Kailas Video

kailas · 6th April 2008, 11:49 AM

Hi Ekka and thanks for the welcome,
i will try to post some nice pics, before i have to resize them..

sorry me too for my english, I see sometimes you speak so strange and is also difficult to understand your joke, what to do!! we have different language!..
but you cannot understand if I speak italian...
vero che non capite una mazza se parlo italiano!
hihi

in the while see this video

YouTube - Abbattimento Faggio - tree felling

we just made it few days ago, a beech in my friend garden, it took several fungi in the last few years and it was time to cut it down, butit was the king odf the garden so we decide to leave the last 6 meter up, (Tree topping!!) we'd like to make his life little bit longer..

See you
Kailas

newguy18 · 6th April 2008, 05:26 PM

You didn't really top that tree did you?

kailas · 6th April 2008, 05:31 PM

No, I mean, ... upper part was dying, we left the bottom and three lower branches to live on how he can.. it's like the last part of his life...

newguy18 · 6th April 2008, 05:33 PM

Thats topping,that is really bad for the tree.You should have removed it completly.Brace your self everyone will be riding you like seabuscuit here shortly.

kailas · 6th April 2008, 05:41 PM

newguy18 · 6th April 2008, 06:01 PM

Whats so funny?I'm serious about everyone getting on your case about topping.
Anti Topping Campaign
Why Topping? + Dead Wooding| Dead Wood
Isle of Man Tree Surgery| Aerial Arborist
Help stop school tree topping
you can obviously see we are against tree topping,hatracking,or other techniques that will in effect do more harm or kill trees.the rest of the crew should be here any minute.

JohN Dee · 6th April 2008, 07:59 PM

Parlare la lingua troppo, mi learn't un po 'di italiano in an 7, ma non procedere in un secondo momento i miei anni di highschool per saperne di più.

Hmm, was that a humboldt scarf that you used to bring it over?

Seems ok to me, as the top was dead and out the front of somebodies house, it was posing a big hazard. It'll probably die soon anyway from the look of it in the video.

If the tree does die, it shall make a nice habitat tree.

Ekka · 6th April 2008, 08:09 PM

Righteo everyone, calm!

I saw that video many times over and the top was dead as a door nail, stuffed.

With veteran and old tree management some unusual things happen, some rules get bent.

The top had to be cut down, bloody hazardous.

And if you look at the video you can see there's bugger all chance of drop crotching to a decent lateral.

Just below where he cut is a branch, I dare say he would be making a finished cut to that branch.

We talk about leaving habitat, snags etc. We talk about giving a few extra year of life. Such is old tree management if the client wants it.

I doubt, extremely doubt anything will grow back as it was dying anyway.

Take a look at this, anyone driving past might think we topped this tree.

Ekka's pics

This thread here also talks about why in some instances.

Why Topping? + Dead Wooding| Dead Wood

newguy18 · 6th April 2008, 09:08 PM

So its acceptable practice in cases where the trees dying anyway?just to give a few more years of life for the client?In that case i apologize to Kailas,sorry i didn't know it was alright in those instances,hope i didn't tick you off to badly man.

Ekka · 6th April 2008, 09:20 PM

Hmmm, acceptable, yeah sort of.

It's always debate-able to some degree. And then the old argument starts, well if it's good enough for that tree then what's the difference to doing it to a normal tree.

And 357 posts later people still dont agree.

It's part of management.

Listen, here's a real sensitive case. I had to cut and clear mangrove trees back from a construction barrier. The trees are sparse. There's nowhere to target cut some to ... it's just like a long bent branch coming out of the mud or the lateral you need to cut back to is dead. By the book I'm supposed to do what? On some I left stubs or a foliage less pole coz.

1/ you can always recut them
2/ if they reshot great, never pose a hazard as it was scrubby creek anyway.
3/ still something left

So another arborist walks by and yells "HACK". OK, lets target cut them then mate, oh, a lot of removals now eh? That's environmentally sound too in a mangrove forest.

kailas · 6th April 2008, 11:53 PM

Yeah, I'm very seriously against topping sound and healthy trees!!!

This and other case are definitly out of case , cause we need to resolve this danger situation, in few time the tree, or at least the left stem would be really hazard for the house.
We just decide to don't really remove all -..by now.., his presence will last for some time...years maybe dying slowly.
For veteran trees you have maybe different way to operate a certain case, for sure topping is harmful, and this one sure too, but the trees has gain himself a dangerous and haRMFUL situation that will force you to do this only to take him alive..
Other times maybe topping branches is acceptable as far as the lower branches cannot support the weight, cause of rotten trunk, and this is quite always after continuos and previous topping year after year, what remain is swiss cheese, with hole evrywhere..
you decide how to "treat" it, leave dangerous part?not for sure, or you can remove interely the tree, or at least if the tree is worth , or the customer want to preserv it anyway, you arre obliged to make "not nice cut" and use not proper professional arborist tecnic.
And I told you guys here in Italy around in the streets , in public areas and in little gardens is so sad to see tree in very poor situation.
Someday you will have to work with some of them.. and is really struggling situation for an arborist.
Sometimes removing sure is better..and replant a new tree, but sometimes you try to "do yr best" using the best practices.
on hard wood maybe the situation can be restabilized, letting grow a new branch to close and give support and new wood to the trunk, but depends on the vitality energy of the tree.
This one had multiple fungi attack and most in the roots system, so it is really weak, but we'll see what will happen to him.

I LOVE TREES WITH THEIR NATURAL SHAPE!

TOPPING KILL TREES!!

6th April 2008, 11:49 AM	#1 (permalink)
kailas Gettin' motoring Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: italy Posts: 17	Re: Welcome ..... Hi Ekka and thanks for the welcome, i will try to post some nice pics, before i have to resize them.. sorry me too for my english, I see sometimes you speak so strange and is also difficult to understand your joke, what to do!! we have different language!.. but you cannot understand if I speak italian... vero che non capite una mazza se parlo italiano! hihi in the while see this video YouTube - Abbattimento Faggio - tree felling we just made it few days ago, a beech in my friend garden, it took several fungi in the last few years and it was time to cut it down, butit was the king odf the garden so we decide to leave the last 6 meter up, (Tree topping!!) we'd like to make his life little bit longer.. See you Kailas

6th April 2008, 05:26 PM	#2 (permalink)
newguy18 Tree World Icon Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Live Oak Florida home of the crapiest trees you will ever see. Posts: 2,192	Re: Kailas Video You didn't really top that tree did you? __________________ Have your say join us today. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzkd_m4ivmc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzfzb...eature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-OqK...eature=related

6th April 2008, 05:31 PM	#3 (permalink)
kailas Gettin' motoring Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: italy Posts: 17	Re: Kailas Video No, I mean, ... upper part was dying, we left the bottom and three lower branches to live on how he can.. it's like the last part of his life...

6th April 2008, 05:33 PM	#4 (permalink)
newguy18 Tree World Icon Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Live Oak Florida home of the crapiest trees you will ever see. Posts: 2,192	Re: Kailas Video Thats topping,that is really bad for the tree.You should have removed it completly.Brace your self everyone will be riding you like seabuscuit here shortly. __________________ Have your say join us today. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzkd_m4ivmc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzfzb...eature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-OqK...eature=related

6th April 2008, 05:41 PM	#5 (permalink)
kailas Gettin' motoring Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: italy Posts: 17	Re: Kailas Video

6th April 2008, 06:01 PM	#6 (permalink)
newguy18 Tree World Icon Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Live Oak Florida home of the crapiest trees you will ever see. Posts: 2,192	Re: Kailas Video Whats so funny?I'm serious about everyone getting on your case about topping. Anti Topping Campaign Why Topping? + Dead Wooding\| Dead Wood Isle of Man Tree Surgery\| Aerial Arborist Help stop school tree topping you can obviously see we are against tree topping,hatracking,or other techniques that will in effect do more harm or kill trees.the rest of the crew should be here any minute. __________________ Have your say join us today. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzkd_m4ivmc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzfzb...eature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-OqK...eature=related

6th April 2008, 07:59 PM	#7 (permalink)
JohN Dee Astronaut Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 679	Re: Kailas Video Parlare la lingua troppo, mi learn't un po 'di italiano in an 7, ma non procedere in un secondo momento i miei anni di highschool per saperne di più. Hmm, was that a humboldt scarf that you used to bring it over? Seems ok to me, as the top was dead and out the front of somebodies house, it was posing a big hazard. It'll probably die soon anyway from the look of it in the video. If the tree does die, it shall make a nice habitat tree. __________________ Climber with slow climbing speed, must make up with mighty chainsaw roar. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Red : Green : Blue

6th April 2008, 08:09 PM	#8 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 5,669	Re: Kailas Video Righteo everyone, calm! I saw that video many times over and the top was dead as a door nail, stuffed. With veteran and old tree management some unusual things happen, some rules get bent. The top had to be cut down, bloody hazardous. And if you look at the video you can see there's bugger all chance of drop crotching to a decent lateral. Just below where he cut is a branch, I dare say he would be making a finished cut to that branch. We talk about leaving habitat, snags etc. We talk about giving a few extra year of life. Such is old tree management if the client wants it. I doubt, extremely doubt anything will grow back as it was dying anyway. Take a look at this, anyone driving past might think we topped this tree. Ekka's pics This thread here also talks about why in some instances. Why Topping? + Dead Wooding\| Dead Wood __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

6th April 2008, 09:08 PM	#9 (permalink)
newguy18 Tree World Icon Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Live Oak Florida home of the crapiest trees you will ever see. Posts: 2,192	Re: Kailas Video So its acceptable practice in cases where the trees dying anyway?just to give a few more years of life for the client?In that case i apologize to Kailas,sorry i didn't know it was alright in those instances,hope i didn't tick you off to badly man. __________________ Have your say join us today. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzkd_m4ivmc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzfzb...eature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-OqK...eature=related

6th April 2008, 09:20 PM	#10 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 5,669	Re: Kailas Video Hmmm, acceptable, yeah sort of. It's always debate-able to some degree. And then the old argument starts, well if it's good enough for that tree then what's the difference to doing it to a normal tree. And 357 posts later people still dont agree. It's part of management. Listen, here's a real sensitive case. I had to cut and clear mangrove trees back from a construction barrier. The trees are sparse. There's nowhere to target cut some to ... it's just like a long bent branch coming out of the mud or the lateral you need to cut back to is dead. By the book I'm supposed to do what? On some I left stubs or a foliage less pole coz. 1/ you can always recut them 2/ if they reshot great, never pose a hazard as it was scrubby creek anyway. 3/ still something left So another arborist walks by and yells "HACK". OK, lets target cut them then mate, oh, a lot of removals now eh? That's environmentally sound too in a mangrove forest. __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

6th April 2008, 11:53 PM	#11 (permalink)
kailas Gettin' motoring Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: italy Posts: 17	Re: Kailas Video Yeah, I'm very seriously against topping sound and healthy trees!!! This and other case are definitly out of case , cause we need to resolve this danger situation, in few time the tree, or at least the left stem would be really hazard for the house. We just decide to don't really remove all -..by now.., his presence will last for some time...years maybe dying slowly. For veteran trees you have maybe different way to operate a certain case, for sure topping is harmful, and this one sure too, but the trees has gain himself a dangerous and haRMFUL situation that will force you to do this only to take him alive.. Other times maybe topping branches is acceptable as far as the lower branches cannot support the weight, cause of rotten trunk, and this is quite always after continuos and previous topping year after year, what remain is swiss cheese, with hole evrywhere.. you decide how to "treat" it, leave dangerous part?not for sure, or you can remove interely the tree, or at least if the tree is worth , or the customer want to preserv it anyway, you arre obliged to make "not nice cut" and use not proper professional arborist tecnic. And I told you guys here in Italy around in the streets , in public areas and in little gardens is so sad to see tree in very poor situation. Someday you will have to work with some of them.. and is really struggling situation for an arborist. Sometimes removing sure is better..and replant a new tree, but sometimes you try to "do yr best" using the best practices. on hard wood maybe the situation can be restabilized, letting grow a new branch to close and give support and new wood to the trunk, but depends on the vitality energy of the tree. This one had multiple fungi attack and most in the roots system, so it is really weak, but we'll see what will happen to him. I LOVE TREES WITH THEIR NATURAL SHAPE! TOPPING KILL TREES!!

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