Brisbane River Mangroves Cut Down

Eric Frei · 19th July 2010, 03:57 PM

The first story has 109 online comments when I just posted this, seems people are not happy. The second story has a poll you can vote on, at time of posting this it was 71% saying the mangroves should be protected.

One thing that has been missed by all reporters is that these mangrove trees are planted stock, they were planted by Southbank Corp around 15 years ago, this is the old Brisbane EXPO site, prior to that it was industrial wharves.

As it was inter-tidal zone it was Dept of Fisheries call on these trees not Brisbane City Council. There's more news to come about this site that is for sure, but do note that if you planted a tree on the footpath then decided you wanted it gone at a whim although there was nothing wrong with it, what do you reckon your chances would be?

South Bank Corporation removing Brisbane River mangroves so visitors can 'enjoy green space' | Courier Mail

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July 19, 2010 12:00AM

RESIDENTS and conservationists say the State Government is being hypocritical in approving the clearing and trimming of more than 1000sq m of Brisbane River mangroves in a South Bank redevelopment.

Ironically, the South Bank Corporation has promoted the redevelopment, saying it will ensure visitors "can enjoy new quality green space".

A resident, who declined to be named, said mangroves were being cleared basically to allow coffee-drinkers a view and for people on kayaks to alight.

"These are no reasons to be ripping mangroves out," he said. "If a resident cuts down mangroves, they get the book thrown at them, and rightly so."

Wildlife Queensland president Simon Baltais said the clearing was yet another example of the Government not living by its own rules.

"The Government has got major programs educating people about the importance of mangroves, yet it goes and does quite the opposite," he said.

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"I don't see any reason for these trees to be mown down."

Fisheries Queensland principal scientist John Beumer said 585sq m of mangroves would be removed and a further 506sq m trimmed.

Dr Beumer said a condition of approval was that habitat loss be offset. This would lead to 24ha of mangrove being restored at Hay's Inlet north of the city, public education and a university scholarship dedicated to habitat research.

But Mr Baltais said the river and Moreton Bay were dying the death of 1000 cuts.

"They also are destroying one of Brisbane's main features – its greenery," he said.

"There are few cities in the world that are as green as Brisbane and greenery is so important for people."

Anyone clearing illegally faces fines up to $300,000.

Mangrove Removal At South Bank May Hurt Brisbane River

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July 19, 2010 - 12:36PM

Water quality in the Brisbane River could be compromised by a decision to remove mangroves at South Bank.

University of Queensland mangroves expert Norman Duke said the damage to the river could be widespread.

Dr Duke said about 40 species of wildlife could be affected and it could have an impact on the quality of Brisbane River water.

"The mangroves act as filters for cleaning up the river ways of sediments and deposits," Dr Duke told brisbanetimes.com.au.

"There could [also] be an aspect of erosion mitigation as well, where mangroves play a role in keeping the edges of the river together."

Aesthetic values also should be taken into account, Dr Duke said.

Despite publicly championing water quality issues in the Brisbane River in recent years, Lord Mayor Campbell Newman's office refused interview requests.

South Bank Corporation has approval to remove 585 square metres - about half the size of a block of land - of mangroves and to trim a further 506 square metres.

Fisheries Queensland gave the go-ahead for South Bank to remove the mangroves.

Managing director Jim Groves said the approval would result in the removal of between 300 and 400 trees.

Mr Groves said the department only considered how fish habitats would be affected - and not wider environmental concerns - when it assessed the application.

He said that was in line with state law, which included mangrove protection in the Fisheries Act rather than within environmental protection legislation.

"The purpose of protecting mangroves from our point of view is about the fish habitat they provide," Mr Groves told ABC Radio.

South Bank Corporation chief executive officer Malcolm Snow said the work would create a "new direct riverfront public open space" that would improve access to the river for activities such as kayaking.

The corporation had consulted environmentalists and arborists during the "long" application process, he said.

"Only 40 per cent of the existing mangroves that were in that location have actually been removed," Mr Snow told ABC Radio.

"Sixty per cent are being retained. They will continue to be managed as we have for many years.

"The site we're talking about is in the middle of the central city - there are mangroves along the other 87 kilometres of the Brisbane River and we're talking about a very discreet section of mangroves.

"This will provide direct access to the water."

The removed mangroves had originally been planted to "hide the muddy riverbank", Mr Snow said.

To offset the mangrove loss, 24 hectares of mangrove forest at Hays Inlet, off Bramble Bay, would be restored and a university scholarship dedicated to habitat research would be funded.

However, Dr Duke said that would do little to address the impact on the South Bank area.

He said the accumulative effect of removing individual pockets of mangroves needed to be taken into account.

South-east Queensland had already lost 900 hectares of mangrove to Brisbane Airport and about 10 per cent of the 12,000 hectares of mangrove on Moreton Island were in a "dead state", Dr Duke said.

A United Nations Environment Program report released last week found global mangrove forests are being lost up to four times faster than land forests.

"As every development takes what might be considered an insignificant area, over the years every little piece becomes an accumulated huge loss," Dr Duke said.

"Now in the Brisbane River there really is very few mangrove areas remaining that might support some wildlife."

Brent Ferris · 19th July 2010, 05:59 PM

It is a pity that Fisheries, arguably an environmental stronghold in its own right, can argue and decide to remove an important part of the environment, purportedly to serve the needs of the fish, when undoubtedly the mangroves do enhance fish habitat -- and yet not be faced with fines. If the decision process was so long, how is it that this is only now coming to the attention of the media? If arborists were involved, surely they should be named and their opinions should be shared with the public. If an aspect of public life - kayakers -- is going to be improved, then the general public should have access to the process documents, and the discussions, so that all can see that all is above board. (no pun intended)

Jeff Darby · 19th July 2010, 08:33 PM

Once more i find myself smelling a foul odour coming from a project underway on the shores of a river in Brisbane.

Destuction of mangroves is not on ! If this was Joe Citizen requesting a rear boat ramp off his or hers property or the removal of trees, err, mangroves from the rear of their home to improve views would it get the go ahead?? I think not !

So why is this project getting the green light ? is it because they can do what they like but we have to tow the line and are bound by their laws which they change when ever they like, this is not on.

Wake up Brisbane do some thing about this !

Eric Frei · 19th July 2010, 10:03 PM

I assure you if you dig deep enough you'll find QAA boys in there.

Eric Frei · 5th November 2010, 08:29 PM

Lord Mayor Campbell Newman welcomes South Bank planning changes

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November 5, 2010

Lord Mayor Campbell Newman has backed Premier Anna Bligh's plan to wind back South Bank Corporation's planning powers, saying she was was "right on the money".

Cr Newman has been a vocal critic of the ABC's new building at South Bank and last week complained about a development around a heritage-listed house on Grey Street.

Cr Newman said he had problems with South Bank's approval processes.

"It is like Campbell Newman and the Council said to a developer, 'Yeah, it's OK, you can build a 20-storey building on New Farm Park and, by the way, we will go and change the City Plan afterwards to then allow that to happen," he said.

"That's what they did."

Ms Bligh yesterday exclusively revealed to brisbanetimes.com.au the time was approaching for South Bank's planning powers to curtailed.

Ms Bligh said a separate body should stay to manage the South Bank site.

South Bank Corporation chief executive Malcolm Snow said the organisation recognised its planning powers could be repealed when development of the site was finished.

"The timing of that decision is for the government to determine however, we are totally focused on the task of creating the world's best new urban precinct. We are well on the way to the realisation of that vision," he said.

Mr Snow said South Bank had worked co-operatively with council.

"We have endeavoured to constructively resolve all issues raised by the council, in a way that it is not officially bound to do, in the best interests of both the precinct and the city," he said.

Mr Snow said he doubted the space would be "the success it is today" without the South Bank authority.

Cr Newman said he agreed that South Bank Corporation had a role in managing the site and should be able to keep its revenue streams to manage the state government-owned facilities.

"But if you wanted to go and build a new building there, or modify an existing building, then council - as the democratically-elected local government - would be the planning authority," he said.

"And that would be fine."

Brisbane's South Bank Corporation Planning Powers Under Review

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November 4, 2010

South Bank Corporation could soon be stripped of its extraordinary powers to approve developments, following council complaints about being shut out of the planning process.

Premier Anna Bligh told brisbanetimes.com.au the body managing the tourism hotspot and its surrounds, South Bank Corporation, would not need to keep its special planning powers forever.

Ms Bligh yesterday signalled the powers could be rolled back “in the not-too-distant future”.

“It’s on the radar,” she said.

The comments follow complaints by Brisbane City Council about the South Bank Corporation’s “tentative approval” of a $650 million development that could dwarf a 120-year-old house.

Ms Bligh will have final sign-off on the 15-storey Grey Street project. She has promised to listen to feedback from the Queensland Heritage Council.

But Brisbane City Council, angry about its inability to manage planning in the area, last week called for South Bank Corporation to be wound up.

Legislation introduced in 1989 established South Bank Corporation to develop and manage the now-popular parklands precinct in the wake of Expo '88.

The area under its control includes land on Little Stanley Street and parts of Grey Street, along with the Brisbane Convention and Exhibition Centre block.

Developers wishing to build in the area must apply to South Bank Corporation rather than Brisbane City Council, which is responsible for approvals in most other parts of the city.

The special body may consult with the council “in the way the corporation considers appropriate” and is allowed to overrule the local planning scheme. The Premier has the final say.

Ms Bligh said there would continue to be a need for a separate body to administer South Bank as a precinct.

“Having said that, whether or not the body that oversees it continues to have a need for their own planning powers is a legitimate question,” she said.

“I think there does come a time – and I think they’re pretty close to it – where they don't need necessarily to maintain those specific planning powers.”

Ms Bligh said she believed South Bank Corporation was set up with the understanding there would be a point when it didn’t require its own development powers anymore.

But South Bank Corporation’s powers and concept plan had served a purpose over the past two decades, she said.

Ms Bligh said the former Expo site had been transformed from “basically a big dirt carpark” into a well-developed, popular precinct.

“In my mind there’s no doubt whatsoever that we would not have that sensational precinct if the planning for it had changed every time there was a new council or a new state government,” she said.

Comment was sought last night from South Bank Corporation.

There is no clear legislative timeframe on the removal of the corporation's planning powers.

Brisbane City Council planning committee chair Amanda Cooper last week demanded the abolition of South Bank Corporation, saying it was “no longer acting in the best interests of Brisbane residents”.

S.O.P · 5th November 2010, 10:44 PM

I've posted it before (or a different angle of it) but look what happens when there is one small area of mangrove missing.

Bye bye tessalaris.

Eric Frei · 21st December 2010, 09:23 AM

So what has been happening at this site?

Have a look at the aerial photo's, you'll see the time line in order circled in red along with the mangrove trees fate. You'll first see the batch removed, then you'll see a bunch of gaps in the remaining. So what is happening?

The answer is the remaining mango trees were topped (lopped) in batches. There was around 10m topped then 10m left and so on.

So what has become of the topped mangrove trees, did they resprout or die? I don't know .... have to visit I suppose.

When will the rest be topped? I don't know but Southbank Corporation is an entity of it's own but BCC is going to get control back, you'd have to ask them.

But why do this you ask? So the caffè latte drinkers sitting in the new cafe's get a view of course as the mangrove trees were too tall to see over and too dense to see through. Oh the privileges of council.

Garry Brockley · 21st December 2010, 06:48 PM

Thats discusting how can they have one rule for one and another for the rich and thier cronies?

Eric Frei · 21st December 2010, 06:56 PM

These are the stories you'll never see printed in The Arbor Age.

Jeff Darby · 21st December 2010, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric Frei

These are the stories you'll never see printed in The Arbor Age.

Treeworld always posts " The Brutal Truth "

Here's living proof "money talks bullshyte walks " who ever wrote the specs for this site needs a reprimand

! Pure habitat destruction !!

This is so wrong

Eric Frei · 21st December 2010, 07:42 PM

Yes it's very comforting to print your "article" in The Arbor Age where no-one can reply or respond, well of course they can write in about it but that seldom gets published unless of course it is praise.

Victor Lindsay · 22nd December 2010, 10:07 PM

Are the topped mangroves red, white or black? If red, they will die!

Davo The Terrible · 23rd December 2010, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by vl2007

Are the topped mangroves red, white or black? If red, they will die!

Don't know for sure, but most of the mangroves along this part of the river are the Grey Mangrove (Avicennia marina), so that's what i'd be putting my money on. What are the botanical names of these red, white and black ones you speak of?

Victor Lindsay · 24th December 2010, 03:28 AM

Red mangrove (Rhizophora mangle )
Black mangrove (Avicennia germinans)
White mangrove (Laguncularia racemosa)

Victor Lindsay · 24th December 2010, 03:34 AM

Also, here in the Florida keys, if they cut mangrove like that with out permits, they not only would get a huge fine, but they would more than likely go to jail for some time.

Garry Brockley · 24th December 2010, 08:38 AM

Ah yes but in florida the local gov't isnt run and influenced largely by the people who carry out these things, so getting a result like that would be hard.
As we keep on saying the BCC needs a complete shake down, new blood introduced and the cronies kicked into touch. I hope the right people get severely repremanded for this.

Eric Frei · 24th December 2010, 09:16 AM

Any vegetation on the tidal zone is Dept of Fisheries. they gave the approval.

Southbank Corporation is a council within it's own right, they wanted the idea, and have had it already in the past. Had what you ask?

Topped then hedge trimmed mangrove trees.

Id you look at the first aerial picture (beneath the date on that picture) you'll notice the very tidy mangroves, they're actually hedge trimmed.

The idea was to top them, let them bush up and then hedge trim it. Of course the logistics in how you hedge trim something like that is another matter, you are not allowed to walk around on the roots (tidal zone), the height is awkward at around 3m above river level and what about the width of the hedge. Those who hedge trim would know of the difficulty in trimming something 5m wide, now add a river beneath you. Apparently trimmed leaves are OK to fall into the water and float away but the initial lopping was not allowed the same leniency and all cuttings had to be removed (preferably not dropped in the water/bank) by slewing a tower bucker and dropping off the cuttings on the foreshore.

What about the uncut sections, can they be accessed for work now or not, there's buildings in the way now so EWP to reach out over the river isn't viable anymore.

James Sayers · 29th December 2010, 06:08 PM

i think u will find it was an arborist with a level 6 that wrote the report to have the mangroves cut/removed but thats just what i was told

Eric Frei · 22nd April 2011, 11:30 AM

I have acquired some documents.

First of all here's an impression of what it's supposed to look like finished. Do note that the yellow circled areas will be hedged mangrove trees for a view over the top of them.

Here is information showing what I have spoken about. Highlighted in yellow is the anomaly.

Highlighted in yellow is where hedging is specifically excluded from standards.

So where is the topping allowed in the standards? Section 7.3.5 says:-

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7.3.5 Remedial (restorative) pruning (H)

This type of pruning shall only be carried out on trees which have lost their natural form
and structure through storm damage, mechanical damage, vandalism, lopping, dieback or
disease. This method is usually only used when all other approaches have failed and
replacing the tree is difficult. The purpose of this pruning is to prolong the useful life
expectancy of such trees and to reduce their hazard potential.
This type of pruning removes damaged, diseased or lopped branches back to undamaged or
healthy tissue. The final cut may not necessarily be at the branch collar. The aim is to
induce the production of epicormic shoots from which a new crown is intended to be
established. To achieve this, regrowth should be managed by reduction pruning or crown
thinning.
NOTES:
1 This type of pruning should be done in several stages in an attempt to induce stable and
successful regrowth.
2 Consideration should be given to removing dangerous trees.
3 Remedial pruning may create hazards from weak branch attachment. Trees should be
carefully monitored.

It certainly does not say top a healthy tree for a view and hedge trim it.

James Sayers · 22nd April 2011, 12:00 PM

its not what you know its who your mates with so not to get discredited

Eric Frei · 6th June 2011, 06:57 PM

There was TV News of the opening of the new area with Premier Anna Bligh so I went and had a look at how the mangrove trees were doing.

Pictures are the best way to show it, I estimate 60% died and now there's a bunch of dead sticks in the mud (no pun intended). And gee, doesn't it write above that this treatment to have minimum impact upon the health of the tree, QAA members eh.

Some closer up, some did shoot but as usual and we see so often the shoots died. And some survived, have a look at the location of the shoots vs the cut .... sort of screws all that mumbo jumbo BS Guy M goes on about with nodes up but hey, I already put that argument to bed. It's what happens when BS filters down the sewer pipe, it contaminates everyone downline.

James Sayers · 6th June 2011, 07:04 PM

xxx can write another report to say it was the floods that killed them then they can rip them out so they hav unhindered view

Eric Frei · 6th June 2011, 07:16 PM

I already though of that but none of the mangroves which were not topped died.

Then they'll argue that the not topped had foliage above the flood water.

The topped ones closest to the bank had best survival rate, but they were fully covered also.

I'm seeing some real class acts coming from QAA consultants, but they all have a group hug and make up lies how I was kicked out whilst within they do crap like this.

I see more Guy M rubbish about pruning wound sizes in specs, wounds not to exceed 100mm dia, utter crap coming down the ISA sewer line. Then low and behold the QAA perp who wrote that on their own site had to prune off like a 500mm dia limb, quick, change the specs or make up some BS so they can do it.

Another site I was looking at had the same crap written to prune a bunch of ficus back, cuts to not exceed 100mm dia. Now if they went there and could see the limbs that had to come off and traced those limbs back to collar they'd know the cuts would be larger but nope .... they write the trash like good little sheep anyway. So I am pointing a laser pointer where the cuts will be made calling out numbers like this .... 150, 175, 200+, 125 which all meant mm dia cuts that would exceed the spec written by some desk jockey QAA tosser.

jmcg.insight.gardens · 6th June 2011, 07:55 PM

hmm,

not good considering that those mangrove are an endangered ecological community. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There are strict regulations regarding endangered species, how did they get away with that.???????

19th July 2010, 05:59 PM	#2
Brent Ferris Veteran Heritage Status Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,557	Re: Brisbane River Mangroves Cut Down It is a pity that Fisheries, arguably an environmental stronghold in its own right, can argue and decide to remove an important part of the environment, purportedly to serve the needs of the fish, when undoubtedly the mangroves do enhance fish habitat -- and yet not be faced with fines. If the decision process was so long, how is it that this is only now coming to the attention of the media? If arborists were involved, surely they should be named and their opinions should be shared with the public. If an aspect of public life - kayakers -- is going to be improved, then the general public should have access to the process documents, and the discussions, so that all can see that all is above board. (no pun intended)

19th July 2010, 08:33 PM	#3
Jeff Darby Moderator - Previously known as JayD Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: TreeWorld, Sydney Australia Posts: 2,059	Re: Brisbane River Mangroves Cut Down Once more i find myself smelling a foul odour coming from a project underway on the shores of a river in Brisbane. Destuction of mangroves is not on ! If this was Joe Citizen requesting a rear boat ramp off his or hers property or the removal of trees, err, mangroves from the rear of their home to improve views would it get the go ahead?? I think not ! So why is this project getting the green light ? is it because they can do what they like but we have to tow the line and are bound by their laws which they change when ever they like, this is not on. Wake up Brisbane do some thing about this ! __________________ Member: Australian Tree Association Join the Australian Tree Association...Have your voice heard ! Arboriculture, A life long study for some, a passing phase for others © Jeffrey J Darby 2011

19th July 2010, 10:03 PM	#4
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,994	Re: Brisbane River Mangroves Cut Down I assure you if you dig deep enough you'll find QAA boys in there. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Palm and Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

5th November 2010, 10:44 PM	#6
S.O.P Sappling Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Brisbane Posts: 32	Re: Brisbane River Mangroves Cut Down I've posted it before (or a different angle of it) but look what happens when there is one small area of mangrove missing. Bye bye tessalaris. Attached Thumbnails

21st December 2010, 09:23 AM	#7
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,994	Specs say top the mangrove trees So what has been happening at this site? Have a look at the aerial photo's, you'll see the time line in order circled in red along with the mangrove trees fate. You'll first see the batch removed, then you'll see a bunch of gaps in the remaining. So what is happening? The answer is the remaining mango trees were topped (lopped) in batches. There was around 10m topped then 10m left and so on. So what has become of the topped mangrove trees, did they resprout or die? I don't know .... have to visit I suppose. When will the rest be topped? I don't know but Southbank Corporation is an entity of it's own but BCC is going to get control back, you'd have to ask them. But why do this you ask? So the caffè latte drinkers sitting in the new cafe's get a view of course as the mangrove trees were too tall to see over and too dense to see through. Oh the privileges of council. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Palm and Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

21st December 2010, 06:48 PM	#8
Garry Brockley Bayside Tree Care Brisbane Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Brisbane Aus Posts: 1,641	Re: Brisbane River Mangroves Cut Down Thats discusting how can they have one rule for one and another for the rich and thier cronies? __________________ My business:- Brisbane Bayside Tree Care

21st December 2010, 06:56 PM	#9
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,994	Re: Brisbane River Mangroves Cut Down These are the stories you'll never see printed in The Arbor Age. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Palm and Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

21st December 2010, 07:42 PM	#11
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,994	Re: Brisbane River Mangroves Cut Down Yes it's very comforting to print your "article" in The Arbor Age where no-one can reply or respond, well of course they can write in about it but that seldom gets published unless of course it is praise. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Palm and Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

22nd December 2010, 10:07 PM	#12
Victor Lindsay Mature tree Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: ? Posts: 441	Re: Brisbane River Mangroves Cut Down Are the topped mangroves red, white or black? If red, they will die!

24th December 2010, 03:28 AM	#14
Victor Lindsay Mature tree Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: ? Posts: 441	Re: Brisbane River Mangroves Cut Down Red mangrove (Rhizophora mangle ) Black mangrove (Avicennia germinans) White mangrove (Laguncularia racemosa)

24th December 2010, 03:34 AM	#15
Victor Lindsay Mature tree Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: ? Posts: 441	Re: Brisbane River Mangroves Cut Down Also, here in the Florida keys, if they cut mangrove like that with out permits, they not only would get a huge fine, but they would more than likely go to jail for some time.

24th December 2010, 08:38 AM	#16
Garry Brockley Bayside Tree Care Brisbane Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Brisbane Aus Posts: 1,641	Re: Brisbane River Mangroves Cut Down Ah yes but in florida the local gov't isnt run and influenced largely by the people who carry out these things, so getting a result like that would be hard. As we keep on saying the BCC needs a complete shake down, new blood introduced and the cronies kicked into touch. I hope the right people get severely repremanded for this. __________________ My business:- Brisbane Bayside Tree Care

24th December 2010, 09:16 AM	#17
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,994	Re: Brisbane River Mangroves Cut Down Any vegetation on the tidal zone is Dept of Fisheries. they gave the approval. Southbank Corporation is a council within it's own right, they wanted the idea, and have had it already in the past. Had what you ask? Topped then hedge trimmed mangrove trees. Id you look at the first aerial picture (beneath the date on that picture) you'll notice the very tidy mangroves, they're actually hedge trimmed. The idea was to top them, let them bush up and then hedge trim it. Of course the logistics in how you hedge trim something like that is another matter, you are not allowed to walk around on the roots (tidal zone), the height is awkward at around 3m above river level and what about the width of the hedge. Those who hedge trim would know of the difficulty in trimming something 5m wide, now add a river beneath you. Apparently trimmed leaves are OK to fall into the water and float away but the initial lopping was not allowed the same leniency and all cuttings had to be removed (preferably not dropped in the water/bank) by slewing a tower bucker and dropping off the cuttings on the foreshore. What about the uncut sections, can they be accessed for work now or not, there's buildings in the way now so EWP to reach out over the river isn't viable anymore. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Palm and Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

29th December 2010, 06:08 PM	#18
James Sayers Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: brisbane Posts: 84	Re: Brisbane River Mangroves Cut Down i think u will find it was an arborist with a level 6 that wrote the report to have the mangroves cut/removed but thats just what i was told

22nd April 2011, 12:00 PM	#20
James Sayers Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: brisbane Posts: 84	Re: Brisbane River Mangroves Cut Down its not what you know its who your mates with so not to get discredited

6th June 2011, 06:57 PM	#21
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,994	Re: Brisbane River Mangroves Cut Down There was TV News of the opening of the new area with Premier Anna Bligh so I went and had a look at how the mangrove trees were doing. Pictures are the best way to show it, I estimate 60% died and now there's a bunch of dead sticks in the mud (no pun intended). And gee, doesn't it write above that this treatment to have minimum impact upon the health of the tree, QAA members eh. Some closer up, some did shoot but as usual and we see so often the shoots died. And some survived, have a look at the location of the shoots vs the cut .... sort of screws all that mumbo jumbo BS Guy M goes on about with nodes up but hey, I already put that argument to bed. It's what happens when BS filters down the sewer pipe, it contaminates everyone downline. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Palm and Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

6th June 2011, 07:04 PM	#22
James Sayers Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: brisbane Posts: 84	Re: Brisbane River Mangroves Cut Down xxx can write another report to say it was the floods that killed them then they can rip them out so they hav unhindered view

6th June 2011, 07:16 PM	#23
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,994	Re: Brisbane River Mangroves Cut Down I already though of that but none of the mangroves which were not topped died. Then they'll argue that the not topped had foliage above the flood water. The topped ones closest to the bank had best survival rate, but they were fully covered also. I'm seeing some real class acts coming from QAA consultants, but they all have a group hug and make up lies how I was kicked out whilst within they do crap like this. I see more Guy M rubbish about pruning wound sizes in specs, wounds not to exceed 100mm dia, utter crap coming down the ISA sewer line. Then low and behold the QAA perp who wrote that on their own site had to prune off like a 500mm dia limb, quick, change the specs or make up some BS so they can do it. Another site I was looking at had the same crap written to prune a bunch of ficus back, cuts to not exceed 100mm dia. Now if they went there and could see the limbs that had to come off and traced those limbs back to collar they'd know the cuts would be larger but nope .... they write the trash like good little sheep anyway. So I am pointing a laser pointer where the cuts will be made calling out numbers like this .... 150, 175, 200+, 125 which all meant mm dia cuts that would exceed the spec written by some desk jockey QAA tosser. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Palm and Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

6th June 2011, 07:55 PM	#24
jmcg.insight.gardens Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Mannering Park, Australia Posts: 623	Re: Brisbane River Mangroves Cut Down hmm, not good considering that those mangrove are an endangered ecological community. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There are strict regulations regarding endangered species, how did they get away with that.???????

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