How did you find Tree World?

newguy18 · 18th January 2008, 07:54 PM

Its alright man.in the past 2 years I've gone from 4 pots of coffee a day to 1pot and now from that down to 2 cups a day.the headaches suck.

Therrin · 18th January 2008, 08:22 PM

4 pots of coffee a day????

That'd be the equivelant to tweaking, I'd think. No WONDER your heart is giving you trouble Newguy! Geeeeez!

newguy18 · 18th January 2008, 08:27 PM

yep did it for 4 years.I quit drinking so much when I started having chest pains and found out about the hbp.I was also guzzling energy drinks like no tommorrow.

bigshea13 · 19th January 2008, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by newguy18

yep did it for 4 years.I quit drinking so much when I started having chest pains and found out about the hbp.I was also guzzling energy drinks like no tommorrow.

oh yeah........thats way better than ....well you probable can forsee where im going with this. then again, maybe you cant.

Caffeine is an addictive drug, affecting 90% of all Americans, which alters the brain's natural state, and stimulates it in a manner similar to the amphetamines cocaine and heroin.

The mechanisms employed by caffeine, cocaine, and heroin, are to close blood vessels in the brain, so the brain and body cannot sleep, to cause the release of adrenaline into the body, so the body remains active and alert, and to manipulate dopamine production in the brain, so the person experiences a temporary "high."

Caffeine may be found in its natural state in many plants, including tea leaves, coffee beans, and cocoa nuts. The pure form of caffeine is a bitter, white, crystalline powder derived from the decaffeinating process of coffee and tea. The vast number of products in which caffeine comes, range from coffee, to tea, to colas, to milk chocolate, and to pain relievers, just to mention a few.

Most people are unaware of caffeine's addictive properties. Those who consume 300 mg. or more per day, suffer from withdrawal symptoms if they abruptly cut off their caffeine supply. Most users will suffer from symptoms of fatigue and depression, irritability, tremors, jumpiness, deprivation of deep sleep, and vascular headaches, as the blood vessels in the brain dilate. Caffeine, however, can be medically useful as a cardiac stimulant, and also as a mild diuretic used to flush the system.

One of the mechanisms that caffeine addiction, cocaine addiction, and heroin addiction share, is that they block an adenosine's ability to slow the nerve cells' activity in preparation for sleep, and instead increase the speed of their activity and of the neuron firing in the brain. The caffeine causes the blood vessels in the brain to constrict, because it has blocked the adenosine's ability to open them to allow sleep. The ability of caffeine to close the blood vessels is why many pain relievers contain caffeine. If a person has a vascular headache, the caffeine in the medicine will shut down the blood vessels, thus easing the pain.

The increased neuron firing in the brain triggers the pituitary glands to release hormones that tell the adrenal glands to produce adrenaline, also known as epinephrine. Adrenaline, the "fight-or-flight" hormone, gives the user's body a boost, and heightens the person's alertness.

One final mechanism caffeine, cocaine, and heroin share, is their ability to manipulate dopamine production. Dopamine, a neurotransmitter, activates the "pleasure centers" in certain parts of the brain, and simply makes a person feel good. Naturally, the pleasurable effect produced by dopamine manipulation plays a prominent role in caffeine addiction.

The short-term effects resulting from caffeine consumption, such as alertness, renewed energy, and pleasure, may not necessarily outweigh the longer-term effects of caffeine addiction. Caffeine, despite its similarities to amphetamines, has side effects that are not nearly as severe, and withdrawal symptoms that are, generally, not life-threatening.

still wanna argue?

treeseer · 19th January 2008, 08:19 PM

Compare caffeine to the harder stuff if you like,but as you say the addictive levels and pain of withdrawal are not comparable, thank goodness.

Hey newguy, what do you do for stimulation now? Many good nondrug strategies.

newguy18 · 19th January 2008, 08:32 PM

I'm naturally stimulated I guess.I usually go to bed a 1 and get up at 7 and go hard all day without to much hassle but slowed way down without as much caffiene[stupid heart not doing what i want it to do].I remember staying up for 72 hours straight once.lotta coffee and energy drinks those 3 days.did it when I was 14.

Ekka · 19th January 2008, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by TreeCo

Great site you've got here Ekka. I've been here from the start and I know you've worked hard to get where you are.

Dan

Thanks Dan, you helped too and the early days were tougher days, I certainly wouldn't be interested in doing it again and frankly, without a core group of good folk like we had it wouldn't have happened.

treevet · 20th January 2008, 04:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigshea13

oh yeah........thats way better than ....well you probable can forsee where im going with this. then again, maybe you cant.

Caffeine is an addictive drug, affecting 90% of all Americans, which alters the brain's natural state, and stimulates it in a manner similar to the amphetamines cocaine and heroin.

The mechanisms employed by caffeine, cocaine, and heroin, are to close blood vessels in the brain, so the brain and body cannot sleep, to cause the release of adrenaline into the body, so the body remains active and alert, and to manipulate dopamine production in the brain, so the person experiences a temporary "high."

Caffeine may be found in its natural state in many plants, including tea leaves, coffee beans, and cocoa nuts. The pure form of caffeine is a bitter, white, crystalline powder derived from the decaffeinating process of coffee and tea. The vast number of products in which caffeine comes, range from coffee, to tea, to colas, to milk chocolate, and to pain relievers, just to mention a few.

Most people are unaware of caffeine's addictive properties. Those who consume 300 mg. or more per day, suffer from withdrawal symptoms if they abruptly cut off their caffeine supply. Most users will suffer from symptoms of fatigue and depression, irritability, tremors, jumpiness, deprivation of deep sleep, and vascular headaches, as the blood vessels in the brain dilate. Caffeine, however, can be medically useful as a cardiac stimulant, and also as a mild diuretic used to flush the system.

One of the mechanisms that caffeine addiction, cocaine addiction, and heroin addiction share, is that they block an adenosine's ability to slow the nerve cells' activity in preparation for sleep, and instead increase the speed of their activity and of the neuron firing in the brain. The caffeine causes the blood vessels in the brain to constrict, because it has blocked the adenosine's ability to open them to allow sleep. The ability of caffeine to close the blood vessels is why many pain relievers contain caffeine. If a person has a vascular headache, the caffeine in the medicine will shut down the blood vessels, thus easing the pain.

The increased neuron firing in the brain triggers the pituitary glands to release hormones that tell the adrenal glands to produce adrenaline, also known as epinephrine. Adrenaline, the "fight-or-flight" hormone, gives the user's body a boost, and heightens the person's alertness.

One final mechanism caffeine, cocaine, and heroin share, is their ability to manipulate dopamine production. Dopamine, a neurotransmitter, activates the "pleasure centers" in certain parts of the brain, and simply makes a person feel good. Naturally, the pleasurable effect produced by dopamine manipulation plays a prominent role in caffeine addiction.

The short-term effects resulting from caffeine consumption, such as alertness, renewed energy, and pleasure, may not necessarily outweigh the longer-term effects of caffeine addiction. Caffeine, despite its similarities to amphetamines, has side effects that are not nearly as severe, and withdrawal symptoms that are, generally, not life-threatening.

still wanna argue?

Bigshea, this obviously is researched data (and extremely interesting I might add). I d like to know the source or have a link to get a sited hard copy for family members (I quit long ago, along with about everything else).

Newguy, if you just read this post, Treeseer asked you a question in the last post.

treevet · 20th January 2008, 04:22 AM

My bad, I missed a page, it s already answered.

Therrin · 20th January 2008, 05:14 AM

Treeseer,

The addictive levels may well be similar, granted, the pain of withdrawl is *not* similar, but you need to see the real point he was trying to make.

That point, is the overall *effect* that these things have on the body.
They all affect similar chemical changes and basal reactions in the body, and can cause similar amounts of stress on bodily function. And while a single cup of coffe, or even 3, you might say is incomparable to meth, heroin, or cocaine.... it's not about a cup of coffee or 3. It's about 2 to 4 to 6 POTS of coffee a DAY!

So in all reality, even the physical effect on the body may be similar, in that regard.

azrael · 20th January 2008, 04:53 PM

There's a significant amount of caffeine in TEA too.
When I studied in my former Laboratory career...we did a prac session and extracted caffeine from brewed tea. A surprisingly large amount present.....but I could'nt give in exact milligrams/gm of leaf...it's too long ago.

Moral...dont replace pots of coffee with pots of tea...it's nearly as bad.

newguy18 · 20th January 2008, 05:31 PM

I got a moral too.reducing caffine intake sucks.

Therrin · 20th January 2008, 07:03 PM

Probably not as much as the alternative.

Still, you should go see a doc and let him know what's been happening.
Find a walk-in clinic or something.

newguy18 · 20th January 2008, 09:29 PM

when my w-2s get here.

LNG24 · 30th January 2008, 05:06 PM

I was referred here after having some issues with AS mods being A$$es

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18th January 2008, 07:54 PM	#76 (permalink)
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Live Oak Florida home of the crapiest trees you will ever see. Posts: 2,632	Re: How did you find Tree World? Its alright man.in the past 2 years I've gone from 4 pots of coffee a day to 1pot and now from that down to 2 cups a day.the headaches suck. __________________ Have your say join us today. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzkd_m4ivmc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzfzb...eature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-OqK...eature=related

18th January 2008, 08:22 PM	#77 (permalink)
Therrin The Tree World Bandit Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Lancaster, Ca Posts: 1,255	Re: How did you find Tree World? 4 pots of coffee a day???? That'd be the equivelant to tweaking, I'd think. No WONDER your heart is giving you trouble Newguy! Geeeeez! __________________ Ken Fessia I.T.S.A. Tree Service (661) 916-4703

18th January 2008, 08:27 PM	#78 (permalink)
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Live Oak Florida home of the crapiest trees you will ever see. Posts: 2,632	Re: How did you find Tree World? yep did it for 4 years.I quit drinking so much when I started having chest pains and found out about the hbp.I was also guzzling energy drinks like no tommorrow. __________________ Have your say join us today. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzkd_m4ivmc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzfzb...eature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-OqK...eature=related

19th January 2008, 08:19 PM	#80 (permalink)
treeseer Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: SE USA Posts: 536	Re: How did you find Tree World? Compare caffeine to the harder stuff if you like,but as you say the addictive levels and pain of withdrawal are not comparable, thank goodness. Hey newguy, what do you do for stimulation now? Many good nondrug strategies. __________________ Guy Meilleur \| Forensic Arborist \| Better Tree Care

19th January 2008, 08:32 PM	#81 (permalink)
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Live Oak Florida home of the crapiest trees you will ever see. Posts: 2,632	Re: How did you find Tree World? I'm naturally stimulated I guess.I usually go to bed a 1 and get up at 7 and go hard all day without to much hassle but slowed way down without as much caffiene[stupid heart not doing what i want it to do].I remember staying up for 72 hours straight once.lotta coffee and energy drinks those 3 days.did it when I was 14. __________________ Have your say join us today. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzkd_m4ivmc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzfzb...eature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-OqK...eature=related

20th January 2008, 04:22 AM	#84 (permalink)
treevet Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA Posts: 823	Re: How did you find Tree World? My bad, I missed a page, it s already answered.

20th January 2008, 05:14 AM	#85 (permalink)
Therrin The Tree World Bandit Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Lancaster, Ca Posts: 1,255	Re: How did you find Tree World? Treeseer, The addictive levels may well be similar, granted, the pain of withdrawl is not similar, but you need to see the real point he was trying to make. That point, is the overall effect that these things have on the body. They all affect similar chemical changes and basal reactions in the body, and can cause similar amounts of stress on bodily function. And while a single cup of coffe, or even 3, you might say is incomparable to meth, heroin, or cocaine.... it's not about a cup of coffee or 3. It's about 2 to 4 to 6 POTS of coffee a DAY! So in all reality, even the physical effect on the body may be similar, in that regard. __________________ Ken Fessia I.T.S.A. Tree Service (661) 916-4703

20th January 2008, 04:53 PM	#86 (permalink)
azrael Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Earth Australia Posts: 335	Re: How did you find Tree World? There's a significant amount of caffeine in TEA too. When I studied in my former Laboratory career...we did a prac session and extracted caffeine from brewed tea. A surprisingly large amount present.....but I could'nt give in exact milligrams/gm of leaf...it's too long ago. Moral...dont replace pots of coffee with pots of tea...it's nearly as bad.

20th January 2008, 05:31 PM	#87 (permalink)
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Live Oak Florida home of the crapiest trees you will ever see. Posts: 2,632	Re: How did you find Tree World? I got a moral too.reducing caffine intake sucks. __________________ Have your say join us today. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzkd_m4ivmc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzfzb...eature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-OqK...eature=related

20th January 2008, 07:03 PM	#88 (permalink)
Therrin The Tree World Bandit Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Lancaster, Ca Posts: 1,255	Re: How did you find Tree World? Probably not as much as the alternative. Still, you should go see a doc and let him know what's been happening. Find a walk-in clinic or something. __________________ Ken Fessia I.T.S.A. Tree Service (661) 916-4703

20th January 2008, 09:29 PM	#89 (permalink)
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Live Oak Florida home of the crapiest trees you will ever see. Posts: 2,632	Re: How did you find Tree World? when my w-2s get here. __________________ Have your say join us today. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzkd_m4ivmc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzfzb...eature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-OqK...eature=related

30th January 2008, 05:06 PM	#90 (permalink)
LNG24 Sappling Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: LaGrangeville, NY Posts: 8	Re: How did you find Tree World? I was referred here after having some issues with AS mods being A$$es __________________ Larry LNG Contracting LaGrangeville, NY Jonsered 2065 Turbo '03 GMC Yukon Cam Superline 3.5 Ton Dump Trailer Exmark Metro 48" Walk Behind Mower Polaris Sportsman 500 ...and lots more toys But what I really want is a: Timberwolf Log Splitter...Know of any used ones?