Cuban royal palm removal using undersized 18" bar on MS440 accurately

Kevin · 6th April 2007, 03:02 PM

Tim;
This link illustrates the cuts...

http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/etools/logg...s/notches.html

http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/etools/logg..._top_cuts.html

Try these new links

Sean Freeman · 6th April 2007, 03:05 PM

Ekka, I watched nearly all of your vids and read most of your posts here and elsewhere about falling trees, so I have the opinion that you are a very skillful tree faller. I don't question for a moment that when you cut your scarf starting top or bottom you constantly check the cut matches the intended direction of the fall.
Like some of the others posting in this thread I was taught to make the initial cut from the top using the sighting line on the saw to aid accuracy in the intended direction of fall, I have cut scarfs the other way and all has been good, but for 95% of my falls the bottom horizontal cut goes in after the top angled cut. Using the sighting lines is something I do on the ground, in the tree with a top handled saw its not so simple.

On a not so different tack check out this forestry falling vid from Sweden its great.

Go to: http://www.skogforsk.se/KunskapDirek...1362&bmp=11727
then: Film f?r bredband
then: Avverkning med motors?g (10 min) the bore is at about the 2:10 mark.
(other videos and info of interest are also there)

The raps for finding this one go to someone else, elsewhere.

TREE-SURFER · 6th April 2007, 03:16 PM

"Horses for Courses";

Tim, what I think Ekka is trying to say (and myself), is that different trees in different circumstances follow a different course of action. Don't get me wrong, I was taught to cut down 1st and then in to meet the 1st cut to make the scarf, but I find that it easier to make this cut in reverse, if you will. Making the top cut secondary, allows you to justify your angle of hinge a little bit easier. That is to say, how and where YOU want it to fall. I think. Like I said, when I was taught, it was in a forest near cumbria felling small sitca spruce. These were relatively straight standing and only stood 50foot max. So making the top cut first, was the only option.

Tim Craig · 6th April 2007, 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TREE-SURFER

Making the top cut secondary, allows you to justify your angle of hinge a little bit easier. That is to say, how and where YOU want it to fall. I think.

Ok, I think I know what you are saying, I'm not so dogmatic in my views re felling.

When I make a directional felling notch I sometimes have to adjust the direction because I was slightly out with the initial top cut, so I will re-cut the top cut after the undercut has been made.

Which is similar to what you guys are doing in the 1st instance.

But I will never re-cut the undercut as a way of adjusting the direction of fell.

See what I mean?

Tim Craig · 6th April 2007, 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boa07

Sorry about that Ekka, lets try this http://www.skogforsk.se/KunskapDirek...1362&bmp=11727

then click on the left hand side: Film f?r bredband
then again click on the left hand side: Avverkning med motors?g (10 min) the bore is at about the 2:10 mark.
(other videos and info of interest are also there)

Thanks Boa.

TREE-SURFER · 6th April 2007, 03:46 PM

No probs Tim.
Try it on the next good one you get to fell. You will see the difference.

Tim Craig · 6th April 2007, 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TREE-SURFER

No probs Tim.
Try it on the next good one you get to fell. You will see the difference.

I'll try it.

I have a 8ft Cherry to fell tommorrow.

After that its back to top cut 1st, undercut 2nd, felling cut 3rd.

Oh yeah, I didn't know that they say 'scarf' in the Isle of Man! you guys like to be different I guess.

TC

Ekka · 6th April 2007, 04:01 PM

In that link Boa provided notice the Husky saw had a rear chain brake... just above the throttle.

Tim, if they put one of them on an 200T you could become a one armed bandit safely.

I noticed even in that video the sawyer had to tickle a few scarfs right.

TREE-SURFER · 6th April 2007, 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Craig

Oh yeah, I didn't know that they say 'scarf' in the Isle of Man! you guys like to be different I guess.

TC

Scarf, notch, Birds mouth, Gob cut, all the same when you're working with other crews. You just call it which ever with whoever you're with. I dare say that an 8 foot cherry wouldn't be the ideal tree to try it on. We like being different, keeps us unique...

6th April 2007, 03:02 PM	#26 (permalink)
Kevin Sappling Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 19	Tim; This link illustrates the cuts... http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/etools/logg...s/notches.html http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/etools/logg..._top_cuts.html Try these new links Last edited by Kevin : 7th April 2007 at 06:43 AM.

6th April 2007, 03:05 PM	#27 (permalink)
Sean Freeman PDF King & Arborist Extrodinaire Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,643	Ekka, I watched nearly all of your vids and read most of your posts here and elsewhere about falling trees, so I have the opinion that you are a very skillful tree faller. I don't question for a moment that when you cut your scarf starting top or bottom you constantly check the cut matches the intended direction of the fall. Like some of the others posting in this thread I was taught to make the initial cut from the top using the sighting line on the saw to aid accuracy in the intended direction of fall, I have cut scarfs the other way and all has been good, but for 95% of my falls the bottom horizontal cut goes in after the top angled cut. Using the sighting lines is something I do on the ground, in the tree with a top handled saw its not so simple. On a not so different tack check out this forestry falling vid from Sweden its great. Go to: http://www.skogforsk.se/KunskapDirek...1362&bmp=11727 then: Film f?r bredband then: Avverkning med motors?g (10 min) the bore is at about the 2:10 mark. (other videos and info of interest are also there) The raps for finding this one go to someone else, elsewhere. __________________ Sean Trees are poems that earth writes upon the sky, We fell them down and turn them into paper, That we may record our emptiness. - Kahlil Gibran

6th April 2007, 03:16 PM	#28 (permalink)
TREE-SURFER Mature tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Isle of Man,UK. Posts: 407	"Horses for Courses"; Tim, what I think Ekka is trying to say (and myself), is that different trees in different circumstances follow a different course of action. Don't get me wrong, I was taught to cut down 1st and then in to meet the 1st cut to make the scarf, but I find that it easier to make this cut in reverse, if you will. Making the top cut secondary, allows you to justify your angle of hinge a little bit easier. That is to say, how and where YOU want it to fall. I think. Like I said, when I was taught, it was in a forest near cumbria felling small sitca spruce. These were relatively straight standing and only stood 50foot max. So making the top cut first, was the only option. __________________ The Aerial Arborist Isle of Man Tree Surgeon\| All Aspects of Tree Work Andy@Aerial-Arborist.co.uk What experts say about TOPPING

6th April 2007, 03:46 PM	#31 (permalink)
TREE-SURFER Mature tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Isle of Man,UK. Posts: 407	No probs Tim. Try it on the next good one you get to fell. You will see the difference. __________________ The Aerial Arborist Isle of Man Tree Surgeon\| All Aspects of Tree Work Andy@Aerial-Arborist.co.uk What experts say about TOPPING

6th April 2007, 04:01 PM	#33 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,846	In that link Boa provided notice the Husky saw had a rear chain brake... just above the throttle. Tim, if they put one of them on an 200T you could become a one armed bandit safely. I noticed even in that video the sawyer had to tickle a few scarfs right. __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

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