HELP!! - Wikipedia Definition of "Arborist"

Therrin · 16th February 2008, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Treelore

There is also a state certification for every state in America which is usually a more localized test showing you know plant species and vectors in a given area.=

Could you please be more specific with the information which this statement is based upon? I hadn't heard of such state-specific cert's before. I'm interested as to how this works.

Treelore · 16th February 2008, 10:56 PM

like the California arborist association. Each state has a state cert test that can be taken in addition to say the ISA. So ISA is generalized Arb and state cert is a little more area specific generally.

Therrin · 16th February 2008, 11:26 PM

Haven't ever heard of it.... have you any links?

Treelore · 16th February 2008, 11:31 PM

Therrin just google any state+ arborist association!!

Treelore · 17th February 2008, 12:21 AM

retract the above Therrin. My apologies. I did some research into it and the only 2 states that I can find that offer state certification are MA and NH. I tried about 6 others and they only seem to offer ISA so wasn't gonna google them all. It was just my understanding all states were the same. I guess not. Maybe something to bring up to your local association.
Still the concept holds true and I love the idea of area based accreditation.

osb_mail · 17th February 2008, 02:08 AM

Ohio only has certification with ISA .

Eric Frei · 17th February 2008, 10:49 AM

Some counties like our councils here can have their own licencing system. You have to sit and pass their test, get a licence then you are allowed to practice tree work.

Bloody great idea, wish they did it here.

Eric Frei · 17th February 2008, 01:13 PM

Near the top of the article I was also bewildered by this sweeping statement.

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Certified Line Clearance Tree Trimmers are the only persons allowed to work within ten feet of an energized conductor.

Another load of BS, I have an M31 close approach ticket, many places offer an arborist electrical training to get closer, also the higher the voltage the further distance so this is grossly inaccurate and misleading on multiple counts. Seems to me this whole thing is so pro USA it aint funny.

Also, the certified arborist thing seems to be covered reasonably well here ... however I think more specific information is required as to what the questions are about, like rope structure, cabling, climbing, knots etc.

Certified arborist - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Jeff Darby · 17th February 2008, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Ekka

Some counties like our councils here can have their own licencing system. You have to sit and pass their test, get a licence then you are allowed to practice tree work.

Bloody great idea, wish they did it here.

Yes this idea is a start,But how comprehensive would the test be?..Would this test be the equivilient to the years of study,subjects covered in depth..That an Australian Arborist has to do to get his qualifications?...Other trades you have to prove that you have practical experience as well, Under an qualified tradesman, Provide written referances from your boss and also aquire them from small jobs you have done for under $200..to get your license.
To be a qualified Arborist here you have to competant in many subjects from identifying Trees, understanding soils,work to OHS standards for safety,we are even asscessed in chainsaw operation etc..etc the list goes on, If you fail a module you have to come back and get it right or you simply dont pass.
To sit an exam and pass would be good as long as it's comprehensive as the test a Fully trained and asscessed Arborist do.IMO.

Eric Frei · 17th February 2008, 02:03 PM

I agree, it would be easier to say you must hold the equivalent of AQF Level3 to practice tree work on trees greater than 5m in height.

I use the 5m rule as many gardeners and lawn men are restricted to 5m in height for their insurance ... seems some-one has drawn the line on where tree work and shrub shearers meet.

Eric Frei · 17th February 2008, 03:17 PM

Talk is cheap, I have started to make changes.

This

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Certified Line Clearance Tree Trimmers are the only persons allowed to work within ten feet of an energized conductor.

To this is a start

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To work near power wires either additional training is required for arborists or they need to be Certified Line Clearance trimmers or Utility Arborists (there may be different terminology for various countries). There's a variety of minimum distances that must be kept from power wires depending on voltage, however the common distance for low voltage lines in urban settings is 10'. ( American National Standards Institute Z.133- and International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers)

Eric Frei · 17th February 2008, 05:16 PM

I have done a fair bit now and left discussion logs for them.

The pictures is what really needs work.

Behind the wiki scenes there's a discussion thing where I have lifted the comments pertaining to pictures. The bottom bold bit I just wrote over there however if you look at the time stamps it's a while since anyone said much.

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Photos

I think it is disappointing that you removed the other photos. They were clearer and really showed some context to the work of a tree surgeon. If notbody objects I shall put them back. However, I think your other changes were generally good, although the article has lost its international flavour and seems to be only being written from a European perspective. Maustrauser 23:37, 24 November 2006 (UTC) One of the main reasons I placed another photo up was because the original photographs showed someone working without the proper protective apparel that a professional arborist should use, i.e. hard hat, hearing protection, and eye protection. I know the photo isn't the greatest, I'm sure I can find a better one or someone else will contribute one. As far as European perspective, I don't know what to say, I'm from the US. I did remove some terms that were not really relevant (I feel) to the entry.--Trees4est 17:54, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Your reasoning was sound but the photos showed a bloke actually doing something. A comment along the lines of noting the lack of safety gear would be appropriate. For some reason, tree surgeons in Australia don't wear all the material you list. They might simply have a death wish. Maustrauser 23:11, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

For the record tree workers in Australia have strong OHS commitment to wear correct PPE and have done so for a very long time. The image of the Aussie up the tree is the type of stuff that professionals are trying to stamp out. On the Forum we have tons of pics and are in the progress of getting pictures that not only showcase PPE but the skill and risk the profession carries. There was talk of not letting gardeners/landscapers etc work at heights and get a professional so if the pictures can not only showcase the profession but show the dangers it may slow a few of the land lubbers and home owners down. Regarding having pictures of 10' trees and auditorium training sessions ... what's the point? This is a dangerous profession highly unregulated in most places, there's no point in dumbing it down to a gardeners level but rather increase the profile of the job. Also, what job doesn't entail some auditorium training visit, it's a common theme to everything isn't it? I see it as an opportunity squandered on the true brilliance of the people who do this job. we have pictures of large tree transplants, crane work, tower work, trimming, climbing etc ... that is what needs to be showcased here. I'm sure there's a wiki section for nurserymen and landscapers somewhere but this section is trees. Most gardeners/landscapers here have insurance cut off when the trees exceed 5m in ht, it draws the line between tree work and general gardening. --Eric Frei (talk) 06:13, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Eric Frei · 17th February 2008, 05:40 PM

Transplant pic I reckon this one.

Eric Frei · 17th February 2008, 05:54 PM

How about this picture.

Eric Frei · 17th February 2008, 06:51 PM

Pruning?

Oh, go to wiki, these are on there.

Arborist - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Eric Frei · 17th February 2008, 07:02 PM

Treelore · 17th February 2008, 07:50 PM

Ekka, The Fig transplant I spoke of is about 20 times larger than that transplant you show.

Eric Frei · 17th February 2008, 07:57 PM

Yeah, but we needs pics and can change over pics there anytime, in fact anyone can do anything over at Wiki ... it can be a circus.

Therrin · 17th February 2008, 09:17 PM

Ekka, I like the pics and changes you've gone towards instituting so far. 2:15am and I just got home. Tired now, gonna check up on threads and head to bed.

Thanks for jumping up and taking out the slack with this thread. I'll contribute some more info tomorow, as well as work on the Wiki. Dead tired, was doing concrete/block/footing work today, not tree work, and it's exponentially more back-breaking.

Thx for all of your efforts thus far!!

Sean Freeman · 17th February 2008, 10:07 PM

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Ekka, The Fig transplant I spoke of is about 20 times larger than that transplant you show.

Hmmm 20 times 26Tonnes thats a pretty big tree

Remember its not how big it is, but how you handle it that matters

Treelore · 17th February 2008, 10:30 PM

Hahaha Sean. All too true. But this is an enormous transplant. 6 lead Ficus collective DBH over 1.5 M and a 20m spread. Close to the largest move I have seen. It's not going far but impressive none the less.
Are you talking 26 tonne ball and tree or ball only?

Sean Freeman · 17th February 2008, 10:32 PM

1st tree and ball 26T 2nd tree and ball 35T (from memory)

Treelore · 17th February 2008, 10:34 PM

Well the root ball of those trees hardly takes up the space of the buttress root system of this fig!! Let alone the earth being moved.....enormous transplant.

Sean Freeman · 17th February 2008, 10:37 PM

Well you'll just have to make sure you provide plenty of pics and details of the whole process eh...

Treelore · 17th February 2008, 10:54 PM

Not my move but I will detail as much as I can. It's an inducted site so access is limited.

Done it · 18th February 2008, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Ekka

How about this picture.

Good job Ekka, this a great pic. Pity they don't have videos, that one by Angus, Tahune, would wake a few people up.

Victor Lindsay · 21st February 2008, 08:10 AM

Great changes!! I don't know what was there before, but it appears correct now.

Eric Frei · 21st February 2008, 06:20 PM

Here's the link to the discussion page.

Talk:Arborist - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And from the very bottom it appears a guy who has an empty profile, not using his real name wants to run the show.

He goes by the name Trees4est

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Recent edits

Okay, so Eric Frei recently did a number of edits on the page. I think that perhaps before you perform any further edits you should make sure that anything written be in the tone and style of an encyclopedia (not that the stuff was too off in that department, just a bit). I will say the page doesn't really need a large section of Australian regulation and licensing information, nor does it need regulations for workers here. If there is a good link pointing to regs, it seems that would suffice. If you feel the tone is too US-centric, please feel free to address it here and maybe propose changes before editing (for short edits), or at least don't be surprised if your edits get reverted or edited. Certainly it's a valid concern for many pages being written from one perspective or one country's perspective, and it should not. That's the good thing about many people editing. But it's important to keep these pages pared down and concise, neutral, and accessible to the general public. Every detailed element of being an arborist doesn't necessarily need to be addressed. If I have any time in the near future, I may work on this page as well, if so I will either talk about it here first or check here for feedback afterwards.--Trees4est (talk) 21:16, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes it needs to be addressed as it varies so much unlike other professions.--Eric Frei (talk) 12:36, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

You decide, looks like Wiki Wank to me.

treeseer · 22nd February 2008, 12:17 PM

Lovely work eric; i've taled to trees4est elsewhere and he seems ok as far as it goes...

Eric Frei · 22nd February 2008, 02:36 PM

Who is he Guy? No profile filled in over there.

16th February 2008, 10:56 PM	#32
Treelore Former Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Brisbane Posts: 104	Re: HELP!! - Wikipedia Definition of "Arborist" like the California arborist association. Each state has a state cert test that can be taken in addition to say the ISA. So ISA is generalized Arb and state cert is a little more area specific generally.

16th February 2008, 11:26 PM	#33
Therrin Former Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Bakersfield, Ca Posts: 2,512	Re: HELP!! - Wikipedia Definition of "Arborist" Haven't ever heard of it.... have you any links?

16th February 2008, 11:31 PM	#34
Treelore Former Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Brisbane Posts: 104	Re: HELP!! - Wikipedia Definition of "Arborist" Therrin just google any state+ arborist association!!

17th February 2008, 12:21 AM	#35
Treelore Former Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Brisbane Posts: 104	Re: HELP!! - Wikipedia Definition of "Arborist" retract the above Therrin. My apologies. I did some research into it and the only 2 states that I can find that offer state certification are MA and NH. I tried about 6 others and they only seem to offer ISA so wasn't gonna google them all. It was just my understanding all states were the same. I guess not. Maybe something to bring up to your local association. Still the concept holds true and I love the idea of area based accreditation.

17th February 2008, 02:08 AM	#36
osb_mail Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: ohio Posts: 202	Re: HELP!! - Wikipedia Definition of "Arborist" Ohio only has certification with ISA .

17th February 2008, 10:49 AM	#37
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,820	Re: HELP!! - Wikipedia Definition of "Arborist" Some counties like our councils here can have their own licencing system. You have to sit and pass their test, get a licence then you are allowed to practice tree work. Bloody great idea, wish they did it here. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

17th February 2008, 02:03 PM	#40
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,820	Re: HELP!! - Wikipedia Definition of "Arborist" I agree, it would be easier to say you must hold the equivalent of AQF Level3 to practice tree work on trees greater than 5m in height. I use the 5m rule as many gardeners and lawn men are restricted to 5m in height for their insurance ... seems some-one has drawn the line on where tree work and shrub shearers meet. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

17th February 2008, 05:40 PM	#43
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,820	Re: HELP!! - Wikipedia Definition of "Arborist" Transplant pic I reckon this one. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

17th February 2008, 05:54 PM	#44
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,820	Re: HELP!! - Wikipedia Definition of "Arborist" How about this picture. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

17th February 2008, 06:51 PM	#45
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,820	Re: HELP!! - Wikipedia Definition of "Arborist" Pruning? Oh, go to wiki, these are on there. Arborist - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

17th February 2008, 07:02 PM	#46
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,820	Re: HELP!! - Wikipedia Definition of "Arborist" __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

17th February 2008, 07:50 PM	#47
Treelore Former Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Brisbane Posts: 104	Re: HELP!! - Wikipedia Definition of "Arborist" Ekka, The Fig transplant I spoke of is about 20 times larger than that transplant you show.

17th February 2008, 07:57 PM	#48
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,820	Re: HELP!! - Wikipedia Definition of "Arborist" Yeah, but we needs pics and can change over pics there anytime, in fact anyone can do anything over at Wiki ... it can be a circus. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

17th February 2008, 09:17 PM	#49
Therrin Former Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Bakersfield, Ca Posts: 2,512	Re: HELP!! - Wikipedia Definition of "Arborist" Ekka, I like the pics and changes you've gone towards instituting so far. 2:15am and I just got home. Tired now, gonna check up on threads and head to bed. Thanks for jumping up and taking out the slack with this thread. I'll contribute some more info tomorow, as well as work on the Wiki. Dead tired, was doing concrete/block/footing work today, not tree work, and it's exponentially more back-breaking. Thx for all of your efforts thus far!!

17th February 2008, 10:30 PM	#51
Treelore Former Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Brisbane Posts: 104	Re: HELP!! - Wikipedia Definition of "Arborist" Hahaha Sean. All too true. But this is an enormous transplant. 6 lead Ficus collective DBH over 1.5 M and a 20m spread. Close to the largest move I have seen. It's not going far but impressive none the less. Are you talking 26 tonne ball and tree or ball only?

17th February 2008, 10:32 PM	#52
Sean Freeman Monument Status Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,985	Re: HELP!! - Wikipedia Definition of "Arborist" 1st tree and ball 26T 2nd tree and ball 35T (from memory)

17th February 2008, 10:34 PM	#53
Treelore Former Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Brisbane Posts: 104	Re: HELP!! - Wikipedia Definition of "Arborist" Well the root ball of those trees hardly takes up the space of the buttress root system of this fig!! Let alone the earth being moved.....enormous transplant.

17th February 2008, 10:37 PM	#54
Sean Freeman Monument Status Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,985	Re: HELP!! - Wikipedia Definition of "Arborist" Well you'll just have to make sure you provide plenty of pics and details of the whole process eh...

17th February 2008, 10:54 PM	#55
Treelore Former Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Brisbane Posts: 104	Re: HELP!! - Wikipedia Definition of "Arborist" Not my move but I will detail as much as I can. It's an inducted site so access is limited.

21st February 2008, 08:10 AM	#57
Victor Lindsay Mature tree Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Earth Posts: 421	Re: HELP!! - Wikipedia Definition of "Arborist" Great changes!! I don't know what was there before, but it appears correct now.

22nd February 2008, 12:17 PM	#59
treeseer Former Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: SE USA Posts: 753	Re: HELP!! - Wikipedia Definition of "Arborist" Lovely work eric; i've taled to trees4est elsewhere and he seems ok as far as it goes...

22nd February 2008, 02:36 PM	#60
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,820	Re: HELP!! - Wikipedia Definition of "Arborist" Who is he Guy? No profile filled in over there. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

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