2 cranes

allmarktree · 23rd February 2007, 05:38 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCCDcN4DRbg
This was a storm damaged tree. 1/2 took out the wires and hit the neighbors house. Neighbors didnt get along so I got this after the wires were back up. Leaned heavy toward the wires still.

Sean Freeman · 23rd February 2007, 06:05 PM

Very good vid, we're not allowed to work from the jib of a crane like that, OH&S won't allow it, so I've never done that.(What are the regs for you using that technique?)
But I have worked with cranes and big timber from in the tree. Only thing that worried me was when you got into cutting the stem the first chunk with canopy came very close to both you and your lines

No room for a tag line? or would that have run too close to the power lines?
Steve and I had to remove a very big raintree from an island resort a while ago with a 80T crane very tight spot using tag lines to avoid putting 3ton sections through the bar and resturant. (Was only the 2 of us so no photos sadly)

allmarktree · 23rd February 2007, 06:09 PM

A tag line would have worked. The crane op. was on his cell and not paying attention. The 2nd to last pic he actually moved toward the wires. I am tied into a cambium save through a shackle on top of the downhall weight.

Sean Freeman · 23rd February 2007, 06:10 PM

Yep we use the same crane guy I think, why do they always get a call just when you need them to be paying attention to you !!

SF

Ekka · 23rd February 2007, 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by allmarktree

A tag line would have worked. The crane op. was on his cell and not paying attention. The 2nd to last pic he actually moved toward the wires. I am tied into a cambium save through a shackle on top of the downhall weight.

I bet that was ya mate on the cell phone checking his nags on the TAB! lol Race 7 #6 pays $5.35 for a win and $2.10 for a place.

Boa, I did this for a close up on the "brush"

Just this bit www.treeworld.info/video/2cranes.wmv is 18secs and 3.74mb

Mark's a good sport and can take a bit of stirring.

Sean Freeman · 24th February 2007, 12:22 AM

It's really interesting the way different work practices from other parts of the world influence how a job progresses. We wouldn't be able to get the larger cranes up here without a dogman supplied by the crane company, esp when they know you're going to be moving big chunks of timber. I've even seen video of an arb guy US with a type of crane that he controls fom the tree (I think that was youtube)

SF

Ekka · 24th February 2007, 12:34 AM

Not being able to ride the hook/ball is a real bugger in this job.

I know in NZ they can ride it too.

Boa, we gotta get our doggers tickets.

Sean Freeman · 24th February 2007, 12:35 AM

Yep adding that one to the list as well!!

SF

Sean Freeman · 24th February 2007, 03:37 AM

Found the link for that climber controlling crane vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mcAqqVMHSo
not all that sure if I'd be keen to be the climber in this sort of situation I have enough to do concentrating on my ropes and the rigging wouldn't want to add driving the crane as well!

Ekka · 24th February 2007, 03:56 AM

That's Allmark's mate Mike Poor, another crane nutter, I think they do jobs together or something.

I suppose when cranes are so much cheaper than here and you can ride the hook then hell yeah, more the merrier.

Some-one had a boom failure recently, Mark should know the story.

allmarktree · 24th February 2007, 03:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boa07

Found the link for that climber controlling crane vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mcAqqVMHSo
not all that sure if I'd be keen to be the climber in this sort of situation I have enough to do concentrating on my ropes and the rigging wouldn't want to add driving the crane as well!

I worked with him for a week while I videoed that. It works nice. Thats the direction Im heading in.

a_lopa · 24th February 2007, 04:01 AM

I got my rigging and dogmans ticket a few years back,first 2 days were dogman part adding up/basic maths weights etc,a fair amount propably 20%of the guys didnt get thru that part so couldnt continue course.

Some of the rigging prac was good to learn,one good thing if i ever hire in a crane i dont have to pay for a dogman.

a_lopa · 24th February 2007, 04:05 AM

Nive video/soundtrack allmark!

allmarktree · 24th February 2007, 05:26 AM

What is a dogman? Is he the person doing the calculations or is he the "rigger" as we would call it.
The amazing thing in my state of NY(each varies the rules)I need a crane certification to operate my crane. Yhe crane in the second video Boa posted I would not even though it is taller and has more lift capacity...The difference is mine has a winch line.

a_lopa · 24th February 2007, 05:31 AM

Dogman estimates,signals the crane operator etc

Sean Freeman · 24th February 2007, 05:33 AM

I'm guessing that the certification for the crane itself would vary from state to state too. I've not seen any cranes like those over here. How often does your crane have to be inspected and recertified?

SF

allmarktree · 24th February 2007, 06:07 AM

Thanks thats what I thought.

bOA:It varies state by state but they are trying to make ti fedral.
It needs to be inspected annually by an outside certified inspector. Regularly and documented in house.

Ekka · 24th February 2007, 11:58 AM

That second crane was like an oversized HIAB moreso than a genuine crane.

I have no idea what the rules are on HIAB style cranes, but that one of Mike's has what lifting capacity?

allmarktree · 24th February 2007, 02:25 PM

50 ton/meter

23rd February 2007, 05:38 PM	#1 (permalink)
allmarktree Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Albany, New York Posts: 132	2 cranes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCCDcN4DRbg This was a storm damaged tree. 1/2 took out the wires and hit the neighbors house. Neighbors didnt get along so I got this after the wires were back up. Leaned heavy toward the wires still.

24th February 2007, 12:34 AM	#7 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,606	Not being able to ride the hook/ball is a real bugger in this job. I know in NZ they can ride it too. Boa, we gotta get our doggers tickets. __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

24th February 2007, 03:56 AM	#10 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,606	That's Allmark's mate Mike Poor, another crane nutter, I think they do jobs together or something. I suppose when cranes are so much cheaper than here and you can ride the hook then hell yeah, more the merrier. Some-one had a boom failure recently, Mark should know the story. __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

24th February 2007, 04:01 AM	#12 (permalink)
a_lopa Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Drouin Posts: 865	I got my rigging and dogmans ticket a few years back,first 2 days were dogman part adding up/basic maths weights etc,a fair amount propably 20%of the guys didnt get thru that part so couldnt continue course. Some of the rigging prac was good to learn,one good thing if i ever hire in a crane i dont have to pay for a dogman. __________________ Free Tree Industry Link Directory Drouin tree lopping, land clearing and stump removals

24th February 2007, 04:05 AM	#13 (permalink)
a_lopa Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Drouin Posts: 865	Nive video/soundtrack allmark! __________________ Free Tree Industry Link Directory Drouin tree lopping, land clearing and stump removals

23rd February 2007, 06:05 PM	#2 (permalink)
Sean Freeman PDF King & Arborist Extrodinaire Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,649	Very good vid, we're not allowed to work from the jib of a crane like that, OH&S won't allow it, so I've never done that.(What are the regs for you using that technique?) But I have worked with cranes and big timber from in the tree. Only thing that worried me was when you got into cutting the stem the first chunk with canopy came very close to both you and your lines No room for a tag line? or would that have run too close to the power lines? Steve and I had to remove a very big raintree from an island resort a while ago with a 80T crane very tight spot using tag lines to avoid putting 3ton sections through the bar and resturant. (Was only the 2 of us so no photos sadly)

23rd February 2007, 06:09 PM	#3 (permalink)
allmarktree Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Albany, New York Posts: 132	A tag line would have worked. The crane op. was on his cell and not paying attention. The 2nd to last pic he actually moved toward the wires. I am tied into a cambium save through a shackle on top of the downhall weight.

23rd February 2007, 06:10 PM	#4 (permalink)
Sean Freeman PDF King & Arborist Extrodinaire Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,649	Yep we use the same crane guy I think, why do they always get a call just when you need them to be paying attention to you !! SF

24th February 2007, 12:22 AM	#6 (permalink)
Sean Freeman PDF King & Arborist Extrodinaire Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,649	It's really interesting the way different work practices from other parts of the world influence how a job progresses. We wouldn't be able to get the larger cranes up here without a dogman supplied by the crane company, esp when they know you're going to be moving big chunks of timber. I've even seen video of an arb guy US with a type of crane that he controls fom the tree (I think that was youtube) SF

24th February 2007, 12:35 AM	#8 (permalink)
Sean Freeman PDF King & Arborist Extrodinaire Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,649	Yep adding that one to the list as well!! SF

24th February 2007, 03:37 AM	#9 (permalink)
Sean Freeman PDF King & Arborist Extrodinaire Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,649	Found the link for that climber controlling crane vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mcAqqVMHSo not all that sure if I'd be keen to be the climber in this sort of situation I have enough to do concentrating on my ropes and the rigging wouldn't want to add driving the crane as well!

24th February 2007, 05:26 AM	#14 (permalink)
allmarktree Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Albany, New York Posts: 132	What is a dogman? Is he the person doing the calculations or is he the "rigger" as we would call it. The amazing thing in my state of NY(each varies the rules)I need a crane certification to operate my crane. Yhe crane in the second video Boa posted I would not even though it is taller and has more lift capacity...The difference is mine has a winch line. Last edited by allmarktree : 24th February 2007 at 05:27 AM. Reason: spelling

24th February 2007, 05:31 AM	#15 (permalink)
a_lopa Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Drouin Posts: 865	Dogman estimates,signals the crane operator etc __________________ Free Tree Industry Link Directory Drouin tree lopping, land clearing and stump removals

24th February 2007, 05:33 AM	#16 (permalink)
Sean Freeman PDF King & Arborist Extrodinaire Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,649	I'm guessing that the certification for the crane itself would vary from state to state too. I've not seen any cranes like those over here. How often does your crane have to be inspected and recertified? SF

24th February 2007, 06:07 AM	#17 (permalink)
allmarktree Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Albany, New York Posts: 132	Thanks thats what I thought. bOA:It varies state by state but they are trying to make ti fedral. It needs to be inspected annually by an outside certified inspector. Regularly and documented in house.

24th February 2007, 11:58 AM	#18 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,606	That second crane was like an oversized HIAB moreso than a genuine crane. I have no idea what the rules are on HIAB style cranes, but that one of Mike's has what lifting capacity? __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

24th February 2007, 02:25 PM	#19 (permalink)
allmarktree Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Albany, New York Posts: 132	50 ton/meter