Men crushed by tree roots

Eric Frei

It appears they were trying to dig out a stump or something from the pictures.







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stirmantrees

thank God for recue workers. talk about having the right gear for the situation.

i personally have seen massive root balls kerplunk back into the hole either by cutting the stem off past the balancing point or lifting it with a loader or tearing it out and having the equipment loose grip.

I have a feeling they should have known better or supervision was lacking.

stump grinder???????????????????????????????
100 - 175 dollars

Eric Frei

If you look closely at the first picture it appears to be a stump grinders dish in the stump????

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stirmantrees

a little photo shop help? i cant see it. give me a arrow or something

Eric Frei

Red area and the lip.

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Sean Freeman

Very lucky guys for sure...nasty situation to contemplate

Therrin

That's about a mile and a half from my house. I never even heard about it. I could prolly walk over there and find the place and take pictures though.

Eric Frei

Yeah, go on a recon mission, see WTF they were up to.

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Therrin

Actually, I know several of the BFD firefighters out here. I just emailed the Battalion Chief of the Bakersfield Fire Department. I've corresponded with him before over the phone and by email.
I explained how this section of our forum works and asked if he could obtain me a copy of the report of the incident.

I'm waiting to see what he sends back on it. Will keep you posted.

I'll check news sources for an address or something too.

Therrin

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Therrin

Bingo, got the address. 3.04 miles

And you can clearly see in the last picture that there is bark on the left side of the stump, so I dont think it had been ground out at all.

Eric Frei

Yeah, dang. Great pics.

Was a hooer of a stump. I wonder how they were trying to lift it?

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Therrin

Report says hydraulics?

But you know, on the freeway when the semi's overturn, they use these inflatable bags to lift them up alot. Could be something like that. Looked like maybe what was sitting on top of the rootball in that one picture.

banner

You know this is typical these days in America. Taking advantage of ignorant and or desperate immigrants/ illegal and legal, putting them in situations most American laborers would walk away from if were expected to do without proper safety measures in place. But many empoyers don't play by the rules and code and standards are selectively enforced and understaffed,......... intentionally IMO

The business owners are having a hay day exploiting these ignorant and frequently uneducated people. Then these business owners have the gaul to say there are no Americans willing to do these jobs. Well yeah......because you can't support a family on what these jobs are paying and many business owners fail to adhere to saftey standards to save time and money.It's common for these Mexicans to buy single family dwellings and have multiple families living under the same roof so they can meet their bills. Life has become so intolerable and dangerous in Mexico that these people are coming here in groves to escape the drug lord culture enveloping their country and filtering into ours. Undesirables are also bringing their drug culture into America which is causing alot of crime and violence.

So the good responsible owners are slowly losing this game or being forced to compete with the crooks and opportunist that abound in the world.
The american worker is a slowly disappearing breed. We were not raised in a third world environment and now we are faced with many employers whom are profit driven greedy opportunist with little or no respect for men willing to earn their pay by the sweat of their brow. I wonder if technology will make us culled breed here in the land of opportunity. We are expendable and becoming obsolete .....Nano Nano

shortstack

Canary Island date palm?

Maybe these poor guys were gonna dig under it and jack it up or something?

Remember those miners in Beaconsfield? They reckoned more than one hour being crushed means you lose your legs or worse... yuck.

olyman

like to know the whole story behind that,illegal or not,who work for,wheres the equipment--etc.

Bruce Hopf

I've pulled a few stump out with a tractor, nothing as big as this, about 5" to 10" across, but have had a chain snap, and poped right back in the same hole again. Bruce.

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Therrin

Banner... if they werent here illegally they wouldnt have to worry about any of that, now would they???

Besides, 99% of the "tree workers" here in Bakersfield are mexicans who run around and do stuff in their own pickup trucks. Noone's forcing them to do this stuff with a knife to their throat.

You think something is too dangerous...WALK AWAY... better to lose your job then to end up dead underneath 5,000 pounds of root ball.

You sound like one of those people who's all for giving the illegals driver's liscences, health insurance, and free college. Jeez...

banner

Therrin, Contraire, my friend. Honestly I can't stand the sight of them. They wouldn't be here if people wouln't hire them would they?
Why isn't our government doing more to stop it?
You think maybe our government/politicians are guilty of turning their heads the other way so big business can take advantage of these people? And who elects our politicians?


You think there might be some lobbying and payoffs going on in DC?
Who's giving them liscenses, and why?..........
Therrin the answer to this problem is not expoitation of a race of people. Look what happened with the black man. It's the same mentality, mind set, and greedy people making life miserable for all of us.

This problem is all about money and greed and these poor immigrants are the pawns of powerful and greedy forces that control this country. Americans have sold out.
We are a bankrupt nation, no morals, no values,just political correctness and plenty of funny money go around. But soon we'll have to pay the piper.....he'll be coming rest assured.

Let's see how do we elect our politicians......oh yeah... "It's the economy stupid". To hell with a mans character and mans record, gimme some money.

No you got me wrong Therrin. It's easy to hate a specific group of people but you have to look deeper. We really should be demanding our government to fix the corruption in Mexico but then maybe our government likes it that way.
Cops and robbers is a game you know not played just by children.
And.........why is our healthcare collapsing? And most importantantly.......Why is our government pushing "free health care" for all"......?Think it might have something to do with the above?

stirmantrees

Eric Frei

As it stands USA sends millions to Mexico to "fix" things, but it sends 10X more to Columbia to "fix" things, but it's questionable what's being "fixed" other than an adventitious trading advantages and perhaps oil.

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Therrin

It's not the US's business to "fix" Mexico.

And I dont think of them as "poor poor imigrants". They walked their asses across the border; they can walk back.

Hell, have you heard how Mexico treats people that try to sneak into THEIR country illegally from down south of them? But noooo, we dont treat them like that.



Wait..whats this got to do with the guy who doesnt look like he speaks english, getting crushed by tree roots?

banner

Therrin, this isn't about nationality or race if you want to know the truth.
It's about power, control and money. People need to wise up. Americas birth was about escaping the corrupt powers of big and oppressive government.
These people are only doing what they need to do to protect themselves from a government oppressing them, same as our forefathers.

So what's the answer.......treat them like dogs and exploit their misfortune?
Would it not be better to rid them of this corrupt government so they can go back home?
Hell we did it on the other side of the world........why can't we help our next door neighbors.

Therrin, I'm tired buddy. I understand your anger though. I'm no different in that aspect. I just know there is much more to this than you want to address. This could be more sinister than we ever thought......social engineering by world government and powers,ya think?

I think Ekka makes a good point with his statistical observation.

Therrin..How do you catch a unique rabbit?

Therrin

Here is what I got in response from my email the other day:

Therrin

Remote sensor operated tripod mounted machine-guns.

Hard to keep a rabbit out of your yard if you make no worthy attempt at putting up a barrier though.
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This discussion (sadly) went from reviewing what the WORKERS did wrong, to end up in that situation, into the politics of why we have illegal immigrants in our country. Just a slight tangent we talked ourselves into.

Maybe we could return to the original topic.

Eric Frei

I see China's having a big 60 years of communism party. Who "fixed" that? Or did it need fixing? Either way it doesn't stop you buying product or your companies going there. I hear lots of companies in the USA manufacture in Mexico too.

Why spend $30K on a stump grinder when I can circle the block and get a load of Mexicans for $5 to dig it out.

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banner

Nope......answer.......unique up on it.

Now how do you catch a tame rabbit?

I agree and Therrin with your assement of the subject change.
I was tired and could see pretty much you had a mindset, by selectively addressing only points you wish to. If you can't put yourself in another mans shoes then you have lost your ability to even be a formidable opponent, or problem solver. None of us choose are parents or our place of birth. Unfortunately technology is advancing at a pace man is incapable of handling responsibly. You can't cure a disease by treating the symptoms. Hittler tried that already. Your mindset is not the spirit this country was founded on, in fact it's more in line with the way dinosauers ruled the earth.

banner

Absolutely correct Ekka! Money is like music....it transcends everything, race, religion, nationality, morals, values, you name it....etc.
China........Now there's a sleeping giant. Yeah, I'd say we played a huge role enabling communism. How did that happen? but you know...
"It's the economy stupid" Yup that's what we ammericans are guilty of even myself although I never voted for the party, that made that saying famous, I still benefitted from the riches we enjoyed at the expense of the chinese sweat shops and labor camps, compliments of the communist party.

Bruce Hopf

I hope this argument, is about over. This is not the place to have these arguments. Sorry. Sure without knowing the whole story, it is easy to point the finger.
You talk about Therrin not walking in someone Else's shoes, I think that you should do the same, and walk in someone else's shoes, like Therrin, and maybe, you might understand, where he is coming from.
I know, and understand where Therrin is coming from, and why he is upset, and bitter. I don't blame him one bit. These workers went into the USA, and can do a job a lot cheaper, than the average American, and put a lot of people, like Therrin out of a job.
Up here in Canada, We have a lot of East Indians, that have invaded Canada, over the years. This country, has supported them, from day one.
In the trucking industry, they have been able to start up a business, have trucks, and equipment needed for the job, given to them, by the govern met, free of charge.
In 2000, when I left the trucking industry, they had the rates cut down to where the rates that we had in the 70's, so low to where other trucking companies, that had to buy there equipment, couldn't make it anymore.
Sure, companies, if they wanted the work, had to lower their rates, to stay in competition. When it used to be, the trucking companies would have a set rate to charge, the customers, and now, the customer tells the trucking companies, this is what we are paying, take it or leave it.
But trucks have gotten a lot more expensive, and the high price of fuel, you name it, is way up in price, since then. So how is a person able to make a decent living anymore. You have to work way more hours, than before, to keep a float. Just my 2 cents though.
Bruce.

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Strunk chain saws
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Therrin

TY Bruce.

Ahh, well I also realize that I as a person, trying to institute changes in international policy and dreaming that I have the best solution is merely armchair politiking, a sumptuous self-proving way of thinking that I know best.

I'm more inclined to try to deal with the things I CAN change, instead of telling everyone else how to deal with the things they CANT change.

Apparently we can't cure things like Cancer right now either, but it doesnt keep of from treating the symptoms until a workable cure is found.


However, we dont know that these men were or were not illegal aliens. I did find out though that they werent working FOR someone, rather working for themselves. So THEY put themselves in that situation, and that was the result. Noone was forcing them to do it, noone was taking advantage of them for their poor circumstances. They took on a job, and botched it.

I'd prefer to continue to look at HOW they botched it, and how our people can continue to do projects in the future without having the same result.