Draw| hook| clipping saw up

vl2007 · 5th March 2008, 01:56 PM

I've got to get me one of those chainsaw hooks. I use a carabiner now.

jim1nz · 5th March 2008, 04:51 PM

Hahaha hey Ekka did you put that micro pulley on ya harness just for the photo or what?

Im going to go a bit with both sides on this, i have heard of a good mate who just about got lifted off the top of a spar when he was craning a big section off, over cut and didnt realise until he was being hoisted up with the section because the saw was stuck in it.

I reckon a saw breakaway is important but it has to hold a 020 being dropped from less than half a meter.

Those aussie chainsaw strops like Ekkas got are the best i have ever used, real good stretchy cord and plenty long enough.

George Hayduke · 6th March 2008, 11:04 AM

Thirty five years ago when I started climbing I used a j-hook to hang my Mini Mac 6. Of course, no lanyards back then.

The j-hook was made from a galvanized strap that slips into the ends of chainlink fences to tension the fabric to the corner posts.

Very few new ideas---lots of rediscovery.

JayD · 6th March 2008, 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by George Hayduke

Thirty five years ago when I started climbing I used a j-hook to hang my Mini Mac 6. Of course, no lanyards back then.

The j-hook was made from a galvanized strap that slips into the ends of chainlink fences to tension the fabric to the corner posts.

Very few new ideas---lots of rediscovery.

Good observation, George, Just because it's an old idea doesn't mean it's still not a good idea thirty five years later, This hook is as simple as they come, I've done some thinking about this hook and there's really only one thing more that could be done IMO,....Can you or anyone else think what it might be?
It's just as simple as the first hook...What else could we do to make this a better tool?
Add your answers here and lets see what we come up with.

George Hayduke · 6th March 2008, 01:14 PM

JD,

Just spill the beans...what is your idea?

pomme · 6th March 2008, 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by quercus

Yup done that too... and then the saw flies off even if it doesn't get stuck. So you'd rather unclip it so it can plummit to the ground even if nothing goes wrong, then leave it clipped in and still let it break away when something does go wrong?

hmmmm....

have undone the saw from my belt a few time s never dropped it !!! tried an elastic tool strop didn t like that either. 3 strand rope for me. rarely have i clipped my saw to my harness only jumping from limb to limb but not as often as i get older. lol. proper training to see the danger and avoid problems is the answer

Ekka · 7th March 2008, 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JayD

It's just as simple as the first hook...What else could we do to make this a better tool?
Add your answers here and lets see what we come up with.

That's easy, what stops a hook coming out of a fishes mouth?

Ah HA!

So it drops on easy and lifts on easy without having to open gates like a biner it needs a small barb on the inside. This way if you were to invert or go sideways it wont easily slip out but likely get caught on the barb.

However at the same time if you grab the saw and lift it for use a jiggle etc should get it out no worries. The barb only needs to protrude the thickness of the ring on the lanyard, maybe 6mm will do it, and on a downward angle just like a fishing hook.

JayD · 8th March 2008, 12:05 AM

I'm loving this,With no trouble at all we have two mods

However this was not what I was thinking about

JayD's, Idea:Secret presently....(John knows but he's keeping it tight presently)
Ekka's, Add a small barb.

Come on have a go, let's see how we can make this ole tool heaps better.Have you observed something while climbing,Something that would help you in control your saw,make it easier to use...more versitile? I challenge you to come forward and add your idea.

George Hayduke · 12th March 2008, 07:14 AM

JayD,

OK...enough time has past...what is your idea?

playfordtree · 12th March 2008, 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JayD

I'm loving this,With no trouble at all we have two mods

However this was not what I was thinking about

JayD's, Idea:Secret presently....(John knows but he's keeping it tight presently)
Ekka's, Add a small barb.

Come on have a go, let's see how we can make this ole tool heaps better.Have you observed something while climbing,Something that would help you in control your saw,make it easier to use...more versitile? I challenge you to come forward and add your idea.

Either add another hook to the other side of your harness, as John suggested.

Or, somehow mount the hook to the saw and have a big ring mounted on the harness.

Other than those two ideas, i'm fresh out.

Fill us in JD, the suspense is killing me.

jim1nz · 12th March 2008, 06:24 PM

Oi thats a good idea Ekka! Im not down on the hook simply because there is a chance the saw could come out but i think a bit of a blunt barb would be great.

Ekka · 12th March 2008, 10:52 PM

Other problems with the hook are ...

1/ The lanyard gets/sits in it, making it hard to drop the ring on when there's the bungee there, so some rubbers on the bungee/strop to keep the ring clear.

2/ sometimes when you pick the saw up the ring goes up the inside of the hook and you aint getting the saw out, so a little vierticle piece down the bottom would prevent that.

That's it, I'm outta ideas for now, spill the beans Dee's

JayD · 16th March 2008, 01:39 AM

Hi Folks,
When you look at this simple tool it's just that! In saying that how do we mod it/improve some what. Ekka suggested a small hook to stop the saw from falling off, Very basic idea but still a good one so we add a hook.

My idea is also just as simple as the first, We make it out of aluminium, A minor gain but still a gain/mod.
Also I have noticed the the hook could be angled back slightly to give better positioning for the saw as it sits off the harness,This would help keep it more to the side and out of the way.

I hope this helps you blokes and I will be changing John's hook to this shortly and I will post pictures for you all to see.

So you see mods dont have to be Einstien type mods to be good. Simple ideas,The one's that make life a little easier up in the Tree's are are just as good as complex one's.

playfordtree · 16th March 2008, 09:21 PM

Ahhh...

Aluminium, of course.

That would be safer too JD

If a branch or something caught it, it would bend easily instead of ripping the ass out of your saddle.

Therrin · 17th March 2008, 01:18 AM

How 'bout a carbon fibre saw hook, aye?

JayD · 17th March 2008, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Therrin

How 'bout a carbon fibre saw hook, aye?

Sounds good to me, however I dont know how to work carbon fibre so its one for you Ken, Make one take pictures as you go, add instructions aswell....So we all can have a go! How much do the materials cost? and are they readily availble to Joe Blow?
While were going what about carbon fibre leg irons?

5th March 2008, 01:56 PM	#26 (permalink)
vl2007 Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Florida Keys Posts: 87	Re: Draw\| hook\| clipping saw up I've got to get me one of those chainsaw hooks. I use a carabiner now.

5th March 2008, 04:51 PM	#27 (permalink)
jim1nz Mature tree Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Tauranga, New Zealand Posts: 296	Re: Draw\| hook\| clipping saw up Hahaha hey Ekka did you put that micro pulley on ya harness just for the photo or what? Im going to go a bit with both sides on this, i have heard of a good mate who just about got lifted off the top of a spar when he was craning a big section off, over cut and didnt realise until he was being hoisted up with the section because the saw was stuck in it. I reckon a saw breakaway is important but it has to hold a 020 being dropped from less than half a meter. Those aussie chainsaw strops like Ekkas got are the best i have ever used, real good stretchy cord and plenty long enough. __________________ SPEED ALWAYS FOLLOWS TECHNIQUE

6th March 2008, 11:04 AM	#28 (permalink)
George Hayduke Banned Join Date: May 2007 Location: Slickrock, USA Posts: 93	Re: Draw\| hook\| clipping saw up Thirty five years ago when I started climbing I used a j-hook to hang my Mini Mac 6. Of course, no lanyards back then. The j-hook was made from a galvanized strap that slips into the ends of chainlink fences to tension the fabric to the corner posts. Very few new ideas---lots of rediscovery.

6th March 2008, 01:14 PM	#30 (permalink)
George Hayduke Banned Join Date: May 2007 Location: Slickrock, USA Posts: 93	Re: Draw\| hook\| clipping saw up JD, Just spill the beans...what is your idea?

8th March 2008, 12:05 AM	#33 (permalink)
JayD Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Sydney Posts: 885	Re: Draw\| hook\| clipping saw up I'm loving this,With no trouble at all we have two modsHowever this was not what I was thinking about JayD's, Idea:Secret presently....(John knows but he's keeping it tight presently) Ekka's, Add a small barb. Come on have a go, let's see how we can make this ole tool heaps better.Have you observed something while climbing,Something that would help you in control your saw,make it easier to use...more versitile? I challenge you to come forward and add your idea. __________________ Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory

12th March 2008, 07:14 AM	#34 (permalink)
George Hayduke Banned Join Date: May 2007 Location: Slickrock, USA Posts: 93	Re: Draw\| hook\| clipping saw up JayD, OK...enough time has past...what is your idea?

12th March 2008, 06:24 PM	#36 (permalink)
jim1nz Mature tree Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Tauranga, New Zealand Posts: 296	Re: Draw\| hook\| clipping saw up Oi thats a good idea Ekka! Im not down on the hook simply because there is a chance the saw could come out but i think a bit of a blunt barb would be great. __________________ SPEED ALWAYS FOLLOWS TECHNIQUE

12th March 2008, 10:52 PM	#37 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,846	Re: Draw\| hook\| clipping saw up Other problems with the hook are ... 1/ The lanyard gets/sits in it, making it hard to drop the ring on when there's the bungee there, so some rubbers on the bungee/strop to keep the ring clear. 2/ sometimes when you pick the saw up the ring goes up the inside of the hook and you aint getting the saw out, so a little vierticle piece down the bottom would prevent that. That's it, I'm outta ideas for now, spill the beans Dee's __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

16th March 2008, 01:39 AM	#38 (permalink)
JayD Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Sydney Posts: 885	Re: Draw\| hook\| clipping saw up Hi Folks, When you look at this simple tool it's just that! In saying that how do we mod it/improve some what. Ekka suggested a small hook to stop the saw from falling off, Very basic idea but still a good one so we add a hook. My idea is also just as simple as the first, We make it out of aluminium, A minor gain but still a gain/mod. Also I have noticed the the hook could be angled back slightly to give better positioning for the saw as it sits off the harness,This would help keep it more to the side and out of the way. I hope this helps you blokes and I will be changing John's hook to this shortly and I will post pictures for you all to see. So you see mods dont have to be Einstien type mods to be good. Simple ideas,The one's that make life a little easier up in the Tree's are are just as good as complex one's. __________________ Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory

16th March 2008, 09:21 PM	#39 (permalink)
playfordtree Mature tree Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Adelaide Australia Posts: 337	Re: Draw\| hook\| clipping saw up Ahhh... Aluminium, of course. That would be safer too JD If a branch or something caught it, it would bend easily instead of ripping the ass out of your saddle. __________________ I Drink Therefore I am.

17th March 2008, 01:18 AM	#40 (permalink)
Therrin The Tree World Bandit Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Lancaster, Ca Posts: 1,254	Re: Draw\| hook\| clipping saw up How 'bout a carbon fibre saw hook, aye? __________________ Ken Fessia I.T.S.A. Tree Service (661) 916-4703