Double Block Bucking

Streyken

Got to play groundie and camera man today, nice change. Here is a 12.5MB clip of how we buck the majority of wood, since it's going to end up as firewood anyway. Doing it this way you never have to put your saw down.
Double Blocking

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George Hayduke

That scares my pants off!

Second tie in?
One handing?
Chain brake?
Running saw laid across lanyard?

All of the alleged time you 'saved' will go away if/when you get injured/die.

I could only watch the first minute

Streyken

Good. Don't like it don't do it.

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Fairfield

ok ok... so if you had a second tie in in place and you used the break and what ever other things we all nit pick on, I think it was a very effective way of doing it.

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Streyken

Thanks Fairfield, I only posted it because I though others might find it interesting. I'm not trying to teach anyone anything. Second tie in isn't mandatory here in BC. I use a 91 strand 5/8th cable as my lanyard. I've never used a second tie for bucking and never will. Been doing this for 20 years (in July) now and have never seriously injured myself, never injured anyone else, and have never had an insurance or WC claim, but I guess I'm just lucky.

For those who want to criticize, until I see some of your work, you're just an armchair arborist, how can I take you seriously?

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Sean Freeman

Well before we all get into bashing Streyken for what we think he should or shouldn't do OH&S wise, lets just admit what we actually do on the job ourselves. (I've already said in the one handing thread that I do it even though I know there's other safer methods.) I think that the vid shows very clearly a very specific application of that technique used on a specific tree species. We don't buck fire wood here, its 22'C even in winter! The only pine species I've worked on are in state forestry and that was manual felling of dangerous trees impossible to harvest mechanically, I have done some pines down the Gold Coast way but they were babies compared to the trees Streyken is cutting.

I won't be adopting that technique, but I can absolutely understand why you use it, what I will say is that you make my loud complaints about carry a MS260 up the tree look very pathetic, I would struggle to be able to one hand your saw with that bar even if I did want to, let alone get each cut so level.

I don't have any video of my cutting, and its unlikely that I'll get any, photos are as good as I can do, so when I've got some I'll post them and you can see my methods/faults an all. Till then you'll just have to trust what I say is fact...thanks for posting the vid mate.

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We fell them down and turn them into paper,
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Streyken

That ain't one-handed bucking, this is: Left and right one-handed bucking action

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Trimmin' bush and caring for flowers is good 'n' all...
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Sean Freeman

Point taken, also the pics of the beetle hit pine TD are very good too esp the last one..throw it to me! throw it to me!

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Sean

Trees are poems that earth writes upon the sky,
We fell them down and turn them into paper,
That we may record our emptiness.
- Kahlil Gibran

Streyken

Thanks Boa. Just added my maple pics as well. My comments weren't directed specifically at you; I know you do tree work.

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TrevMcRev

Ok im not an armchair arborist either, but when ANYONE posts a vid or even a pic expect some critisism, or at least some questioning. The great thing about these forums is we see techniques, situations, gear, and species from the other side of the world we've never encounted before.

I dont mind your technique, and can think of times i might use it. For me though its unusal to do it just for the sake of cutting firewood in the tree. Thats what groudys are for. Unless i have to take small blocks at a time due to targets in dropzone i say get it down as big as possible. Either rig or fell out sections about 6 foot long and let the groundies cut it up.

Less time in the tree, especially in spurs, the better.

My only critisism is i reckon the bar is way oversized for the application, but im fussy about the right size saw for the wood im cutting. On a big removal i might switch from ms200(12-14") - 260(16") - 440/460(20/25") - 660(25/30+") as i get to bigger diameter stuff.

Good on ya for posting it, keep em coming. Like boa im stuck at pics at the moment but want to have some video soon.

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Streyken

Hey Trev, oh I defiantly expect criticism, just not from an engineer or programmer, etc., their opinion means less than nothing. Very seldom do we get the room to fall larger chunks, except in municipal green-belts; everyone here spends tons on their yards and gardens. I hate rolling/fiddling with logs and the groundie is usually cleaning something else up; I run a very small operation. Just got a chipper and had my first 2k day yesterday, just the wife and myself. Usually we'd use the 266 for something that small, but I ground the chain to nothing the other day and haven't had time to replace it.

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Trimmin' bush and caring for flowers is good 'n' all...
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TrevMcRev

Yeah cool i can definately see the sense in it if your on your own more or less.

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Ekka

Here's a link to Stryken's similar thread on one handing.

One Handed Chainsawing

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George Hayduke

Sooo...where is the criticism in my post? I said that it scares me, you do as you please. It must work for you because you've had years to perfect the technique. That sort of reasoning doesn't fly though. For centuries people thought that the earth was the center of the universe. Look what happened to the astronomers who proved that the sun was the center.

I'm not an engineer or programmer. I've been a full time arbo/climber for around 32 years. Started in treework years before thatMade my share of mistakes and had some accidents for sure. Does that quailify me to share an observation?

If you were under my supervision you can bet dollars to donuts that you wouldn't be doing that.

Streyken

Exactly it George, thanks. Hey, post some pics.

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Trimmin' bush and caring for flowers is good 'n' all...
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Tim Craig

That technique's as useless as rubber lips on a woodpecker

Thanks for posting the vid though!!!!

Streyken

LOL. Sort of like the vast majority of your posts, hey? Want me to take your opinion seriously, show some of your work where you have to buck 100' of 80cm + wood. Gotta remember that saying though, thanks.

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Trimmin' bush and caring for flowers is good 'n' all...
but sometimes ya gotta let the big wood fly and pound the garden.

Tim Craig