be OK too but rope has weight to it which you can flick out.

newguy18 · 10th December 2007, 04:40 PM

hey Eric whats the name of the first song in this video?

Ekka · 10th December 2007, 11:36 PM

Collective Soul - Heavy.

Therrin · 11th December 2007, 02:09 AM

Awesome video Ekka,

Saw a couple of techniques I'd like to apply.
Keep the long ones comin! They're so much more satisfying than those little ones that last 20 seconds.

newguy18 · 11th December 2007, 04:33 AM

thanks Eric.

Ace Master · 13th December 2007, 01:31 AM

Ekka,nice

You are dead right Ekka, groundies can make or break you up in a big tree.You can be really mentally and physically drained after a big climb.I have been in a tree for 5 hours one day had lunch up there too, to big to came back down.. slept well that night tell you.A GRCS would have been handy for that job.....Keep up the good work

29th March 2007, 05:32 AM	#1 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,943	Knotless rigging pine removal It's a big one at 56mb and 11mins www.palmtreeservices.com.au/video/pine.wmv __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding and Stump Removal Brisbane Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations, Developer, Tree and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

29th March 2007, 09:58 AM	#2 (permalink)
TREE-SURFER Mature tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Isle of Man,UK. Posts: 410	That's gonna take ages to DL (I'm still on Dial up) __________________ The Aerial Arborist Isle of Man Tree Surgeon\| All Aspects of Tree Work Andy@Aerial-Arborist.co.uk What experts say about TOPPING

29th March 2007, 01:03 PM	#4 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,943	I loaded the trunk wood up on the truck with the Kanga and gonna dump it around the firewood guys house. Not that it's much good for firewood. __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding and Stump Removal Brisbane Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations, Developer, Tree and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

29th March 2007, 02:38 PM	#5 (permalink)
TREE-SURFER Mature tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Isle of Man,UK. Posts: 410	Excellent viddy Ekka, how long did it take you from start to finish to get that down? __________________ The Aerial Arborist Isle of Man Tree Surgeon\| All Aspects of Tree Work Andy@Aerial-Arborist.co.uk What experts say about TOPPING

29th March 2007, 03:02 PM	#6 (permalink)
TREE-SURFER Mature tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Isle of Man,UK. Posts: 410	Juno, nice bit of kit you have there in your avator. Gives me an idea. __________________ The Aerial Arborist Isle of Man Tree Surgeon\| All Aspects of Tree Work Andy@Aerial-Arborist.co.uk What experts say about TOPPING

29th March 2007, 11:26 AM	#3 (permalink)
Juno Sappling Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 29	Hey Ekka nice job. I did one for two weeks ago. For practis on my climbing course. But what do you do whit the big wood? Here we sell tot make planks of it. greetz jeroen

29th March 2007, 11:38 PM	#7 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,943	Well, I think it took around 3 hours. But ... It was the first time the groundy used a lowering device. It was the second groundy's 2nd day. There was a lot of communication and learning going on ... like letting it run, DOWN NOW (and I near got clobbered seen in the video), the lowering rope got a knot in it that got stuck whilst the section was up in the air, flicking the rope back up ETC ETC ... in other words a lot of BS was going on. Also what a climber misses out on is some feedback, clearances, slews, loads etc so you also are more mentally drained coz you are thinking for 3 with little guidance from the ground. Also set up is all up to you, from what slings, pulleys, ropes etc ... where as a pro groundy would look at the tree and know what gear to get out. So, tree down 3 hours in my circumstances, normally I would have put 2 on it but not this crew. Good ground guys can make or break you mentally, besides the physical part of the job you have to think defensively for poor lowering and stuff ups, like your life line twisted into the lowering rope but no-one says anything and you cant see it coz it's round the other side of the trunk. Your lifeline is tangled onto a fence and stuck, you cannot move! Your ropes are in the log bombing zone but no-one cares! Yes, these are all the things edited out. __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding and Stump Removal Brisbane Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations, Developer, Tree and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

30th March 2007, 12:56 AM	#8 (permalink)
TREE-SURFER Mature tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Isle of Man,UK. Posts: 410	Yeah, I have those problems too. Rope tangled up in the drop zone. Not releasing the load quick enough, so you end up getting hit. Worst 1 I had was a newbie stopped the load dead and the butt came back and hit my hand whilst holding onto the trunk. Just a few choice words normally makes them remember. Knots are an ongoing issue for some, there is only 3 they need to remember really. Figure 8, running Bowline, and Marline spike. But the new lad is getting there. __________________ The Aerial Arborist Isle of Man Tree Surgeon\| All Aspects of Tree Work Andy@Aerial-Arborist.co.uk What experts say about TOPPING

30th March 2007, 05:17 PM	#9 (permalink)
allmarktree Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Albany, New York Posts: 132	Nice vid Ekka. But it wasnt a true knotless set up....you used a knot to tie the rigging block

30th March 2007, 05:18 PM	#10 (permalink)
allmarktree Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Albany, New York Posts: 132	Just pulling your rope.

30th March 2007, 06:07 PM	#11 (permalink)
Kevin Sappling Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 19	That was good footage/meterage . Eric do you have any loopies for your blocks?

10th December 2007, 04:40 PM	#13 (permalink)
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Live Oak Florida home of the crapiest trees you will ever see. Posts: 2,683	Re: Knotless rigging pine removal hey Eric whats the name of the first song in this video? __________________ Have your say join us today. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzkd_m4ivmc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzfzb...eature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-OqK...eature=related

10th December 2007, 11:36 PM	#14 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,943	Re: Knotless rigging pine removal Collective Soul - Heavy. __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding and Stump Removal Brisbane Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations, Developer, Tree and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

11th December 2007, 02:09 AM	#15 (permalink)
Therrin The Tree World Bandit Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Lancaster, Ca Posts: 1,273	Re: Knotless rigging pine removal Awesome video Ekka, Saw a couple of techniques I'd like to apply. Keep the long ones comin! They're so much more satisfying than those little ones that last 20 seconds. __________________ Ken Fessia I.T.S.A. Tree Service (661) 916-4703

11th December 2007, 04:33 AM	#16 (permalink)
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Live Oak Florida home of the crapiest trees you will ever see. Posts: 2,683	Re: Knotless rigging pine removal thanks Eric. __________________ Have your say join us today. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzkd_m4ivmc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzfzb...eature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-OqK...eature=related

13th December 2007, 01:31 AM	#17 (permalink)
Ace Master Mature tree Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia, Vic, Melbourne Posts: 276	Re: Knotless rigging pine removal Ekka,nice You are dead right Ekka, groundies can make or break you up in a big tree.You can be really mentally and physically drained after a big climb.I have been in a tree for 5 hours one day had lunch up there too, to big to came back down.. slept well that night tell you.A GRCS would have been handy for that job.....Keep up the good work