Lies|QAA|Queensland Arboricultural Association

Eric Frei

In legal channels however further instances are popping up all the time, I was just informed of another.

Does this mean a costly battle with each incidence due to the council so arrogantly adhering to specifications which have been shown to be onerous, of course these costs are passed onto home-owners and rate payers.

Here's their latest fiasco and only just happened. Council's Aldi defence questioned - Local News - News - General - Bayside Bulletin / The Redland Times

$338,651.38 not including Aldi's costs, now maybe Aldi's costs are around the same so perhaps the bill for their arrogance is $660K+

My suspiscion is the author has marketed themselves to councils as having the panacea to all development site tree woes, and the adherence to such by councils unless challenged legally does mean something, what do you think it means especially when you see with your own 2 eyes the issues with it?

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Eric Frei

It also appears that this is the right place to take the complaint here in Queensland.

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And that was sourced from this site.

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Harry Windbag

Eric,

Local government is corrupt throughout this 'lucky' country. Organizations, associations, and guilds to do with trees are for the most part just a bunch of self important tossers with nothing between their ears and nothing else to do with their time. I don't get it...why have anything to do with any of them? Surely you can cut out a decent living without getting involved with this muck. Don't get me wrong, I understand you would be rightfully upset by the lies they tell, but how could you expect anything different when dealing with power tripping clowns with small todgers? You dont have to tread in shit to know that it stinks. Leave 'em to it I reckon...life's too short.

Eric Frei

And the official response arrived in the mail validating that Adam Tom is telling PORKY PIES to other councils ABOUT ME.

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Bruce Hopf

Looks good on them. This sure is a big help to you Ekka. Keep up the good work. Bruce.

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Garry Brockley

nice one eric straight from the horses mouth

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Jeff Darby

So far you have had a responce from The Office Of The Lord Mayor, , which was promt and and straight to the point,Quirk wrote, five years experience post qualification after you gain level 5 is not a requirement to write reports for BCC under local law. (Quirk,2009) .

This responce clearly states council position on this matter, however I am curious, has any disciplinary action been taken against the perpetraitor of the comments made against you ?

We all know shyte sticks and needs to be sorted out sooner rarther than later......

JayD

(G Quirk 2009 pers. comm;,21 Dec)

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Eric Frei

Nope, nothing from QAA or the Perp.

That itself tells everybody what goes on, I wonder if the QAA recorded a complaint against this perp on file, and one this serious should have him express expelled.

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Drouin Tree Service

No matter where you go in this industry NO ONE has anything good to say about the QAA,sad really.

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Eric Frei

Here's a copy of the emails etc, this all just happened now

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The Tree Whisperer

HEY EKKA
sounds like some crazy stuff going on with these associations.
As I have said in here a number of times I work for local government in an arborist/tree officer role. I am currently in the process of developing a tree management policy. in that policy we are planning on setting clear guidelines for Arborist reports i.e quals and what information is expected.

I first put the propsed quals as AQF IV however the draft was written before AS 4790 (which states minimum qualifications for project arborist (Consultant Arborist) as being AQF V. As a result of this we have now ammended this and made it AQF V however we do not stipulate minimum yrs experience we state that the consultant must have the quals and have relevant and current experience in arboriculture (I have been a horticulturalist since 1993, studied tree surgery in 1995 (arboriculture didnt exist then) and have been a local government tree officer/arborist for 10 yrs. I only completed my Dip arb 3 yrs ago- So are they saying with 15 yrs experience I am not qualified to write a report. BCC's own tree officer is only just studying Dip Arb now
Certainly has changed my QAA memebership plans.

Eric Frei

The new training package will also only have level 5 and level 3 so the level 4's are out soon anyway.

The Victorians have something that will help.

http://www.cavinc.org//images/docs/c...s_v1_dec08.pdf

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Someone

OMG the bunkem that I have read!!. I am sorry, I am new to post but upon reading this I had to comment. Frankly you guys are all out to lunch and clearly don't have an understanding of 1 the internal procedures and 2 the conferred benefits. The idea that mr eric frei talks of is first or all ludicrous and not done!!
Which of you would employ a lawyer that is not licensed to be in a court room and how many of you would feel comfortable having a house built around you that was not to regulation? I do not say that the current situation is grand but that it is ultimately necessary! If we took fom what Eric is saying then our medical practioners may still be putting leaches on us and flush cuts would be the norm...It is completely acceptable for any governing industry associating body to uphold what they consider to be minimal requirements to be a part of that industry. Yes it costs money but how else do you regulate international training bodies?
Most professions have a licensing body outside of the training scheme. Universities will not take any responsibility for the practitioner... The idea that we can be all under an AQF system is ludicrous because not one single body has identified if your credentials are what you say they are...
It appears that Mr Eric Frei has a little more integrity than most and can stand for what he says and proposes that his quals are enough but that is not the generic case, on what terms is it bad that an industry says prove what you know????
As with everything do your own research and find out about these things but for my two bob extraneous cert is a beneficial and needed component of the industry in general.

Garry Brockley

So even when there are pictures of someones actual certificate and they prove time and again that they know what they are talking about you still refute the evidence in front of you,
no one on here has said that they dont want a regulatory body, what they are saying is that we want one that is not an old boys club taking money from the masses to support the few cronies within.
you have been caught with your pants down so many times ad this site has published it, you hate this site and it's owner because you don't have any control over.
Wake up! this is evidence based not a gossip site.
1 internal procedures, some people have been a part of that org so they know how it works,
2 the confered benefits are that if you kiss some ass and get in with the people at the top you get put on the special list.
however how many times has a complaint come in about a company? what was done about it?
you have no statuary demands for joining and no enforcement procedures.

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Eric Frei

It is clear anonymous Someone that you have failed to even understand the issues. And here you are saying WE ARE ALL out to lunch (all of us, no exceptions).... that alone shows the capacity of your intellect in deciphering fact from fiction and slamming entire groups of people.

Read this thread.... Ignorance is Contagious| Critical Thinking| Mob mentalities

Are you saying it is necessary to have mafioso style back stabbers congregating together to slander people and inhibit their capacity to work? Interesting.

Here's another piece you wrote:-

A clear display of Non-sequitur:-

I'm glad all can see the logic of your post, or rather the lack of it. So regardless of the countless number of times I have in the field and here discussed appropriate pruning techniques, even exposed QAA members doing them wrong, flush cuts follow Eric Frei's word's, interesting logic.

Here's some threads to show how wrong you are.

Chatswood Hills State School Tree Issues| NT school tree kills boy and were advised!

Koala Craziness as Govt approve relocating them for development

Exposing another shame file

concreting in TPZ fences prior to clearing - true!

Here's another example so we know it is consistent in the way you post.

So the certificates on my website, the colleges that they have come from, cannot be authenticated unless done so via an organisation, more demented logic. In addition you also are implying that the qualifications may have been gained via tick and flick, bogus in other words.

Lets keep going as this is like shooting fish in the barrel.

Why is it not only just necessary but ultimately necessary? There is sufficient legitimate government protection for consumers in every state, by impartial people who have the law and capacity to take action unlike organisational boys clubs. The government agencies have the right to ask for information and research, organisations do not and it would be a scary day that they are granted the right to investigate people!

Organisations are not government entities but private companies and business with nothing more that their internal constitution and handful of members (7 here in Queensland).

Starting an incorporated association : Department of Employment, Economic Development and Innovation

And 5 in NSW Membership - NSW Fair Trading
What is clear is that little regard is placed upon the value of people's day to day work, what happens for say 40 hours a week or more for many. The statement quoted above indicates an academic background or advancement. The AQF system is based around the job, what you do daily, which is something the American ISA model really fails on.

For many tree workers cert3 is sufficient, how much does that arena change in reality over the years? Very little. So instead of a blakes hitch they use a VT etc, big deal. Instead of taking tree wraps they use a Hobbs etc, big deal. Many old schoolers that have been at it 30 years plus say technology and equipment has changed but the job, very little.

If certain organisations want to have qualification entry levels I suppose they can. If they want to have CEU's I suppose they can. But when they lobby that no-one else is allowed to work or should not work unless they belong etc then there's a serious issue arising. What is clear is that they have lost their way, their purpose and have evolved to something sinister with malicious intent. As they are just a name and piece of paper it is the people within that make the culture, look at them closely and see what is behind the mask.

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Eric the flush cuts point was not directed at you or your work, it was to point out that a university or Tafe system doesn't control what happens after the fact. If Geologists weren't required to continue their education then they would still be arguing tectonic movement and if the AQF system is what we maintain then there is little control the industry can have over it's practitioners. I don't trust the AQF system, I am sure we have all come accross cert 3's and 5's who we feel damn sure shouldn't have their quals but they do. Rto's take federally granted money and rpl and pump people through the training package and the industry ends up with idiots. I am not saying that any of the vehicles we have now are the ones to drive us into the future and am not advocating any particular one. What I am saying is that most other professional industries have some type of extraneous certification and method of guaranteeing that the people actually know what they are talking about. It works in two ways it allows the public to understand the industry has tested its practitioners and it demonstrates to the training organisations that there will be consequences if their students aren't trained correctly all in all creating an even keel where people know where they stand.

Eric Frei

True, it wasn't either the AMA that dealt with Patel or The Butcher of Bega was it.

Again, illogical argument. You cannot say it would or wouldn't. In universities there is hierarchical research, upon others shoulders stands the new research so there is forward movement, but if Moses is still busting rocks for Rio Tinto in outback Oz that doesn't inhibit the new research now does it.

Again illogical argument. You just stated that universities and Tafe is not responsible for the control of the industry so why this rhetoric? Pointless.

I came through that system, not all I did is RPL but I don't think I am an idiot. Patel and others came through a far more rigorous system, so did many accountants and lawyers who are in jail, so what, there's bad eggs in every field. The RTO's are audited, consumers have the right to complain to Dept of Fair Trading or get some-one else.

We are trades level people, get your head around that first. It's like saying a carpenter has to get CEU's and re-certify, get a grip. As far as methods of guaranteeing .... really? Who is guaranteeing your plumber, electrician or carpenter?

The industry has tested it's practitioners, really. And who is that? One of the cronies that cant get their own ship in order? Some organised mafioso's? A bunch of AA's down the local or what?

It allows the public into a false sense of security just like when the QAA advertises that joining them will make you look more professional as you can put stickers on your truck and logo's on your ads. Real good stuff eh.

You are looking for the Holy Grail of authority and training but this thread is about the organisational gang banging of another, keep that in mind.

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Someone,

I think I feel quite insulted by your logic.

Please look up the word accredited in the dictionary.

To say that you have to belong to an organisation (run by a committee) to prove that you know what you have already proven that you know to an accrediting body such as Tafe or University, by nature of assessment and examination. I do not think that it's easy getting a Degree or Advanced Diploma or Diploma, quite a few people do not pass in the first attempt. Some do not get through at all, do they?

Department of Fair Trading do not require a membership to an organisation to get your license. Obviously they do not deem it a necessary requirement.

To say that RTO's only turn out a bunch of idiots is a sweepingly broad statement, and one that places you smack bang in the middle of. Where did you train, University or Tafe? Either way you trained with an RTO, so welcome to the pack of idiots along with the rest of us it seems.

So according to your logic, some qualified idiots can then get together a committee (usually 7 people) and decide that to prove after someone has gained their Degree or Diploma, they have to pay yearly fees and do CPD to be a professional of standing. I think personally that demeans the relevance of accreditation.