Use of your real name required

Eric Frei · 2nd February 2012, 06:42 PM

A new rule where members are to use their real names. Pen names, aka's and aliases are all out.

ATA (Australian Tree Association) members using the forum can use their business name when they are the business owner or their real name.

Advertisers can use their business name when it is part of an advertising campaign.

Members outside of Australia can use their tree business name etc (providing it is a tree business etc and not selling to front line tree workers like arb shops do) instead of their real name where they are empowered to, but if it is found out to be incorrect or illegitimate it will be changed, no pretending to be some-one else or another business etc.

The whole idea is to be more professional, for people to know who they are conversing with and lower the incidence of spam/trolling/bullying etc.

The registration page of the site now reads:-

Quote:

Existing members who post from this point onwards will be approached via PM to provide their real name, failure to do so will render all future posts moderated and PM's locked up, so basically you wont be able to post anymore.

You may abandon your old member name and rejoin the forum with your real name but be aware you can only use an email address once, so you will need a new email address.

Jeff Darby · 2nd February 2012, 07:09 PM

G'Day... I'm Jeff Darby nice to meet you all...

Eric Frei · 2nd February 2012, 07:21 PM

You all know me but it's time we all get to know you posters.

The days of anonymity have ended here.

Tony Knight · 2nd February 2012, 09:20 PM

I'm going with Tony Knight (until midnight at least). Need a portrait pic? I have a beauty from the department of corrections.

Cheers

Tony

Jeff Darby · 3rd February 2012, 11:02 AM

Time to post up your real names folks so we can change over your user name.

Jeff Darby · 3rd February 2012, 04:48 PM

Bump ^_^

Eric Frei · 3rd February 2012, 05:01 PM

Some have already been done behind the scenes. It's going to be funny marrying up new names to old posts and avatars.

I do not suggest you change your avatar, people might need something to recall you by.

derwoodii · 3rd February 2012, 05:42 PM

Hmm I may need to think about this. My joy is being able to post stuff here that is critical or revealing of the industry area I work in, or moderate political ideas that I may pursue, its kinda of a release or vent valve.
So I reckon I'd rather stay annon as to avoid any grief or conflict etc Tis been fun lads & understand the need to change, I may come back as me but for now see ya.

Apocalypsse · 3rd February 2012, 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by derwoodii

Hmm I may need to think about this. My joy is being able to post stuff here that is critical or revealing of the industry area I work in, or moderate political ideas that I may pursue, its kinda of a release or vent valve.
So I reckon I'd rather stay annon as to avoid any grief or conflict etc Tis been fun lads & understand the need to change, I may come back as me but for now see ya.

I'm in the same boat. I'm not in support of a move like this. I'll have to think about it, until then it seems I'll be lurking. Having the anonymity of being online makes it posting easier, having my full name linked to my posts will make my posting much much more conservative. I don't want to take the chance of risking my employment over some internet posts. I'll make my decision and let you know whether to change my nick or not, until then, I'll be lurking.

Jeff Darby · 3rd February 2012, 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by derwoodii

Hmm I may need to think about this. My joy is being able to post stuff here that is critical or revealing of the industry area I work in, or moderate political ideas that I may pursue, its kinda of a release or vent valve.
So I reckon I'd rather stay annon as to avoid any grief or conflict etc Tis been fun lads & understand the need to change, I may come back as me but for now see ya.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Apocalypsse

I'm in the same boat. I'm not in support of a move like this. I'll have to think about it, until then it seems I'll be lurking. Having the anonymity of being online makes it posting easier, having my full name linked to my posts will make my posting much much more conservative. I don't want to take the chance of risking my employment over some internet posts. I'll make my decision and let you know whether to change my nick or not, until then, I'll be lurking.

Some will hide and some will walk into the light, two have mentioned they are concerned for their jobs. This is sad really we are supposed to be free with freedom of speech our companys have EEO policy's but they would appear to be shelf policy's because if you say some thing that one person does not like you are a marked man...what joke ! what I say behind a mans back I will say to his face so here I am loud and proud and my name is Jeff Darby.

MrDiesel · 3rd February 2012, 08:03 PM

I agree with derwoodii and Apocalypsse. See ya later, Good luck to all

Tony Knight · 3rd February 2012, 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Darby

Some will hide and some will walk into the light, two have mentioned they are concerned for their jobs. This is sad really we are supposed to be free with freedom of speech our companys have EEO policy's but they would appear to be shelf policy's because if you say some thing that one person does not like you are a marked man...what joke ! what I say behind a mans back I will say to his face so here I am loud and proud and my name is Jeff Darby.

I have empathy for those that choose not to, the fact is that we are not as free as society would have us believe. Whilst it worries me little whether I am recognised I support an individuals decision to remain anonomous. All the best fella's, you'll be missed.

Tony

Eric Frei · 4th February 2012, 08:55 AM

MrDiesel, Apocalypsse and derwoodii your status has now been changed. You can view but not post or receive PM's.

You can abandon your old member name so if you rejoin with your real name (but new email address is required) the old posts will not be in the same name, however if your posting style remains the same then after a few posts people will figure it out I'd say.

George Valentine · 4th February 2012, 10:42 AM

Yes, I'm a little disappointed that Tree World has decided to implement such a rule, no other forum I ever been at, I was require to use my personal name. The use of a business name would be in a way a lot safer but, I'm no business so I don't have one, any more...!

I have absolutely no problems in accepting and understanding anyone that, feels threatened and seriously concern about this new compulsory requirement/condition to become a full member here, after all, one can not dismiss or ignore the extremely profitable business of selling people information to big Corps and other interested individuals. This has become a major concern to most people, one that easily turn your life into a living nightmare, so folks that make the decision to move away from Tree World as a result, you all have that right and you are probably making the right decision, will see...!

Myself, I'm a bit pissed off that Tree world has decided to implement such a rule, I don't really see the need to go that far, and I know that Tree World will lose undoubtedly lots of very valued members that have provided great information and to a point, assisted Tree World to get where it is today...!

I received the "warning" PM and I git shocked buy it, I still am and while was within my rights, to decline to provided my personal information, I decided to comply...! However, and as I mention before, I'm sceptical to what else the information may be used for, as we all know, thinks tend to "happen"...!

On the other hand, my 2 only Internet names used (nyodine and robutacion) in 14 years since I started to use a computer/Internet, were created as a requirement then to provided a user name, with a always "warning message", advising NOT to use your real name. Internet names in 99% of times have no meaning and or translation, they can be anything that pops to mind when you are requested to provide/invent one, and in my case, that was exactly what happened...!

In resume, I could have opted to turn away, like so many of you already did, and will, however, I'm not pleased that I was put in this situation, one that I don't thing necessary in my view BUT, I felt that I have nothing to hide, never did, nor I was trying to, not after all the information that I've shared already with everyone here, through my threads and posts, which is quite natural for someone that is not hiding from anything or anyone.

Do I have ghosts in my closet...? absolutely...!, is there anyone without them...??? I don't think so...!

So, now that I got this out of my chest, hi everyone, my name is George Valentine

Cheers
George

Jeff Darby · 4th February 2012, 11:32 AM

We all have to realise it is 2012 and it is time to use our real names. Everybody has our assurance we will not divulge your personal information to any one.

We are of the opinion this move will promote a better class of posting information more factual more effort into your posts.

There is nothing to fear as only your name will be needed, and even then there is probably a whole list of others who has your name believe me, just search my name....there are heaps of Jeff Darby's around the world.

After a short while you will get used to it and all will be good. Welcome to the light folks.

Eric Frei · 4th February 2012, 09:16 PM

I even have locked away the members list for the last 5 years here.

Nothing gets divulged, and to doubt that or me after 5 years is a serious slap in the face.

The rule isn't changing, anonymity is over, real names only, business names for ATA members or overseas tree people is OK (excluding companies etc that sell to the front line like Bandit etc).

I found using my real name brought more credibility to my posts, more responsibility to my posts and greater marketing benefits. If you have to fear writing on the net in your real name then don't.

You can abandon your old member name and start fresh, if you start fresh you will have to also meet the 10 posts criteria for PM's etc just like every new member. So re-registering and lurking only is pointless, if you want to post and it could be your 500th post but the 1st post under your real name then be careful what you write. If you fear writing anything at all as it will then be in Google and under your name, don't write.

If your blowing the whistle on something or leaking information then think carefully of the best strategy because here you will have to use your real name or get some-one else who does use their real name to tell your story, but it will but just a story if there is no data, fact, evidence etc.

Bloggers now have protection from divulging their sources but be careful still what you publish as writing lies etc is not on. In the 5 years I have written here I have never ever even when shit on by the informant down the track given them up.

Some links to some facts.

Journo shield law covers bloggers, independent media | Crikey

Evidence Amendment (Journalists' Privilege) Act 2011

ScottyAFoster · 5th February 2012, 08:41 AM

Yozer this is news to me. No pm on my end weird. Guess the days personas is gone like the doto bird. I will stick around,there is plenty of me on the net. If do not like me oh well that is your problem

Guess the dinosaurs like me will have to grow a few brain cells

So how do we grow up then Eric?

Eric Frei · 5th February 2012, 09:05 AM

We PM people as they post, it's a one by one thing. Cant really do a mass migration. You can consider yourself informed now though.

So are you going to change your name or not?

George Valentine · 5th February 2012, 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric Frei

I even have locked away the members list for the last 5 years here.

Nothing gets divulged, and to doubt that or me after 5 years is a serious slap in the face.

The rule isn't changing, anonymity is over, real names only, business names for ATA members or overseas tree people is OK (excluding companies etc that sell to the front line like Bandit etc).

I found using my real name brought more credibility to my posts, more responsibility to my posts and greater marketing benefits. If you have to fear writing on the net in your real name then don't.

You can abandon your old member name and start fresh, if you start fresh you will have to also meet the 10 posts criteria for PM's etc just like every new member. So re-registering and lurking only is pointless, if you want to post and it could be your 500th post but the 1st post under your real name then be careful what you write. If you fear writing anything at all as it will then be in Google and under your name, don't write.

If your blowing the whistle on something or leaking information then think carefully of the best strategy because here you will have to use your real name or get some-one else who does use their real name to tell your story, but it will but just a story if there is no data, fact, evidence etc.

Bloggers now have protection from divulging their sources but be careful still what you publish as writing lies etc is not on. In the 5 years I have written here I have never ever even when shit on by the informant down the track given them up.

Some links to some facts.

Journo shield law covers bloggers, independent media | Crikey

Evidence Amendment (Journalists' Privilege) Act 2011

Sure Eric, and I probably would feel the same if I was you your position but, my observations about the use of peoples private information, is not a new issue and one that is getting frighteningly miss used on the world of the Internet so, I'm just stating "one" of the reasons why I feel that this new rule, will scare people away...!

Then we have the fact that, as a member, I have only been here since July last year so, I don't you for that long, nor I know the steps you have implemented to secure "confidential and private" information for all the members. Many here, that have been part of this Forum for as long as the Forum started and or soon after, may have some of the answers that I don't have yet about you and your "discretion" so, excuse me for my cautionary points/issues and I apologise, if you may have felt offended by them, was never intentional...!

I remember, in all the news post written about this issue, that was one where it was mentioned that, people Googleing your personal name will find possible other people with the same name so, I did Google my name and guess what I've got...??? not anyone else with my name but more interesting, it showed 2 posts I've made in Tree World and the one that brought my attention was the very first time I posted under the "introductions" section, which said, " Hi everyone,
My name is George Valentine and I live in the Fleureau Peninsula in SA -Australia.
I'm a 53 old male with saw dust running in my veins and a passion for wood.
Retired in 2004 due to old spine problems, I start dedicating my time in salvaging wood for my wood turning and firewood to keep us (wife and pet dogs) warm in winter.
Born in Portugal, and where I lived up top the age of 30, my life since a kid was being around pine forests, timbers mills and wood workers of all types."

Well, so much for me wanting to hide, huh...???

Cheers
George

Eric Frei · 5th February 2012, 12:21 PM

I can change your name back to Nyodine and you can start afresh if you like. Up to you. Let me know. If you do I will also remove the last few posts here to eliminate any link between Nyodine and your real name.

If some-one wants to test the water on this then Google your member name before the change, also use the Google search box of this site, that would be even better.

Google search 1 nyodine

Google search 2 Nyodine

Josh Wrigley · 5th February 2012, 12:41 PM

I don't mean to be daft but....

Is this for ATA members only, or is it Tree World-Wide?

Josh

Jeff Darby · 5th February 2012, 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wes

I don't mean to be daft but....

Is this for ATA members only, or is it Tree World-Wide?

Josh

for all australian members of Treeworld...

Josh Wrigley · 5th February 2012, 01:11 PM

Oh right, in that case then...

Hi all, my name is Josh Wrigley. Track Cutter by trade.

Nice to meet you all!

Eric Frei · 5th February 2012, 03:38 PM

Errr, what exactly does a track cutter do? Like fire tracks in remote areas, maybe rail lines?

Josh Wrigley · 5th February 2012, 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric Frei

Errr, what exactly does a track cutter do? Like fire tracks in remote areas, maybe rail lines?

We get that question a lot. It is indeed remote area work, but it is done for mineral exploration.

It covers a wide spectrum of jobs. Everything from foot access tracks going kilometers into remote wilderness to felling out road lines to get drill rigs in.

We also cover helicopter access, geochemical sampling and basic tree climbing to remove hazards.

And that's just the basics.

Although it's not really relevant to being a member on tree world, I have found the information posted by its members to be a fantastic source to reference.

As you can see, it's not an easy question to answer, but I'll try and get some photos tomorrow, that should help with my explanation.

Eric Frei · 5th February 2012, 06:36 PM

Now that sounds like a job you wouldn't get bored with.

Josh Wrigley · 5th February 2012, 06:59 PM

We've cut tracks through gorse 3 meters high in thunderstorms.

Not boring, but it can get a bit...tiring.

Makes you look forward to one these at the end of the day

Kyllie Peters · 5th February 2012, 06:59 PM

Hi my name is Kyllie Peters the other track cutter

Eric Frei · 5th February 2012, 08:19 PM

So, the greenies down there don't hammer you guys much like they do the loggers?

Kyllie Peters · 5th February 2012, 08:23 PM

No we don't have problems with them they are all to lazy to travel to the areas we go to

2nd February 2012, 07:09 PM	#2
Jeff Darby Moderator - Previously known as JayD Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: TreeWorld, Sydney Australia Posts: 2,059	Re: Use of your real name required G'Day... I'm Jeff Darby nice to meet you all... __________________ Member: Australian Tree Association Join the Australian Tree Association...Have your voice heard ! Arboriculture, A life long study for some, a passing phase for others © Jeffrey J Darby 2011

2nd February 2012, 07:21 PM	#3
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,994	Re: Use of your real name required You all know me but it's time we all get to know you posters. The days of anonymity have ended here. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Palm and Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

2nd February 2012, 09:20 PM	#4
Tony Knight Mature tree Join Date: May 2011 Location: Victoria, Australia Posts: 311	Re: Use of your real name required I'm going with Tony Knight (until midnight at least). Need a portrait pic? I have a beauty from the department of corrections. Cheers Tony

3rd February 2012, 11:02 AM	#5
Jeff Darby Moderator - Previously known as JayD Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: TreeWorld, Sydney Australia Posts: 2,059	Re: Use of your real name required Time to post up your real names folks so we can change over your user name. __________________ Member: Australian Tree Association Join the Australian Tree Association...Have your voice heard ! Arboriculture, A life long study for some, a passing phase for others © Jeffrey J Darby 2011

3rd February 2012, 04:48 PM	#6
Jeff Darby Moderator - Previously known as JayD Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: TreeWorld, Sydney Australia Posts: 2,059	Re: Use of your real name required Bump ^_^ __________________ Member: Australian Tree Association Join the Australian Tree Association...Have your voice heard ! Arboriculture, A life long study for some, a passing phase for others © Jeffrey J Darby 2011

3rd February 2012, 05:01 PM	#7
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,994	Re: Use of your real name required Some have already been done behind the scenes. It's going to be funny marrying up new names to old posts and avatars. I do not suggest you change your avatar, people might need something to recall you by. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Palm and Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

3rd February 2012, 05:42 PM	#8
derwoodii Mature tree Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Melbourne Posts: 406	Re: Use of your real name required Hmm I may need to think about this. My joy is being able to post stuff here that is critical or revealing of the industry area I work in, or moderate political ideas that I may pursue, its kinda of a release or vent valve. So I reckon I'd rather stay annon as to avoid any grief or conflict etc Tis been fun lads & understand the need to change, I may come back as me but for now see ya.

3rd February 2012, 08:03 PM	#11
MrDiesel Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: here Posts: 192	Re: Use of your real name required I agree with derwoodii and Apocalypsse. See ya later, Good luck to all

4th February 2012, 08:55 AM	#13
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,994	Re: Use of your real name required MrDiesel, Apocalypsse and derwoodii your status has now been changed. You can view but not post or receive PM's. You can abandon your old member name so if you rejoin with your real name (but new email address is required) the old posts will not be in the same name, however if your posting style remains the same then after a few posts people will figure it out I'd say. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Palm and Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

4th February 2012, 10:42 AM	#14
George Valentine Former Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Australia - SA Adelaide Hills Posts: 185	Re: Use of your real name required Yes, I'm a little disappointed that Tree World has decided to implement such a rule, no other forum I ever been at, I was require to use my personal name. The use of a business name would be in a way a lot safer but, I'm no business so I don't have one, any more...! I have absolutely no problems in accepting and understanding anyone that, feels threatened and seriously concern about this new compulsory requirement/condition to become a full member here, after all, one can not dismiss or ignore the extremely profitable business of selling people information to big Corps and other interested individuals. This has become a major concern to most people, one that easily turn your life into a living nightmare, so folks that make the decision to move away from Tree World as a result, you all have that right and you are probably making the right decision, will see...! Myself, I'm a bit pissed off that Tree world has decided to implement such a rule, I don't really see the need to go that far, and I know that Tree World will lose undoubtedly lots of very valued members that have provided great information and to a point, assisted Tree World to get where it is today...! I received the "warning" PM and I git shocked buy it, I still am and while was within my rights, to decline to provided my personal information, I decided to comply...! However, and as I mention before, I'm sceptical to what else the information may be used for, as we all know, thinks tend to "happen"...! On the other hand, my 2 only Internet names used (nyodine and robutacion) in 14 years since I started to use a computer/Internet, were created as a requirement then to provided a user name, with a always "warning message", advising NOT to use your real name. Internet names in 99% of times have no meaning and or translation, they can be anything that pops to mind when you are requested to provide/invent one, and in my case, that was exactly what happened...! In resume, I could have opted to turn away, like so many of you already did, and will, however, I'm not pleased that I was put in this situation, one that I don't thing necessary in my view BUT, I felt that I have nothing to hide, never did, nor I was trying to, not after all the information that I've shared already with everyone here, through my threads and posts, which is quite natural for someone that is not hiding from anything or anyone. Do I have ghosts in my closet...? absolutely...!, is there anyone without them...??? I don't think so...! So, now that I got this out of my chest, hi everyone, my name is George Valentine Cheers George

4th February 2012, 11:32 AM	#15
Jeff Darby Moderator - Previously known as JayD Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: TreeWorld, Sydney Australia Posts: 2,059	Re: Use of your real name required We all have to realise it is 2012 and it is time to use our real names. Everybody has our assurance we will not divulge your personal information to any one. We are of the opinion this move will promote a better class of posting information more factual more effort into your posts. There is nothing to fear as only your name will be needed, and even then there is probably a whole list of others who has your name believe me, just search my name....there are heaps of Jeff Darby's around the world. After a short while you will get used to it and all will be good. Welcome to the light folks. __________________ Member: Australian Tree Association Join the Australian Tree Association...Have your voice heard ! Arboriculture, A life long study for some, a passing phase for others © Jeffrey J Darby 2011

5th February 2012, 08:41 AM	#17
ScottyAFoster Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Oregon Posts: 100	Re: Use of your real name required Yozer this is news to me. No pm on my end weird. Guess the days personas is gone like the doto bird. I will stick around,there is plenty of me on the net. If do not like me oh well that is your problem Guess the dinosaurs like me will have to grow a few brain cells So how do we grow up then Eric?

5th February 2012, 09:05 AM	#18
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,994	Re: Use of your real name required We PM people as they post, it's a one by one thing. Cant really do a mass migration. You can consider yourself informed now though. So are you going to change your name or not? __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Palm and Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

5th February 2012, 12:21 PM	#20
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,994	Re: Use of your real name required I can change your name back to Nyodine and you can start afresh if you like. Up to you. Let me know. If you do I will also remove the last few posts here to eliminate any link between Nyodine and your real name. If some-one wants to test the water on this then Google your member name before the change, also use the Google search box of this site, that would be even better. Google search 1 nyodine Google search 2 Nyodine __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Palm and Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

5th February 2012, 12:41 PM	#21
Josh Wrigley Sappling Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: West Coast, Tasmania Posts: 46	Re: Use of your real name required I don't mean to be daft but.... Is this for ATA members only, or is it Tree World-Wide? Josh

5th February 2012, 01:11 PM	#23
Josh Wrigley Sappling Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: West Coast, Tasmania Posts: 46	Re: Use of your real name required Oh right, in that case then... Hi all, my name is Josh Wrigley. Track Cutter by trade. Nice to meet you all!

5th February 2012, 03:38 PM	#24
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,994	Re: Use of your real name required Errr, what exactly does a track cutter do? Like fire tracks in remote areas, maybe rail lines? __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Palm and Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

5th February 2012, 06:36 PM	#26
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,994	Re: Use of your real name required Now that sounds like a job you wouldn't get bored with. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Palm and Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

5th February 2012, 06:59 PM	#27
Josh Wrigley Sappling Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: West Coast, Tasmania Posts: 46	Re: Use of your real name required We've cut tracks through gorse 3 meters high in thunderstorms. Not boring, but it can get a bit...tiring. Makes you look forward to one these at the end of the day

5th February 2012, 06:59 PM	#28
Kyllie Peters I'm new here so be nice Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Tasmania Posts: 2	Re: Use of your real name required Hi my name is Kyllie Peters the other track cutter

5th February 2012, 08:19 PM	#29
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,994	Re: Use of your real name required So, the greenies down there don't hammer you guys much like they do the loggers? __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Palm and Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

5th February 2012, 08:23 PM	#30
Kyllie Peters I'm new here so be nice Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Tasmania Posts: 2	Re: Use of your real name required No we don't have problems with them they are all to lazy to travel to the areas we go to

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