A few vids

TreeBot · 20th August 2008, 06:07 PM

Nothing special, just got a camera that does video so I am just getting warmed up. You better look out Ekka

JohN Dee · 25th August 2008, 06:15 PM

I watched your dead elm tree felling video... Jeebus

Few pointers, keep ya chain sharp! Honing it a few times a day is much better and much easier then fighting it when it is blunt/dull.

The tie in should have been higher on that tag line to maximise all use of the leverage you could have had over that tree, rather then your groundy busting his ass off to swing the winch and you having to enter the kill zone numerous times over.

Last but not so obvious, when you tied that timber hitch and the GRCS to the pressumably live tree, did you consider that you may be girdling it and harming its health? If ya wanna use a live tree that's all good just grab a few small logs (dollies) and stuff them behind the straps/rope that way it wont girdle it completely and will lessen the negative impact on the live tree.

I don't think Ekka has to watch out anytime soon

(maybe distant future), you produce an entertaining video to watch

, but Ekka demonstrates great technique in his videos.

Don't feel as if i'm trying to jump down ya throat here (cuz' Im not), I just wanna help you improve your technique with these pointers so we can all see your improvements in your next videos (and see you work easier

)

.

Have a good one,
JohN Dee

TreeBot · 26th August 2008, 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohN Dee

I watched your dead elm tree felling video... Jeebus

Few pointers, keep ya chain sharp! Honing it a few times a day is much better and much easier then fighting it when it is blunt/dull.

That was a new chain actually. There was loose dead bark all around that I probably should have cleared but didn't really need too, I assume that you heard that and thats why you thought the saw was dull.

Quote:

The tie in should have been higher on that tag line to maximise all use of the leverage you could have had over that tree, rather then your groundy busting his ass off to swing the winch and you having to enter the kill zone numerous times over.

Yes I know about leverage, I had planned to go up the tree again to finish but then looked and saw that I could drop it. I'd rather have him bust his ass than climb back up the tree. Besides he loves powering the winch, lol. There was nothing crucial at all about that pull, I was just dropping it about 45 degrees off of the lean to avoid the ends of a few tree branches on trees that the customer doesn't even care about.

Quote:

Last but not so obvious, when you tied that timber hitch and the GRCS to the pressumably live tree, did you consider that you may be girdling it and harming its health? If ya wanna use a live tree that's all good just grab a few small logs (dollies) and stuff them behind the straps/rope that way it wont girdle it completely and will lessen the negative impact on the live tree.

That tree is almost completly dead anyway but that is a good idea. I Always figured the pressure was spread out enough as it was, but more surface area wouldn't hurt. Thanks for the tip.

JohN Dee · 27th August 2008, 07:38 AM

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That was a new chain actually. There was loose dead bark all around that I probably should have cleared but didn't really need too, I assume that you heard that and thats why you thought the saw was dull.

To tell ya the truth, there is no sound installed on this comp yet, so I couldn't hear anything. Just seemed like you were taking forever cutting it. A quick brush and scrape down could have save you some hassles - should have been identified in your HACP.

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Yes I know about leverage, I had planned to go up the tree again to finish but then looked and saw that I could drop it. I'd rather have him bust his ass than climb back up the tree. Besides he loves powering the winch, lol. There was nothing crucial at all about that pull, I was just dropping it about 45 degrees off of the lean to avoid the ends of a few tree branches on trees that the customer doesn't even care about.

Lol alrighty. I've never used a GRCS, but how he was swinging on it looked like the handle was near fail point, if not, maybe some wear n tear on it - could have been avoided just for a little more of a climb

.

Anyways, I enjoy your vids so keep em coming.

Eric Frei · 27th August 2008, 08:21 PM

Treebot

Good on you for taking the time and making the video.

Your winching co-worker, what sort of helmet was that exactly? Maybe the Islamic hardhat??

I took this snap shot and my brain said to me ... hmmmm, why would you buggerise around with that GRCS and pull rope when you got a decent ute sitting there lined up with the first redirect pulley?

Also, I'd prefer to be driving the car rather than winding the winch.

Another little tip, back up with wedges, for safety sake. You'll see me often wedge even when having large trucks pulling.

I also know that the text book says 10% thick hingewood. You know, if the tree is 30" dia at the cut then 3" of hingewood. What we didn't see on that video was a close up of the hinge, what was left, what was the real scene at the tree ... try to do that, it will help you and us all understand what went on. And I know that the 10% rule is often broken, especially dead trees and tough buggers like our ironbarks.

Good on you again, and video some more, close ups, zoom in, post falling close ups, lets see them cuts, lets see what knots you tie etc.

letigre · 29th August 2008, 08:48 PM

my god was that painful to watch

. sorry mate im glad your contributing but jeez learn to make things easier on yourself and your workers. i just finished watching the dead elm removal and a couple of things striked me as odd.

john and ekka have both commented on your technique and they are 100% right. this job is hard enough as it is already without going and making it harder. aim of the game is to be safe efficent and make money, so you should alway be vigilant with your work methods altering them and improving them.

just a few quick things and ill leave you alone.

that fence at the end of the field there, was that a wire fence easily dismantled? if so a vehicle as ekka suggested could have been positioned there with wedge back ups. also it seems to me from the size of the section you felled that you could have fallen it in one, or cut to fit.

also whats with winching it over? thats a good way to over load your rope and your grcs. why not hurl a throw ball over a high fork like john suggested and get some leverage? also when you realised that it wasnt coming over easily why not bang some wedges in?

sorry mate i gotta ask. makes me chringe when people do things the hard way. thanks for contributing, you make up for slackers like myself that dont take the time to share. unfortunatley it opens you to, lets say 'constructive critisism'.

playfordtree · 29th August 2008, 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by letigre

... you make up for slackers like myself that dont take the time to share. unfortunatley it opens you to, lets say 'constructive critisism'.

...

Well said,

It's a lot easier to be in the audience and throw fruit, than to get on stage and entertain.

Jeff Darby · 29th August 2008, 10:58 PM

Once you put up your work for the public to view you have to take the good comments and the bad,The good comments allways make you feel good.

The bad ones,some take offence...But really it's a time to review your work and look and see if you too can see the points pointed out to you,And use this critque to make you more eficient and safer in what you do.

l commented on your techniques on you tube,To return to find them removed and l could no longer post.l knew you would recieve "advice" from the members of Treeworld.

Keep the video's coming listen to what has been pointed out because you will learn from the years of experience the members collectively have here.

All The Best
JayD

TreeBot · 31st August 2008, 08:50 AM

Sorry guys but that was the fastest way to do that particular tree on that day. For one you would need about a 6" tall wedge to back that up since I was pulling it over. Not that there is any need when that much hinge is left. And you are not gonna overload 20k lb rope with a GRCS. I didn't put the rope any higher because I didn't need to, I just told the groundy to get as much pull as he could and he went all out because he likes the workout. I will use a vehicle to pull stuff over sometimes but rarely something that big unless it is in addition to the GRCS, the winch is much safer. A vehicle is not as solid as that setup unless you block the hell out of the wheels. The GRCS was set up already from taking out the brush so it was easy as pie to add some pull to the force of gravity to get it to fall a bit off lean. Those thick short elms are hard to get going over, a very low center of gravity.

I guess since I posted it here people assumed it was meant to be some vocational training tool like EKKAs vids. It's not, just what I happened to be doing the first time I had a spare hand for my new camera.

20th August 2008, 06:07 PM	#1
TreeBot Sappling Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Kansas Posts: 45	A few vids Nothing special, just got a camera that does video so I am just getting warmed up. You better look out Ekka YouTube - KansasTreeCare's Channel

25th August 2008, 06:15 PM	#2
JohN Dee Moderator Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Climbing around the world Posts: 848	Re: A few vids I watched your dead elm tree felling video... Jeebus Few pointers, keep ya chain sharp! Honing it a few times a day is much better and much easier then fighting it when it is blunt/dull. The tie in should have been higher on that tag line to maximise all use of the leverage you could have had over that tree, rather then your groundy busting his ass off to swing the winch and you having to enter the kill zone numerous times over. Last but not so obvious, when you tied that timber hitch and the GRCS to the pressumably live tree, did you consider that you may be girdling it and harming its health? If ya wanna use a live tree that's all good just grab a few small logs (dollies) and stuff them behind the straps/rope that way it wont girdle it completely and will lessen the negative impact on the live tree. I don't think Ekka has to watch out anytime soon (maybe distant future), you produce an entertaining video to watch, but Ekka demonstrates great technique in his videos. Don't feel as if i'm trying to jump down ya throat here (cuz' Im not), I just wanna help you improve your technique with these pointers so we can all see your improvements in your next videos (and see you work easier) . Have a good one, JohN Dee __________________ We are what we repeatedly do... Excellence then, is not an act, but HABIT... Red : Green : Blue

27th August 2008, 08:21 PM	#5
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,994	Re: A few vids Treebot Good on you for taking the time and making the video. Your winching co-worker, what sort of helmet was that exactly? Maybe the Islamic hardhat?? I took this snap shot and my brain said to me ... hmmmm, why would you buggerise around with that GRCS and pull rope when you got a decent ute sitting there lined up with the first redirect pulley? Also, I'd prefer to be driving the car rather than winding the winch. Another little tip, back up with wedges, for safety sake. You'll see me often wedge even when having large trucks pulling. I also know that the text book says 10% thick hingewood. You know, if the tree is 30" dia at the cut then 3" of hingewood. What we didn't see on that video was a close up of the hinge, what was left, what was the real scene at the tree ... try to do that, it will help you and us all understand what went on. And I know that the 10% rule is often broken, especially dead trees and tough buggers like our ironbarks. Good on you again, and video some more, close ups, zoom in, post falling close ups, lets see them cuts, lets see what knots you tie etc. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Palm and Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

29th August 2008, 08:48 PM	#6
letigre Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 157	Re: A few vids my god was that painful to watch. sorry mate im glad your contributing but jeez learn to make things easier on yourself and your workers. i just finished watching the dead elm removal and a couple of things striked me as odd. john and ekka have both commented on your technique and they are 100% right. this job is hard enough as it is already without going and making it harder. aim of the game is to be safe efficent and make money, so you should alway be vigilant with your work methods altering them and improving them. just a few quick things and ill leave you alone. that fence at the end of the field there, was that a wire fence easily dismantled? if so a vehicle as ekka suggested could have been positioned there with wedge back ups. also it seems to me from the size of the section you felled that you could have fallen it in one, or cut to fit. also whats with winching it over? thats a good way to over load your rope and your grcs. why not hurl a throw ball over a high fork like john suggested and get some leverage? also when you realised that it wasnt coming over easily why not bang some wedges in? sorry mate i gotta ask. makes me chringe when people do things the hard way. thanks for contributing, you make up for slackers like myself that dont take the time to share. unfortunatley it opens you to, lets say 'constructive critisism'.

29th August 2008, 10:58 PM	#8
Jeff Darby Moderator - Previously known as JayD Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: TreeWorld, Sydney Australia Posts: 2,059	Re: A few vids Once you put up your work for the public to view you have to take the good comments and the bad,The good comments allways make you feel good. The bad ones,some take offence...But really it's a time to review your work and look and see if you too can see the points pointed out to you,And use this critque to make you more eficient and safer in what you do. l commented on your techniques on you tube,To return to find them removed and l could no longer post.l knew you would recieve "advice" from the members of Treeworld. Keep the video's coming listen to what has been pointed out because you will learn from the years of experience the members collectively have here. All The Best JayD __________________ Member: Australian Tree Association Join the Australian Tree Association...Have your voice heard ! Arboriculture, A life long study for some, a passing phase for others © Jeffrey J Darby 2011

31st August 2008, 08:50 AM	#9
TreeBot Sappling Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Kansas Posts: 45	Re: A few vids Sorry guys but that was the fastest way to do that particular tree on that day. For one you would need about a 6" tall wedge to back that up since I was pulling it over. Not that there is any need when that much hinge is left. And you are not gonna overload 20k lb rope with a GRCS. I didn't put the rope any higher because I didn't need to, I just told the groundy to get as much pull as he could and he went all out because he likes the workout. I will use a vehicle to pull stuff over sometimes but rarely something that big unless it is in addition to the GRCS, the winch is much safer. A vehicle is not as solid as that setup unless you block the hell out of the wheels. The GRCS was set up already from taking out the brush so it was easy as pie to add some pull to the force of gravity to get it to fall a bit off lean. Those thick short elms are hard to get going over, a very low center of gravity. I guess since I posted it here people assumed it was meant to be some vocational training tool like EKKAs vids. It's not, just what I happened to be doing the first time I had a spare hand for my new camera. __________________ www.KansasTreeCare.com Lawrence Kansas certified arborist, tree trimming, tree removal, stump grinding "Have you ever noticed that anybody driving slower than you is an idiot, and anyone going faster than you is a maniac?" George Carlin.

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