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Aerial · 2nd April 2008, 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by treevet

I think the question might have been.....if it is a retractable lifeline, assuming it has a camming device as it retracts, how do you move out or down when you are away from the device to release it? You would need a remote control device. Option would be to use a fig 8 on it I guess.

When attached you can move freely in all directions. I was able to slide down the tag line pretty fast without activation of the centrifugal clutching system in the unit.

I hope I am using "tag line" correctly. In this case it was half inch braided rope of dubious background that I used to snap the tree off at the cut I made. We used a one ton 4 wheel drive pickup truck to do it.

I was on the ground well clear of the thing when it came down. Not elegant or proper form I'm sure, but I just felt better about it being safe on the ground, and well away when it snapped off.

Aerial

Aerial · 2nd April 2008, 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Therrin

<nods>
... With gaffs, where's the weight of your foot resting? when force is applied, how is it distributed? How is it different with crampons? ...

Might want to check on strength of materials in the crampon spikes, and whether they'll hold up with regular use in different types of wood, instead of ice.

The difference is with the axes, with a "flip line" (I'm picking up the lingo) there is only one point of attachment, the line. Other than when flipping it, the hands and arms are passive.

The axes each provide a point of attachment, and one I would put forward as more secure against slippage than the flip line. Your weight is distributed among all four of your limbs, the percentage of which is controlled by you.

To move up or down with the flip line you must commit your weight to the feet alone to flip the line. With axes when moving up or down you still have three points of attachment at all times (not counting the lifeline, which makes four).

As to the strength of these climbing tools they most likely exceed the strength of your climbing strap (flip line?). They are not your boy scout camp axe, they have high carbon or chrome-molly steel blades, 4mm thick. These are "T" class blades, there is a lesser standard in climbing that uses a 3mm blade to promote flexability while set in ice. I wouldn't recommend those, but they would probably work too.

We are talking about climbing and suspending ourselves 50 or 100 above the ground, with these things there are people hanging 1000's of feet above rocky terrain, having climbed to that height by pulling themselves up ICE to get there.

Aerial

Aerial · 2nd April 2008, 05:54 AM

I tried to move this discussion to a different topic, "Tree gear and Machinery", in the thread "Revolutionary new gear for the arborist", but the discussion seems to be stuck here.

I don't want to hijack this thread with my wacky ideas, this is for welcoming new users. Can you move these posts to that thread or a new one of your choice to keep this one for welcoming new users?

Aerial

Aerial · 2nd April 2008, 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by treevet

... Hope, as a newcomer to treework, you aren't going to send us a video of spiking with 4 items in a lIVE tree. That would be brutal.

Not to worry, my wife would never let me harm a live tree:

Aerial

Aerial · 2nd April 2008, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by JayD

I have a vague memory of racing climbers,Straight up the pole,Who used long handled spurs as they climbed?? No flip line, Can any one else remember these... those ice picks/axes reminded me of them???

I saw a pair of what I think might be those on ebay. They were "C" shaped bars, looking like log rollers.

It was only after struggling with a "flip line" that wouldn't flip, and that I had to unclip and reposition around obstructions, that I thought there must be an easier, safer way.

Now, I'm not claiming that Ice axes will do this, just that I'm going to try them out.

Aerial

Aerial · 2nd April 2008, 07:40 AM

To get this out of this thread, please direct all replys or comments about Ice Axes to this thread:

Revolutionary new gear for the arborist

Thanks, Aerial

sawsong · 2nd April 2008, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by sawsong

hey thanks for the welcome!
rich and famous... nah not in this day and age. tens of thousands of graduates going for jobs you could count on your hands... and dont get me started on the type of people you have to work and associate with. muchos ring kissing is NOT my kinda thing. Pleased I realised when I did that trees were my thing, shame I didnt realise it before I went to Uni but you cant have it all can ya.

Jim

Me and my big bloody mouth!!

just got off the phone, been booked to do a UK tour engineering for a band who are opening for Wednesday 13!

gonna call it a day on that front maybe when it's over though. go out on a high note

Ekka · 2nd April 2008, 09:36 PM

Good stuff Jim, how about some crazed fan shots!?

newguy18 · 2nd April 2008, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Ekka

Good stuff Jim, how about some crazed fan shots!?

better yet,crazed fans gone wild.

sawsong · 3rd April 2008, 08:19 AM

hehe you never know.

newsflash

i got me wallet out today

2 new 1.5m split tails
4 HMS 3 way biners
Petzl grillon 3m lanyard setup
throwbag and throwline
cambium saver
EKN/Skylotec Kolibri harness/saddle
some light prussik cord and a micropulley

photos tomorrow when it gets delivered.

should work well with my XTC-12 i should hope?

Ekka · 3rd April 2008, 01:16 PM

Yeah it's like Christmas when all the new shiny gear arrives.

Therrin · 3rd April 2008, 02:24 PM

Wow sawsong....my wallet must be tiny, I'd never be able to fit all of that in it!!!

sawsong · 3rd April 2008, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Therrin

Wow sawsong....my wallet must be tiny, I'd never be able to fit all of that in it!!!

classic!

jim

masterarbor · 3rd April 2008, 07:25 PM

hey guys, nice to find an international site. i enjoy swapping advice and spinning yarns. i look forward to getting to know you guys in the future.

newguy18 · 3rd April 2008, 08:34 PM

Welcome all new members.

Ekka · 4th April 2008, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by masterarbor

hey guys, nice to find an international site. i enjoy swapping advice and spinning yarns. i look forward to getting to know you guys in the future.

kailas · 6th April 2008, 05:48 AM

Ciao... hi evrybody,
this is Max from Italy, Alps and lakeside..
just come on treeworld, I'm arborist and tree climbing for 6 years now,

I'm associated with Sia, italian chapter of ISA, we are trying to extend the knowledge and respect about trees all over italy...that's a kind of long way, but we'lltrust in it. Same way to improve the tecnical and safety aspect of tree climbing, that is very much needed here, where lot,(most) of workers do it old style way. But slowly years by years it is growing.

I heard many times about ice axe and crampons tree climbing, some do it for training or so, when is not ice season, but many years ago, and maybe is still in use, i knew about some alpine guides that was using these method for pruning, mostly i heard about chestnut tree...
they was saying this didn't hurt the trees cause of the very thick bark..
actually is not really like that..
but i don't really see it good also for dead trees, i climb with DRT and i find it very confortable , safe and right for working, ice axe can be a fun and nice way to remount a dead tree, but just for fun, i am also ice climbing , but i think that spikes are the more right stuff to use in working environment..
Maybe in particular situation they could work ..but..don't really know it yet..

Ciao

2nd April 2008, 05:54 AM	#753 (permalink)
Aerial Wanker Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 230	Is this discussion appropriate here? I tried to move this discussion to a different topic, "Tree gear and Machinery", in the thread "Revolutionary new gear for the arborist", but the discussion seems to be stuck here. I don't want to hijack this thread with my wacky ideas, this is for welcoming new users. Can you move these posts to that thread or a new one of your choice to keep this one for welcoming new users? Aerial

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Aerial Wanker Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 230	Please Reply HERE ... To get this out of this thread, please direct all replys or comments about Ice Axes to this thread: Revolutionary new gear for the arborist Thanks, Aerial

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kailas Sappling Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: italy Posts: 17	Re: Welcome ..... Ciao... hi evrybody, this is Max from Italy, Alps and lakeside.. just come on treeworld, I'm arborist and tree climbing for 6 years now, I'm associated with Sia, italian chapter of ISA, we are trying to extend the knowledge and respect about trees all over italy...that's a kind of long way, but we'lltrust in it. Same way to improve the tecnical and safety aspect of tree climbing, that is very much needed here, where lot,(most) of workers do it old style way. But slowly years by years it is growing. I heard many times about ice axe and crampons tree climbing, some do it for training or so, when is not ice season, but many years ago, and maybe is still in use, i knew about some alpine guides that was using these method for pruning, mostly i heard about chestnut tree... they was saying this didn't hurt the trees cause of the very thick bark.. actually is not really like that.. but i don't really see it good also for dead trees, i climb with DRT and i find it very confortable , safe and right for working, ice axe can be a fun and nice way to remount a dead tree, but just for fun, i am also ice climbing , but i think that spikes are the more right stuff to use in working environment.. Maybe in particular situation they could work ..but..don't really know it yet.. Ciao