How did you find Tree World?

treevet · 16th January 2008, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by treeseer

And accurate too; recently a 25-page knockdowndragout thread erupted on certification, and ended with the original poster being converted from a cert-dissing fanatic to studying for the test. Economics and personal growth won out over stubbornness and ego.

So len recommended that his muni buds listen to working arbs, good. I hope he has continued to raise the level of his articles and especially his tests.

Don t recall any unpleasant exchanges with you. This is why I was surprised to see such a bitter and condescending post during your commercial for AS. BTW your "knock down, drag out....".......it was all just imaginary...(you know that....right?).

You couldn't recall me lashing out and over reacting bcs I got censored.

Take a look at my sentence and your response if you want overreaction.

treevet · 16th January 2008, 06:52 PM

PS. treating the ash doesn t remotely mean they are being saved. No sure treatment and besides treatments I described were a 3 to 6 year plan at approx 100k$ per year prior to cutting them down as the expense , in their mind, would finally become intollerable to the public by then. We re just talking about city trees.

Ekka · 16th January 2008, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by treeseer

Hey Eric, you ever seen the site? Maybe you could petition to get Oz cert folks to approve their ceu's.

Guy, we run, more like Len runs a sub forum here with the articles and we can comment etc.

Online seminars - Tree World

I like the idea personally and read them.

treeseer · 17th January 2008, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Ekka

Guy, we run, more like Len runs a sub forum here with the articles and we can comment etc.
I like the idea personally and read them.

I just read two; generally good info and based on better sources than some I'd seen in the past. The tests are still the major issue--the wording is way unclear and requires a lot of guesswork on the questioner's intent. Compare them to the Arborist News tests; those HAVE to be more tightly worded, or they get tossed. The MC instead of T-F format makes them much harder, and better verifies understanding.

Again, I'm encouraged by the improvement in the research and the writing, but overall the test quality, and the fact that by taking them arborists can stay recertified without leaving their computers, imo diminishes the value and credibility of certification. This is an ISA-Cert committee issue; no reflection on Len's good efforts.

treevet · 17th January 2008, 08:57 PM

Most of my recert credits, prior to his passing were Alex Shigo seminars. I have recertified 5 times over l5 years for 150 credit hours. The other end is when you get stuck in a seminar with a self important, boring, redundant speaker. Been to many of both and many in between. Never took a test to verify knowledge or retention in one of them. Have any of you?

Ekka · 17th January 2008, 09:06 PM

Can some-one explain how many points you need how often to stay certified please? Just wondering.

treevet · 17th January 2008, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Ekka

Can some-one explain how many points you need how often to stay certified please? Just wondering.

30 approved credit hours per 3 years Eric.

treevet · 17th January 2008, 09:20 PM

Another delayed thought. This is the part of certification that really matters. I think the test is just an initiation. Not very hard IMO. We recert you are forced to keep learning and in the process should keep current.

I really ISA would acknowledge this time/credit acquisition on your certification number of somehow. It would probably keep more indivs from quitting.

Ekka · 17th January 2008, 09:20 PM

So those seminars you get 1/2 point each, maybe rack up 4 points every 2 months so over 3 years just doing Lens seminars means you keep your cert.

I'd say the stress would be on the writer to get articles.

treevet · 17th January 2008, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Ekka

So those seminars you get 1/2 point each, maybe rack up 4 points every 2 months so over 3 years just doing Lens seminars means you keep your cert.

I'd say the stress would be on the writer to get articles.

I ve just been doing Len s seminars for a short period and find I learn some stuff and relearn some other stuff. I think it is a great idea but I think and prob others do also that a full diet of only this would not be advisable. Shigo used to have these glorious seminars with great food in incredibly gorgeous locations that hopefully will be taken up by someone that has walked the walk and can talk the talk such that he could. Kim Coder comes to mind.

I d also say that the stress is on the writer!

Ekka · 17th January 2008, 09:51 PM

There's a new way to get CEU's right here, every 100 posts earns 1 CEU.

Just kidding.

But frankly, if you weren't interested in trees why the heck would you do this job?

In that context a tree worker goes along merrily doing take downs, day after day, year after year, rigging, cranes, towers, falling and so on ... Graeme McMahon comes to mind as do many other tree workers such as the Ace boys.

After 3 years some knob reckons your not cutting the grade and lose your cert.

That aint right either, could end up with an industry full of certified lip service no hoper book worms.

treevet · 18th January 2008, 05:35 AM

Without certs anywhere, prob would end up with an industry of predominantly tree "garbage removal companies"

Might not be an entirely bad idea to start some kind of a thread certification with relevant posts of a couple of hundred of posts for a year and have them board judged by the qualified arborists group. It wouldn t be so imidating as a real cert test and would serve to get the dude (or dudess) on their way to a life of learning.

treeseer · 18th January 2008, 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by treevet

start some kind of a thread certification with relevant posts of a couple of hundred of posts for a year and have them board judged by the qualified arborists group.

What group is this? Not sure the committee (volunteers) could take this kind of thing on.

"I really ISA would acknowledge this time/credit acquisition on your certification number of somehow."

No comprende' amigo. The stress definitely is on the writer!

TreeCo · 18th January 2008, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by treeseer

And accurate too; recently a 25-page knockdowndragout thread erupted on certification, and ended with the original poster being converted from a cert-dissing fanatic to studying for the test. Economics and personal growth won out over stubbornness and ego.

So len recommended that his muni buds listen to working arbs, good. I hope he has continued to raise the level of his articles and especially his tests.

Almost every Certification bashing thread and tree abuse post at AS ends with the basher looking the fool, thanks to Guy and several other members. As a moderator there I feel I show quite a bit of pro certification bias just by my signature showing that I'm an ISA Certified Arborist. One of my goals is to provide a level playing field for the discussion of arboriculture. I'm trying to avoid the almost unavoidable appearance of using my moderator status as a 'hammer' to win a discussion.

On another related subject:

I contacted Len Phillips via email some time ago about posting notices at AS about the online CEU program that he runs and that I would offer him some degree of protection from harassment ...............so far...no love! ....or even a returned email. Those that know me know this is where I may delve into sarcastic comments......but I'm learning to exercise restraint! .

Great site you've got here Ekka. I've been here from the start and I know you've worked hard to get where you are.

Dan

newguy18 · 18th January 2008, 10:10 AM

so how much does it cost to take the test?do they also make you demonstrate your climbing ability or is it strictly written?i'm studying now but would likeall the help i can get.

TreeCo · 18th January 2008, 10:18 AM

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16th January 2008, 06:52 PM	#52 (permalink)
treevet Astronaut Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 598	Re: How did you find Tree World? PS. treating the ash doesn t remotely mean they are being saved. No sure treatment and besides treatments I described were a 3 to 6 year plan at approx 100k$ per year prior to cutting them down as the expense , in their mind, would finally become intollerable to the public by then. We re just talking about city trees.

17th January 2008, 08:57 PM	#55 (permalink)
treevet Astronaut Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 598	Re: How did you find Tree World? Most of my recert credits, prior to his passing were Alex Shigo seminars. I have recertified 5 times over l5 years for 150 credit hours. The other end is when you get stuck in a seminar with a self important, boring, redundant speaker. Been to many of both and many in between. Never took a test to verify knowledge or retention in one of them. Have any of you?

17th January 2008, 09:06 PM	#56 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 5,664	Re: How did you find Tree World? Can some-one explain how many points you need how often to stay certified please? Just wondering. __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

17th January 2008, 09:20 PM	#58 (permalink)
treevet Astronaut Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 598	Re: How did you find Tree World? Another delayed thought. This is the part of certification that really matters. I think the test is just an initiation. Not very hard IMO. We recert you are forced to keep learning and in the process should keep current. I really ISA would acknowledge this time/credit acquisition on your certification number of somehow. It would probably keep more indivs from quitting.

17th January 2008, 09:20 PM	#59 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 5,664	Re: How did you find Tree World? So those seminars you get 1/2 point each, maybe rack up 4 points every 2 months so over 3 years just doing Lens seminars means you keep your cert. I'd say the stress would be on the writer to get articles. __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

17th January 2008, 09:51 PM	#61 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 5,664	Re: How did you find Tree World? There's a new way to get CEU's right here, every 100 posts earns 1 CEU. Just kidding. But frankly, if you weren't interested in trees why the heck would you do this job? In that context a tree worker goes along merrily doing take downs, day after day, year after year, rigging, cranes, towers, falling and so on ... Graeme McMahon comes to mind as do many other tree workers such as the Ace boys. After 3 years some knob reckons your not cutting the grade and lose your cert. That aint right either, could end up with an industry full of certified lip service no hoper book worms. __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

18th January 2008, 05:35 AM	#62 (permalink)
treevet Astronaut Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 598	Re: How did you find Tree World? Without certs anywhere, prob would end up with an industry of predominantly tree "garbage removal companies" Might not be an entirely bad idea to start some kind of a thread certification with relevant posts of a couple of hundred of posts for a year and have them board judged by the qualified arborists group. It wouldn t be so imidating as a real cert test and would serve to get the dude (or dudess) on their way to a life of learning.

18th January 2008, 10:10 AM	#65 (permalink)
newguy18 Tree World Icon Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Live Oak Florida home of the crapiest trees you will ever see. Posts: 2,185	Re: How did you find Tree World? so how much does it cost to take the test?do they also make you demonstrate your climbing ability or is it strictly written?i'm studying now but would likeall the help i can get. __________________ Have your say join us today. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzkd_m4ivmc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzfzb...eature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-OqK...eature=related