Double Block Bucking

Streyken · 17th June 2007, 01:21 AM

Very true Brad. Unless I really know and trust the groundie, I do all my own rigging and roping.

boreality · 24th June 2007, 07:58 PM

I tried the double buck and liked it so much I wish there was a triple buck.

Streyken · 25th June 2007, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by boreality

I tried the double buck and liked it so much I wish there was a triple buck.

Try it and let us know.

I won't say I've tried four, that would get me into real trouble!

Bernard Keays · 29th June 2007, 03:28 AM

Streyken....I'm a bit of an arm chair arborist these days but enjoyed your video. I haven't climbed for at least a month now but itching to get back into it. I use to do take downs like that in tight spots before I could lower with ropes. Just thought your climber was cutting a bit close to his flip line and personally I would prefer a smaller saw.

JohN Dee · 1st July 2007, 01:28 AM

I think the size of the saw and bar are great, think about it, all that power to go straight through, and the big ass bar minimizes the chance of a kick back.

I'd like to try it myself, but even when i'm normally bucking down now, i'm still very conscious about cutting into my tie in's...

treestyle · 18th July 2007, 02:09 AM

sorry George, but i'm not too sure that the sun is the centre of the universe either.

godavey · 10th September 2007, 03:25 PM

that looks strange i have never seen that method before

treefeller · 11th September 2007, 11:30 AM

Looks like an effective method, wont obviously be to everyones taste but im gonna give it ago, will use my steel spiking strop tho and my lanyard as a second, ill get some pics up when ive done one

cut-right · 8th March 2008, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Streyken

LOL. Sort of like the vast majority of your posts, hey? Want me to take your opinion seriously, show some of your work where you have to buck 100' of 80cm + wood. Gotta remember that saying though, thanks.

streyken, You were looking smooth on all of your cuts, didnt see any loss of control or indication of that technique not being safe. The big bar seemed to balance the saw laying on log.

cut-right · 8th March 2008, 06:35 PM

just read the last page of all replies to your video double chunking the pine tree.. Doing a good job of defending your position that doesnt even need defending. Whats up with these guys. A saftey record combined with yrs. exp. should tell them something. I think you know what your doing!

cut-right · 8th March 2008, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by boreality

Streyken my issue with your technique is what about the curious 10 year old boy who walks onto the worksite to check out the activity, and your throwing chunks without looking down or giving verbal warnings. I assume pedestrians are dumb, because they keep proving it. They walk around pylons under warning tape and are not used to looking up.

what? do you know where he is in this video. Then what are you commenting for. Really?

Streyken · 8th March 2008, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by cut-right

[...]The big bar seemed to balance the saw laying on log.

Thanks, Cut-right. I started using the bigger saw when the chain on Husky 266 got trashed and I didn't have the time to pickup a replacement. Now, I like the long bar so much, I use it for almost all my bucking, even when I don't need to.

boreality · 10th March 2008, 08:57 PM

Cut-right I like the double buck, but I like to have a glance at the ground before dropping a 30lb object from 50 feet. Accidents happen, and it only takes once.

quercus · 11th March 2008, 02:50 AM

I'll be adopting the double bucking tech too, looks great when using the 441 in the tree and never really thought about doing something like that... BUT...

I'll be using two tie-ins like I always do...
I'll be using a smaller bar because this one is a bit oversized for what we have here
I'll be using the chainbreak when I take my hands off of it...
I'll never ever let a saw bar touch my primary tie in, not even when in resting or chainbreaked condition... (the exhaust can melt the rope...)
I'll be looking down when I throw some blocks off...
I'll be holding the saw with two hands...

I'm used to cutting right through when blocking down... even with the 200T I do crossovers with my forearm, but I'm wearing chainsaw cut resistant sleeves all the time. Really I like the tech and already tried it on a big pine but...

The pics you posted about one handing the big saw gave me a bit of a scare though... The cinema inside my head displayed a film of a kick back with your forearm falling down while the large bar sliced and diced a piece out of your upper torso with lungs falling out, and stopped eventually before reaching your spine wich would hold you together for a period of time... your heart stopped pounding before you had the chance to ever reach the ground, leaving you suspended in the tree for about 30 minutes with blood pouring out of the wounds a bit...A firetruck came and people with helmets and fire resistant pants came out and started vomiting all over the place while they were drawing straws to decide who was the lucky soul that would have to go up into the ladder to get you down... Second place was the one to collect forearm and lungs... Then there was a scene of a cop who came to your house and having to tell your wife and kids about how you died, but fact was that it wasn't really going to help her remembering you by allowing your wife to ever see you again, not even to identify you... they assumed that it was really you whilst it wasn't really necessary to get a positive ID from a relative or friend, so the license plate of your truck was enough... A lot of shouting and crying, and fainting was going on too, whilst parents were ariving to comfort your wife and kids a bit...Then guys with a coffin came, and they started vomiting all over the place too, because this was really not an everyday scene for them... One of them even decided to get out of the business the next day... They bolted the coffin down firmly with loc-tite on the screws to never ever have to open it again and showing to the world what kind of a ????ING IDIOT YOU WERE TO NOT EVEN WEAR ONE CUT RESISTANT SLEEVE ON THAT FOREARM THAT WOULD HAVE PREVENTED THIS FRIGGIN' RIDICULOUS SITUATION.

That goes for all of you guys who one-hand big saws without protective sleeves or protective vests. And I don't care about how warm it is where you guys live , or whatever situation it may be or what you might think of this, but the scenario posted above is a real live situation we've had here a few years ago with a treeguy who planned on staying alive FOREVER!!!

Therrin · 11th March 2008, 03:16 AM

Correct me if I'm wrong guys,

But I think Streyken's flip is a 5/8" trawler cable. Immune to melting from resting a hot saw on it, and probably likely to stop a fully running chain dead in it's tracks.

There's a good chance he's not looking down if he knows the entire DZ is safe to "let the big wood fly and pound the garden", especially if there's noone down there.

The rest I don't have too much to comment on, except:

If we're talking about the scenario you just posted Q, I'm seriously doubting that your little sleeve thingie is really gonna stop a big burly saw bar dead still. I'm thinking that pure momentum alone would sever your sleeve into two nice neat sections, with a part of your arm in each. I don't know aobut the whole slamming into the chest part after that... I'm sure a sleeve would help to choke it up and stop it eventually, especially if it's Engtex, but I just can't see all that power just dying when coming into contact with your sleeve material.
I'd be more of an advocate of not reaching across with it running, sleeves or not.

You painted a pretty detailed picture though. I'm surpised that a kickback and relaxed guy like you has any strong opinions about anything, usually you'r so quiet on here. (

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Streyken · 11th March 2008, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Therrin

There's a good chance he's not looking down if he knows the entire DZ is safe to "let the big wood fly and pound the garden", especially if there's noone down there.

Thank-You! This is what I was trying to say before. There was NO chance of anyone getting in the way or a block rolling.

As for the rest - LOL. Get off the pulpit and put some muffs on, I think you must already be deaf, so as not to be able to hear yourself. It's amazing what people think they can read into a situation they know only a fraction about.

arborjockey · 11th March 2008, 04:34 PM

I was waiting for the mighty oak to step into this thread and ream that vid.

as for me im out of this one

17th June 2007, 01:21 AM	#51 (permalink)
Streyken Fly'n Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 206	Very true Brad. Unless I really know and trust the groundie, I do all my own rigging and roping. __________________ Trimmin' bush and caring for flowers is good 'n' all... but sometimes ya gotta let the big wood fly and pound the garden.

1st July 2007, 01:28 AM	#55 (permalink)
JohN Dee Astronaut Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 679	I think the size of the saw and bar are great, think about it, all that power to go straight through, and the big ass bar minimizes the chance of a kick back. I'd like to try it myself, but even when i'm normally bucking down now, i'm still very conscious about cutting into my tie in's... __________________ Climber with slow climbing speed, must make up with mighty chainsaw roar. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Red : Green : Blue

10th September 2007, 03:25 PM	#57 (permalink)
godavey Newbie Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: denver Posts: 2	Re: Double Block Bucking that looks strange i have never seen that method before

11th September 2007, 11:30 AM	#58 (permalink)
treefeller Cruisin' Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Cheshunt Posts: 86	Re: Double Block Bucking Looks like an effective method, wont obviously be to everyones taste but im gonna give it ago, will use my steel spiking strop tho and my lanyard as a second, ill get some pics up when ive done one __________________ Copper Beech Tree Works Hertfordshire www.copperbeechtreeworks.sampasite.com

8th March 2008, 06:35 PM	#60 (permalink)
cut-right Gettin' motoring Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: north carolina Posts: 14	Re: Double Block Bucking just read the last page of all replies to your video double chunking the pine tree.. Doing a good job of defending your position that doesnt even need defending. Whats up with these guys. A saftey record combined with yrs. exp. should tell them something. I think you know what your doing!

24th June 2007, 07:58 PM	#52 (permalink)
boreality Break'n the ice Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Saskatchewan Posts: 6	I tried the double buck and liked it so much I wish there was a triple buck.

29th June 2007, 03:28 AM	#54 (permalink)
Bernard Keays Gettin' motoring Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Glasshouse Posts: 30	Streyken....I'm a bit of an arm chair arborist these days but enjoyed your video. I haven't climbed for at least a month now but itching to get back into it. I use to do take downs like that in tight spots before I could lower with ropes. Just thought your climber was cutting a bit close to his flip line and personally I would prefer a smaller saw.

18th July 2007, 02:09 AM	#56 (permalink)
treestyle Fly'n Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: North Brisbane Posts: 119	sorry George, but i'm not too sure that the sun is the centre of the universe either.

10th March 2008, 08:57 PM	#63 (permalink)
boreality Break'n the ice Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Saskatchewan Posts: 6	Re: Double Block Bucking Cut-right I like the double buck, but I like to have a glance at the ground before dropping a 30lb object from 50 feet. Accidents happen, and it only takes once.

11th March 2008, 02:50 AM	#64 (permalink)
quercus Afterburner is shakin' Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: belgium Posts: 414	Re: Double Block Bucking I'll be adopting the double bucking tech too, looks great when using the 441 in the tree and never really thought about doing something like that... BUT... I'll be using two tie-ins like I always do... I'll be using a smaller bar because this one is a bit oversized for what we have here I'll be using the chainbreak when I take my hands off of it... I'll never ever let a saw bar touch my primary tie in, not even when in resting or chainbreaked condition... (the exhaust can melt the rope...) I'll be looking down when I throw some blocks off... I'll be holding the saw with two hands... I'm used to cutting right through when blocking down... even with the 200T I do crossovers with my forearm, but I'm wearing chainsaw cut resistant sleeves all the time. Really I like the tech and already tried it on a big pine but... The pics you posted about one handing the big saw gave me a bit of a scare though... The cinema inside my head displayed a film of a kick back with your forearm falling down while the large bar sliced and diced a piece out of your upper torso with lungs falling out, and stopped eventually before reaching your spine wich would hold you together for a period of time... your heart stopped pounding before you had the chance to ever reach the ground, leaving you suspended in the tree for about 30 minutes with blood pouring out of the wounds a bit...A firetruck came and people with helmets and fire resistant pants came out and started vomiting all over the place while they were drawing straws to decide who was the lucky soul that would have to go up into the ladder to get you down... Second place was the one to collect forearm and lungs... Then there was a scene of a cop who came to your house and having to tell your wife and kids about how you died, but fact was that it wasn't really going to help her remembering you by allowing your wife to ever see you again, not even to identify you... they assumed that it was really you whilst it wasn't really necessary to get a positive ID from a relative or friend, so the license plate of your truck was enough... A lot of shouting and crying, and fainting was going on too, whilst parents were ariving to comfort your wife and kids a bit...Then guys with a coffin came, and they started vomiting all over the place too, because this was really not an everyday scene for them... One of them even decided to get out of the business the next day... They bolted the coffin down firmly with loc-tite on the screws to never ever have to open it again and showing to the world what kind of a ????ING IDIOT YOU WERE TO NOT EVEN WEAR ONE CUT RESISTANT SLEEVE ON THAT FOREARM THAT WOULD HAVE PREVENTED THIS FRIGGIN' RIDICULOUS SITUATION. That goes for all of you guys who one-hand big saws without protective sleeves or protective vests. And I don't care about how warm it is where you guys live , or whatever situation it may be or what you might think of this, but the scenario posted above is a real live situation we've had here a few years ago with a treeguy who planned on staying alive FOREVER!!!

11th March 2008, 03:16 AM	#65 (permalink)
Therrin The Tree World Bandit Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Lancaster, Ca Posts: 1,112	Re: Double Block Bucking Correct me if I'm wrong guys, But I think Streyken's flip is a 5/8" trawler cable. Immune to melting from resting a hot saw on it, and probably likely to stop a fully running chain dead in it's tracks. There's a good chance he's not looking down if he knows the entire DZ is safe to "let the big wood fly and pound the garden", especially if there's noone down there. The rest I don't have too much to comment on, except: If we're talking about the scenario you just posted Q, I'm seriously doubting that your little sleeve thingie is really gonna stop a big burly saw bar dead still. I'm thinking that pure momentum alone would sever your sleeve into two nice neat sections, with a part of your arm in each. I don't know aobut the whole slamming into the chest part after that... I'm sure a sleeve would help to choke it up and stop it eventually, especially if it's Engtex, but I just can't see all that power just dying when coming into contact with your sleeve material. I'd be more of an advocate of not reaching across with it running, sleeves or not. You painted a pretty detailed picture though. I'm surpised that a kickback and relaxed guy like you has any strong opinions about anything, usually you'r so quiet on here. () __________________ Ken Fessia I.T.S.A. Tree Service (661) 916-4703

11th March 2008, 04:34 PM	#67 (permalink)
arborjockey Fly'n Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: hawaii. ohio. oregon. california Posts: 118	Re: Double Block Bucking I was waiting for the mighty oak to step into this thread and ream that vid. as for me im out of this one