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11th May 2007, 02:02 AM
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| Admin - Dip Arb & Hort  Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane
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|  Gonna crane these palms out. This is waterfront Brisbane and a bowls club wants these weeds out. They're huge and huge heads on them. Check out the size of the heads and fronds compared to the sails and stuff. Loaded with crap too, way dangerous and disgusting. Cant believe they actually kept them this long. Beneath is a full house. So we are going to crane out. Forget blocking or anything on these, just crazy. Lots of buggerizing around getting this job, permits to remove the weeds as WAV VPO and permits to access and set up crane in bikeway. Council permits through and traffic control req'd etc, but all is good and approved. The crane guys went out and suggest 35T slew, nab the 3 from one set up. There's concern about inverting if we chain under the head, so we are going to tag line them off a porty attached to the stump and cut just above. Two chains under the head opposing so we get straight lifts, cant have wayward butt's into structures. Anyway, job is on Tuesday coming. VIDEO IS IN POST 12
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11th May 2007, 04:50 AM
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| Veteran Heritage Status  Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Sydney
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| Charge of the Chit stick Mob Ekka, Make sure you take your camera there's bound to be some good photo's waiting to be had at this site,man their ugly buggers! There must be near on a load in the big palm on the left. Some of the torpedo's would kill you if they hit for sure. Hope it all go's well for you's.Kill em kill em all  |
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11th May 2007, 11:16 PM
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| Over mature heritage tree  Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Australia
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| Stright into a 18" chipper?
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12th May 2007, 05:45 AM
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| No, the heads are too large and will need cutting up, so we'll just lie them down and get the crane outta the way 1st. Then dice them up and the 18" chipper backs in, WELLA.  Only Jim and I will be on the job and the wall makes it bit of a bugger, we really need a third man down the bottom ... and a fourth man on the video camera .... sheeesh, never enough hands on deck eh.  |
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13th May 2007, 04:53 AM
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| Woweee! That job looks like it's gunna be heaps of fun. Be sure to take a few pics Ekka. Good luck and be safe mate.
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13th May 2007, 11:48 PM
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| Using 2 sets of chains oposed to each other will take away much inverting.
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14th May 2007, 12:36 AM
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| Mature tree  Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Tauranga, New Zealand
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| Too true Jason. We are also going to set up a porty from the base of the palms to the piece being lifted out ensure the dont invert, just to be on the safe side.
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15th May 2007, 04:52 AM
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| Haha We did it. They sent a 55T crane to. But didn't do it the way we liked.  You see, the crane guys sent their dogger dude who had different ideas to us. We were over ruled, and frankly it sucked. No 2 chains for a straight lift. The dogger insisted on a half hitch under the head and a girth hitch/chain toward the bottom. This means tilting. He was paranoid about it inverting, however his idea wouldn't prevent inverting. Simply putting a half hitch in the chain below the head and a girthed end further down wont stop inverting. Our tag line on the but helped control it extremely well and the guy was impressed but not budging. So, my advice is get your doggers ticket so you can do it your way. Also, the crane had 40m boom without fly. He could have set up in the middle and nabbed the three but no, didn't happen. So 2 set ups easily ate away 1hour. It takes ages to set up. At full boom, boom at 45 degrees he could have lifted 2.5ton ... but no way was it that far. The heaviest palm was 1.6T On the positive side they were punctual, organised all the paperwork and traffic control, easy going guys. Their bill was close to $1100 Anyway, I told you these were big. For those of you who know palms check this out. Jim is 6' tall.  |
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15th May 2007, 05:14 AM
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| Over mature heritage tree  Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia.
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| Good one ekka, at least its done, every one is safe and hopefully you made a $ or 2  The things you pointed out are partly the reason ive not used cranes on many "craneable" jobs. The time they diddle around and tell you all the stuff they cant do, mainly due to little or no tree experience, you could've just about done the job anyway. Yeah a bit longer, but the crane fee is in your pocket instead. Ive only used em on dodgy part fallen onto target type trees. The real monsters that ive quoted that i thought really needed a crane and priced accordingly i never get coz someone else will do it without it cheaper. |
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15th May 2007, 05:17 AM
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| Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia.
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| And either Jim is really a midget and your kanga a tonka toy or.... That is one big palm seed pod  Now there must be more pics somewhere, off i go...................... |
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15th May 2007, 05:10 PM
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16th May 2007, 12:11 AM
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| Good work as usuall men,they can really hang on by a thread sometimes, If you wanted it to hang on the bugger would break and look out below! Those heads must have been at least 10' long, Imagine Joe Hack comes along and quotes $40 each to clean these buggers.3 more bad boys meet their fate! All The Best JayD  |
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16th May 2007, 02:07 AM
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| Great job Ekka, great vid too, that dogman would have given me the preverbial why he could not see the tag line doing more than the second chain lower on the stem!!!??? beats me, haven't come across that kind of dogmen yet (touch wood..taps head) Used exactly that cutting technique few weeks back craning small Peltophorum out from Jezzine barracks up here worked well (also under cut it!) Nice smooth work setting the chains Jim, was that an adjustable FC on the stem? (envy apparent)
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16th May 2007, 05:37 AM
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| Mature tree Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Tauranga, New Zealand
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| Yea its my rope guide, was so much faster and safer than spiking down! All retrievable no worries, the dogman was impressed anyway. That job was a bit of a bugger actually, didn't go the way we wanted. The dogman had the radio and sole unconditional contact with the crane driver which was good but he would not listen to anything we said! His chain rigging system was a joke, there is NO WAY it was going to stop the palms inverting. By adding the half hitch, it slowed my set up time in the tree down and had it inverted, the half hitch would have done nothing but slip all the way down the palm as it was set the wrong way around!  If it haven't been for our butt rope system and it did invert, whos fault is it then? We were just doing the cutting... My cuts were a bit buggered up by the way the crane was putting tension on the palms, due to one attachment point, so after the first one i had to instantly change the way i finished the cut. I think Ekkas step cut on the last one worked best as it was easier to over lap the cuts by a lot. The bloke wouldn't put any more than 100 or 200 kgs over the weight of the palm on the crane so there was NO way they could break any sort of hinge wither in be 5mm thick. Anyway all went really well in the end, safe, smooth and controlled (by our butt rope) and another job is done. 
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