How NOT too or......

Houthakker

Sorry guys, had to show you this, got to know about this through Dutch colleagues.

Jeff Darby

They got them down with no injuries, just!! no ppe period ! and I think the abatrist was wearing a push bike helmet? and the mechanical assist felling the bloke beside the machine nearly had his leg broken. I wish them all the best but I do think it is only a matter of time before some one gets hurt.

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Tony Knight

Agree with Jeff, time is not on their side. Just out of curiosity is there a US equivilent to our "Worksafe"? That ladder job.

Cheers Tony

Eric Frei

The ladder job

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Apocalypsse

Epic quote @ around the 4:30 mark; "We risk our lives so you don't have to". Sure are risking lives loading the crane like that with some of those branches.

WTF @ that ladder job, just wtf?! I think thats the worst thing I've seen to date by someone claiming to be an Arborist.

George Valentine

Interesting stuff, indeed...!

And while I would be happy to be working from that steal cage, I agree, his PPE and ground crew PPE, is practically non existent, they may run out of luck one day...!

When it comes to the long ladder use, I admit, is not as pretty and or "professional" as seeing someone climb a tree and work with ropes, however, is a reason why he got the steal cage made in the first place, and I'm sure, it as all to do with his age showing on his teeth and his ass being a little too damn heavy to climb with ropes, which I have no doubt, he know how and maybe used them, a long time ago when the body size, "shape" and strength were quite different, and on that point, I can relate well, as everyone know, as I repeatedly mention as one of my biggest disappointments, particularly when I made the decision to learn the art of tree rope climbing and work, even if only, for a couple of big trees that have been waiting for me for a long time...!

I can also agree that, regardless of the ladder use, I wouldn't recommend anyone to go up to such highest and tree size cuts, without and PPE, at least something to get him attached to the ladder, when both hands are needed on the saw, or other...!

I'm not sure, how many of you have done tree work from a long ladder, even if a light"er" carbon fibre, not like my last ladder use, with a very old ex-Electricity company hard-wood, "bitch" that weighs a bloody tonne....!
A 30' ladder in aluminium or fibre, are not as easy to work with as it may look, still, my only chance to reach those heights when needed, I wish I could afford a good motorized rope ascender...!

Some countries are a lot more relaxed in the rules and regulations required to conduct tree work of any kind, in those cases, is all up to the individual(s) doing it to equip themselves with some PPE, and while some countries pay good money for tree work, allowing those doing it, to be able to invest in some quality PPE and other helpful equipment, however, tree work in some countries is paid very poorly, (believe me I know...!), where PPE and anything that is not "absolutely" necessary to do the job, particularly if not required by law (even tough, most will short cut) will not be purchased as most will not be able to afford it anyway so, and while, ones life has different values depending of who and where you are, safety equipment is certainly a priority to them...!

This is not the case with this fellow in the video, as he is in the US and he doesn't have excuses, really, apart from the fact that, he may thing that he is "too good" now to worry about any of that safety stuff, and that maybe explain why the cemeteries are so full of "heroes" and "experts"...!, either way, I prefer to use my safety gear...!

Cheers
George

Tony Knight

Yeah I chuckled at that "We risk" quote, he reckons he feels nervous up the tree, I wonder if his subcouncious is telling him something?


G'day George, Merry Crissy (if your not Jewish or Muslim)

Whilst I sympathize with the ramifications of age and repetitive body strain over a lifetime in any physical industry its not excuse to adopt dangerous practices to get the job done. The tree worker (owner I presume) had 3 young fellers there, all look fit. It might be time for him to take an admin or supervise roll from the back of a hogger and have all the young fellas professionally trained up and working safely?

I take issue with more than just the ladder, no life line (fall arrest), the size of the section he took, no rigging or bull rope to assist, the second accent to reduce the holding wood so it would fall unassisted. Descending the ladder one handed with a TH saw in the other (in a hurry). Placement of the first saw in the tree fork, at best for a fall of 30 odd ft at worst it'll land on someones scone .

It wasn't that he used a ladder it was the way he used the ladder.

mmmmmm time to find the pudding

Tony

George Valentine

Hi Tony, Merry Christmas to you to mate, I'm certainly, absolutely, indisputably NOT, any of those religions...! and I agree with you that, the problem was not the use of the ladder, but how he used it, for sure...!

I also agree that he may should be training the young guys he had with him to go up the trees and do the work safely, but then and again, he may feel as the boss that he still has to prove to the young guys that he is still god doing all that, "ego" think, and quite common. I actually very familiar with that sort of mentality, of work hard instead of work smart, that explains why I burned out so young(ish). I come from an era where, I was reminded everyday that, "if you want the job done well, do it yourself...!" not smart though...!

Cheers
George

Houthakker

Problem is though when times gets worse, we have to deal with this kind of companies to make a living. They can be fairly cheap because tehy do not have to buy/check/renew a load of safetygear. I wounder though how many times thay either had to leave money behind or get their insurancecompany at their workingsite.

Tony Knight

These mobs are around all the time, the issue as I see it is that when times get tougher economically for clients then their choices are lessoned to get a job done. These "dodgy" mobs exploit those that can't afford the fair and reasonable amount a qualified professional would charge, or work for those that don't care of the risk to life or property and just want the cheapest job done. The later are morons.

Eric Frei

It could well be an assumption that this guy was cheap, for all we know he may not be.

It's rare to see a truck over there without the big USA flag, maybe patriots care not about safety and love the AMERICAN TREE, AMERICAN TREE DOCTOR and AMERICAN TREE AND SHRUB bullshit ... then add to that the ole airforce, navy marines army along the bottom and you'd be whipping a frenzy eh.

He also is not an ISA cert arb (according to a search on ISA website), and with little other choice over there it pretty much means he aint an arborist, just another tree cutter with gear.... and gear is dirt cheap over there like land and houses.

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Tony Knight

Yeah, I did wonder about the truck signage, I surmised he may have been X military? Anyway it appears that we are not the only ones throwing doubt on his ethics, competency and proficiency.

From his Youtube coments.

I like the "destined for the dirt blanket" comment has a ring of accuracy and finality to it.

Cheers


Tony

KevinE

Where do you start on what's wrong here; no life line, lots of tear cutting without scarfing, standing on the bad (down) side while back cutting the felling cut, VERY close scarf on the felling cut, using a soft sling on the crane to lower branches, yadda, yadda, yadda..............

And, while I'm at it, I'm a bit over all of the whining about age being an excuse, it's NOT! I'm at least as old as him (3 adult kids & 6 grandchildren) & I reckon that I've lived pretty hard. No way I'd do that BS he's doing! In fact, at my age, I'm currently learning how to climb properly!

End of rant!..............

Darrell Mcleod

Totally agree

George Valentine

Kevin..., have you just said that...???

And there we go, what do I know...!

PS: Oh... and sorry but I reckon, age has a lot do with with grey hair, belly and "mojo" particularly when playing young fellow games...!

Cheers
George

KevinE

George, most of the time I've used a contract climber. Now, I'm giving it a go myself. So I'm doing it properly mate.

Done it

A couple of pictures of these times would be interesting as well.

Darrell Mcleod

Age has nothing to do with belly at all

Apocalypsse

Totally I agree with that! I look half pregnant with my belly :P

rbtree

Wow. Just wow.

The ladder move Was the best. Saw and commented on it a while ago.

Just saw the crane vid...Geesh. The basket use was a joke.... slowed the work way down..it was plenty safe to have climbed to the dead limbs, or maybe he doesn't know how. Judging by how sloppy he looked when he was trying to move around, that's prolly it. .....

And the first pick that flipped was, oh my....

Jeff Darby

One comment I will make is there are a lot of professional Arborists on this forum, who know what it takes to cut the mustard out there dealing with trees and surviving so if you can not take feedback do not comment unless it keeps this thread on topic !

moving on...

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Eric Frei

Some posts have been moderated, if it is one of yours then I hope you know why. No-ones in trouble etc just move along and stay on the topic.

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