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Old 11th September 2011, 07:36 AM   #1
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Default Three conifers - help to ID

I have three conifers in my yard that I need help to identify - there are two large ones which I am sure are the same species, and one newer specimen that I transplanted a few weeks ago. The new one (the smallest) has very sharp needles, while the two older ones have smoother leaves. Here they are:

The new, short, sharp needled one, and a closeup of it's needles -






One of the older ones; shorter of the two -




The second of the older ones - relatively large -




I live in northern Vermont, New England in the USA, which should help narrow down the "search". Thank you in advance.
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Old 11th September 2011, 02:55 PM   #2
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its a Picea.

Picea abies or Picea omorika or both.
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Old 11th September 2011, 11:01 PM   #3
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All 3 are Picea most likely White Spruce - (Picea glauca), but in your area Red Spruce (Picea rubens) is a possibility. Red Spruce has needles up to 5/8" long,White Spruce the needles are 1/2" to 3/4". White spruce cones are green when young, brown when mature, Red spruce are green to purple green when immature. P. Omorika are blue black when young.

None of these have especially sharp tipped needles at the ends. Was the youngest tree from near the forested area, or a nursery? If from a nursery, it could be P. pungens, a Colorado Spruce which has really sharp needle ends, coarser twigs and coarser needles.
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Old 12th September 2011, 01:05 AM   #4
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its a Picea.

Picea abies or Picea omorika or both.
Yeah, that seems clear to me. Norway Spruce would be a likely possibility, but I doubt there are two Serbian Spruces growing in Northern Vermont.

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All 3 are Picea most likely White Spruce - (Picea glauca), but in your area Red Spruce (Picea rubens) is a possibility. Red Spruce has needles up to 5/8" long,White Spruce the needles are 1/2" to 3/4". White spruce cones are green when young, brown when mature, Red spruce are green to purple green when immature. P. Omorika are blue black when young.

None of these have especially sharp tipped needles at the ends. Was the youngest tree from near the forested area, or a nursery? If from a nursery, it could be P. pungens, a Colorado Spruce which has really sharp needle ends, coarser twigs and coarser needles.
Looking at the photos, the two large ones seem to be White Spruce - I am planting Norway Spruce nearby next spring, do they look similar?

The smaller one was received from a friend who lives in the downtown area of our local town - it was growing against his fence, hence the lopsided look. I don't think it is white spruce though - my friend said that one winter, the needles touched his arm and drew blood.

Basically, if the needles remain this sharp for the duration of this trees life span, I may just replace it with a Norway Spruce. I wish I had some positive ID - should I post more pictures of it?
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I have posted three attachments on the bottom of this post that show the small sharp needled tree close-up; maybe they will make identifying it easier.
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Norway spruce, most common tree in Norway. They may become rather tall, up to 50 metres.



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Old 12th September 2011, 05:59 AM   #7
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So that's Norway Spruce? Do all of them have really sharp needles? Because I have 100 seeds of Norway Spruce that I plan to plant this winter in my home, and transplant in spring. Thanks for all of the help thus far.
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Norway Spruce (P abies) has needles 1/2 to 1" long, and are pointy, but Colorado spruce are the worst. Norway Spruce cones grow to be 4-6 inches long. Leaves can be difficult to distinguish between, fruit (cones) for spruce are far easier.
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