Tree ID

HollyS · 28th June 2007, 09:58 AM

Hello,
I'm new, I look at trees in powerlines. I joined mostly to get help id-ing a tree that is not from here. Up close it looks a bit like an english walnut, but has bark like a modesto ash. Limbs hang to the ground and developes big flower spikes in the spring. I'll have pictures soon.

Sean Freeman · 28th June 2007, 04:18 PM

Hi HollyS, looking forward to seeing your mystery tree, one of my favourite games.

HollyS · 1st July 2007, 07:17 AM

Okay, Unknown Tree has: alt. branching; pinate leaves. Each leaflet is about 4 inches long(about 10cm?). Glossy green leaves, with lighter underside, no terminal leaflet. Small blades run the lenght of the petiole between each petiolule. Leaf edges are smooth and leaves are hairless.
One picture is the seeds, simular to maple but hang in long groups.
Okay...can't figure out how to post pictures. But I'll put them on our webpage. Open the "Unknown Tree" page. I can post the pictures bigger there anyway. Sorry, the pics aren't very good.

HollyS · 1st July 2007, 07:33 AM

Oops! Guess you need my web address.
http://www.subiadrafts.com

Eric Frei · 1st July 2007, 07:48 AM

Hmmm, still hard to tell.

It's not this is it?

HollyS · 1st July 2007, 08:46 AM

No, this tree doesn't produce any "fruit" the seeds are in a thin tissue, like the "wings" of maples. Leaves look close, but longer and a little more slender. the leaves are rounded at the base and obtuse at the apices.

Sean Freeman · 1st July 2007, 02:56 PM

Holly I think I have come across the tree or at least another in its genus before, still hunting for the photos of that one and then the id of course!!

Sean Freeman · 1st July 2007, 03:00 PM

Holly is this similar?

HollyS · 1st July 2007, 03:37 PM

Sean,
No it is not an Ash, or any type of Ash. No opp. branching. Definatley alt. branching. But you are on the right track with the seeds. And the bark does remind me of a Fraxinus latifolia. Ashes also have a teminal leaflet. This tree deos not. I'll try and get better pictures next week.

HollyS · 1st July 2007, 03:57 PM

One identifing feature is the small leaf-like blade along the petiole. The blade is about 2 to 3 inches long, the length of the petiole between each petiolule. This is a feature that I can't recall seeing often (if at all) before.

HollyS · 2nd July 2007, 03:32 AM

I am trying to ID a tree that no one seems to know. I started talking about it on the Welcome Forum but here makes more sence. Any help would be great! Local Arborists and Master Gardeners are all stumped. Pictures at: www.subiadrafts.com under Unknown Tree. Good luck! It is assumed it is not a native to the US, and I've never seen the like in Calif. anywhere.

HollyS · 2nd July 2007, 07:13 AM

A wingnut tree? Or Caucasian wingnut Pterocarya fraxinifolia? Or Chinese wingnut Pterocarya stenoptera? There is also a hybrid? Any thoughts?

Sean Freeman · 2nd July 2007, 11:34 AM

Ok Holly fess up how did you pull that name out of the hat? Never heard of the species but it really seems to be remarkably close match to what you describe.
leaf detail of Pterocarya stenoptera

Seeds of Pterocarya fraxinifolia

Sean Freeman · 2nd July 2007, 11:38 AM

Definately looks like the right id, fascinating tree...

HollyS · 2nd July 2007, 12:01 PM

When I first walked up to the tree I said, okay, a walnut. Then looked closer and it was not a walnut. I figured it must be related. So I started net digging on walnuts and found the wingnut trees of the same family. The web pictures are not very good. The pics you posted are great! I think we may have it!

Sean Freeman · 2nd July 2007, 12:06 PM

Sweet....I like the random element its the same for me when I'm searching for id's...should have pursued the wingnut thing I got stuck on samaras just didn't make the next step. China is chocked full of tree species that most of us have never encountered, wish it was more accessible, maybe one day.

Eric Frei · 2nd July 2007, 03:39 PM

Bugger me, that is a good find!

Never ever seem or heard of it, looks cool though, what's it really like?

And like magic I moved all those posts here so it makes sense. LOL

HollyS · 3rd July 2007, 12:28 PM

The home owner was very happy to find out what her tree was. Thanks again for the good pictures.

28th June 2007, 09:58 AM	#1
HollyS Sappling Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: California, don't hold it against me. Posts: 38	Tree ID Hello, I'm new, I look at trees in powerlines. I joined mostly to get help id-ing a tree that is not from here. Up close it looks a bit like an english walnut, but has bark like a modesto ash. Limbs hang to the ground and developes big flower spikes in the spring. I'll have pictures soon.

1st July 2007, 07:17 AM	#3
HollyS Sappling Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: California, don't hold it against me. Posts: 38	Unknown tree Okay, Unknown Tree has: alt. branching; pinate leaves. Each leaflet is about 4 inches long(about 10cm?). Glossy green leaves, with lighter underside, no terminal leaflet. Small blades run the lenght of the petiole between each petiolule. Leaf edges are smooth and leaves are hairless. One picture is the seeds, simular to maple but hang in long groups. Okay...can't figure out how to post pictures. But I'll put them on our webpage. Open the "Unknown Tree" page. I can post the pictures bigger there anyway. Sorry, the pics aren't very good.

1st July 2007, 07:48 AM	#5
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,994	Hmmm, still hard to tell. It's not this is it? __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Palm and Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

1st July 2007, 03:00 PM	#8
Sean Freeman Veteran Heritage Status Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,981	Holly is this similar? Attached Thumbnails

1st July 2007, 03:37 PM	#9
HollyS Sappling Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: California, don't hold it against me. Posts: 38	Sean, No it is not an Ash, or any type of Ash. No opp. branching. Definatley alt. branching. But you are on the right track with the seeds. And the bark does remind me of a Fraxinus latifolia. Ashes also have a teminal leaflet. This tree deos not. I'll try and get better pictures next week. __________________

28th June 2007, 04:18 PM	#2
Sean Freeman Veteran Heritage Status Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,981	Hi HollyS, looking forward to seeing your mystery tree, one of my favourite games.

1st July 2007, 07:33 AM	#4
HollyS Sappling Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: California, don't hold it against me. Posts: 38	Oops! Guess you need my web address. http://www.subiadrafts.com

1st July 2007, 08:46 AM	#6
HollyS Sappling Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: California, don't hold it against me. Posts: 38	No, this tree doesn't produce any "fruit" the seeds are in a thin tissue, like the "wings" of maples. Leaves look close, but longer and a little more slender. the leaves are rounded at the base and obtuse at the apices.

1st July 2007, 02:56 PM	#7
Sean Freeman Veteran Heritage Status Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,981	Holly I think I have come across the tree or at least another in its genus before, still hunting for the photos of that one and then the id of course!!

1st July 2007, 03:57 PM	#10
HollyS Sappling Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: California, don't hold it against me. Posts: 38	One identifing feature is the small leaf-like blade along the petiole. The blade is about 2 to 3 inches long, the length of the petiole between each petiolule. This is a feature that I can't recall seeing often (if at all) before. __________________

2nd July 2007, 03:32 AM	#11
HollyS Sappling Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: California, don't hold it against me. Posts: 38	Tree ID I am trying to ID a tree that no one seems to know. I started talking about it on the Welcome Forum but here makes more sence. Any help would be great! Local Arborists and Master Gardeners are all stumped. Pictures at: www.subiadrafts.com under Unknown Tree. Good luck! It is assumed it is not a native to the US, and I've never seen the like in Calif. anywhere. __________________

2nd July 2007, 07:13 AM	#12
HollyS Sappling Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: California, don't hold it against me. Posts: 38	A wingnut tree? Or Caucasian wingnut Pterocarya fraxinifolia? Or Chinese wingnut Pterocarya stenoptera? There is also a hybrid? Any thoughts? __________________

2nd July 2007, 11:34 AM	#13
Sean Freeman Veteran Heritage Status Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,981	Ok Holly fess up how did you pull that name out of the hat? Never heard of the species but it really seems to be remarkably close match to what you describe. leaf detail of Pterocarya stenoptera Seeds of Pterocarya fraxinifolia Attached Thumbnails Last edited by Sean Freeman; 2nd July 2007 at 11:37 AM. Reason: correction after further search

2nd July 2007, 11:38 AM	#14
Sean Freeman Veteran Heritage Status Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,981	Definately looks like the right id, fascinating tree... Attached Thumbnails

2nd July 2007, 12:01 PM	#15
HollyS Sappling Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: California, don't hold it against me. Posts: 38	When I first walked up to the tree I said, okay, a walnut. Then looked closer and it was not a walnut. I figured it must be related. So I started net digging on walnuts and found the wingnut trees of the same family. The web pictures are not very good. The pics you posted are great! I think we may have it! __________________

2nd July 2007, 12:06 PM	#16
Sean Freeman Veteran Heritage Status Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,981	Sweet....I like the random element its the same for me when I'm searching for id's...should have pursued the wingnut thing I got stuck on samaras just didn't make the next step. China is chocked full of tree species that most of us have never encountered, wish it was more accessible, maybe one day.

2nd July 2007, 03:39 PM	#17
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,994	Bugger me, that is a good find! Never ever seem or heard of it, looks cool though, what's it really like? And like magic I moved all those posts here so it makes sense. LOL __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Palm and Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

3rd July 2007, 12:28 PM	#18
HollyS Sappling Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: California, don't hold it against me. Posts: 38	The home owner was very happy to find out what her tree was. Thanks again for the good pictures. __________________

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