Pinus Elliottii vs Radiata vs Taeda Differences

Eric Frei · 27th June 2008, 05:44 PM

Guys, here's a pic of a pine, which would you say it is?

And what is the difference between the two?

If you have pics of the distinct differences please post it.

Steve Tipton · 27th June 2008, 07:01 PM

Looks like a stone pine to me

fosheezy · 27th June 2008, 08:06 PM

image of p. elliottii is from ISB: Atlas of Florida Vascular Plants

looks like a match in my books.

p. radiata would still be bearing several previous years' of cones, i think p. elliottii sheds them annually.

Jeff Darby · 29th June 2008, 10:35 PM

Here is a picture of the bark of Pinus radiata

newguy18 · 30th June 2008, 06:22 AM

Those are slash pines[Pinus Elliottii] for sure.

Eric Frei · 30th June 2008, 08:33 AM

So those radiata's dont get tessellated bark eh. Got a pic of a big mature one? Not from Google but from a local suburb.

fosheezy · 30th June 2008, 02:45 PM

here's a mac-daddy p. radiata at tech. diameter about 1.5m - bark doesnt really change.

Robert STAVROU · 30th June 2008, 02:55 PM

G'day guys, does not look like Pinus radiata, (Fasciles to long and bundles not dense enough) may be P. elliotii.
"Does it have 2-4 or 3 fasciles?" If it has three then it may be P. Taeda (loblolly pine)!

regards STAV

Eric Frei · 2nd July 2008, 02:56 PM

It must be pine season or something, today I copped another unusual one.

This one is definately not Elliottii or Radiata. It has furrowed bark but not those distinct plates of difference we see in Elliottii.

The cones are sort of elongated too, sharper, have a look. I think this mught be the Loblolly (Taeda), it always has 3 fasciles.

Bark etc very similar to this link Pinus taeda Fact Sheet

Sean Freeman · 2nd July 2008, 04:16 PM

Very tricky you may be right the bark certainly looks more like taeda than elliottii but thats hard to pick alone..

My only experience with pines in any numbers has been in NQ forestry lots, and Royal Pines Resort!

Most of the pine up north is Pinus caribaea var. hondurensis Caribbean pine, and now there is a hybrid between that and Pinus elliottii that forestry are raving about.

Eric Frei · 2nd July 2008, 04:59 PM

I just checked them out, yeah similar except the cone has a flat top, bark very similar to loblolly.

All I really worry about is they are Pinus, class 3 weed here in Brisbane.

fosheezy · 2nd July 2008, 05:20 PM

yo i think that last one you posted might be p. canariensis, were the cones upright at the tip of branches like candles?

this site has a few pics that look like your cones:
Pinus canariensis Thumbnail Pictures

Eric Frei · 2nd July 2008, 06:55 PM

No, they were pretty haphazard where they were but they did like to be in groups, mainly pairs. Plus the form isn't so formal christmas tree like.

Bernard Keays · 9th July 2008, 10:14 PM

Ekka,

Not sure if this helps but I used to work for DPI Forestry at Beerburrum between 1998 and 2002. We use to grow a range of hardwood and softwood species. At the time we use to grow up to 3 million F1 hybrid clones from cuttings. These were a cross between Pinus elliottii x P. caribaea. These were grown for the Beerburrum, Toolara and Maryborough districts. Occassionally we sent stock to Byfield. We also grew a small number of Pinus radiata for Peachy and Passendale Districts. I think it was about 40 000. We didn’t plant P. radiate in coastal areas as the trees suffered from terminal crook. It was even a problem in the nursery. Pinus taeda were grown for Christmas trees. They have a better branch structure for christmas trees. We also use to grow between 500 000 and 800 000 hoop pine a year for Imbil districts. Forestry also had a hardwood program. The program started with about 200 000 a year but rapidly grew to well over million.

Eric Frei · 9th July 2008, 10:23 PM

Was it a good job working there? Standing on the outside looking in it appears so.

Bernard Keays · 10th July 2008, 11:40 PM

EKKA,

It was interesting and I did enjoyed it but we didn't get out much. However, I did meet some really interesting people. One of the problems was that you had to be there all the time. As you can see we were pretty busy growing trees. Keeping the irrigation systems working was also a full time job. Occasionally we were called in to help with control burns or wildfires. I use to have a far bit of contact with the tree planters.

27th June 2008, 05:44 PM	#1
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,994	Pinus Elliottii vs Radiata vs Taeda Differences Guys, here's a pic of a pine, which would you say it is? And what is the difference between the two? If you have pics of the distinct differences please post it. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Palm and Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

27th June 2008, 07:01 PM	#2
Steve Tipton Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Sydney Posts: 821	Re: Pinus Elliottii vs Radiata Differences Looks like a stone pine to me __________________ Heightmaster

27th June 2008, 08:06 PM	#3
fosheezy Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Melbourne Posts: 60	Re: Pinus Elliottii vs Radiata Differences image of p. elliottii is from ISB: Atlas of Florida Vascular Plants looks like a match in my books. p. radiata would still be bearing several previous years' of cones, i think p. elliottii sheds them annually. Attached Thumbnails

29th June 2008, 10:35 PM	#4
Jeff Darby Moderator - Previously known as JayD Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: TreeWorld, Sydney Australia Posts: 2,059	Re: Pinus Elliottii vs Radiata Differences Here is a picture of the bark of Pinus radiata Attached Thumbnails __________________ Member: Australian Tree Association Join the Australian Tree Association...Have your voice heard ! Arboriculture, A life long study for some, a passing phase for others © Jeffrey J Darby 2011

30th June 2008, 06:22 AM	#5
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 4,948	Re: Pinus Elliottii vs Radiata Differences Those are slash pines[Pinus Elliottii] for sure. __________________ Have your say join us today. old schooler

30th June 2008, 08:33 AM	#6
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,994	Re: Pinus Elliottii vs Radiata Differences So those radiata's dont get tessellated bark eh. Got a pic of a big mature one? Not from Google but from a local suburb. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Palm and Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

30th June 2008, 02:45 PM	#7
fosheezy Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Melbourne Posts: 60	Re: Pinus Elliottii vs Radiata Differences here's a mac-daddy p. radiata at tech. diameter about 1.5m - bark doesnt really change. Attached Thumbnails

30th June 2008, 02:55 PM	#8
Robert STAVROU Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 56	Re: Pinus Elliottii vs Radiata Differences G'day guys, does not look like Pinus radiata, (Fasciles to long and bundles not dense enough) may be P. elliotii. "Does it have 2-4 or 3 fasciles?" If it has three then it may be P. Taeda (loblolly pine)! regards STAV __________________ STAV

2nd July 2008, 02:56 PM	#9
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,994	Re: Pinus Elliottii vs Radiata vs Taeda Differences It must be pine season or something, today I copped another unusual one. This one is definately not Elliottii or Radiata. It has furrowed bark but not those distinct plates of difference we see in Elliottii. The cones are sort of elongated too, sharper, have a look. I think this mught be the Loblolly (Taeda), it always has 3 fasciles. Bark etc very similar to this link Pinus taeda Fact Sheet Attached Thumbnails __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Palm and Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

2nd July 2008, 04:16 PM	#10
Sean Freeman Veteran Heritage Status Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,981	Re: Pinus Elliottii vs Radiata vs Taeda Differences Very tricky you may be right the bark certainly looks more like taeda than elliottii but thats hard to pick alone.. My only experience with pines in any numbers has been in NQ forestry lots, and Royal Pines Resort! Most of the pine up north is Pinus caribaea var. hondurensis Caribbean pine, and now there is a hybrid between that and Pinus elliottii that forestry are raving about.

2nd July 2008, 04:59 PM	#11
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,994	Re: Pinus Elliottii vs Radiata vs Taeda Differences I just checked them out, yeah similar except the cone has a flat top, bark very similar to loblolly. All I really worry about is they are Pinus, class 3 weed here in Brisbane. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Palm and Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

2nd July 2008, 05:20 PM	#12
fosheezy Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Melbourne Posts: 60	Re: Pinus Elliottii vs Radiata vs Taeda Differences yo i think that last one you posted might be p. canariensis, were the cones upright at the tip of branches like candles? this site has a few pics that look like your cones: Pinus canariensis Thumbnail Pictures

2nd July 2008, 06:55 PM	#13
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,994	Re: Pinus Elliottii vs Radiata vs Taeda Differences No, they were pretty haphazard where they were but they did like to be in groups, mainly pairs. Plus the form isn't so formal christmas tree like. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Palm and Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

9th July 2008, 10:14 PM	#14
Bernard Keays Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Glasshouse Posts: 193	Re: Pinus Elliottii vs Radiata vs Taeda Differences Ekka, Not sure if this helps but I used to work for DPI Forestry at Beerburrum between 1998 and 2002. We use to grow a range of hardwood and softwood species. At the time we use to grow up to 3 million F1 hybrid clones from cuttings. These were a cross between Pinus elliottii x P. caribaea. These were grown for the Beerburrum, Toolara and Maryborough districts. Occassionally we sent stock to Byfield. We also grew a small number of Pinus radiata for Peachy and Passendale Districts. I think it was about 40 000. We didn’t plant P. radiate in coastal areas as the trees suffered from terminal crook. It was even a problem in the nursery. Pinus taeda were grown for Christmas trees. They have a better branch structure for christmas trees. We also use to grow between 500 000 and 800 000 hoop pine a year for Imbil districts. Forestry also had a hardwood program. The program started with about 200 000 a year but rapidly grew to well over million. __________________ Bernie

9th July 2008, 10:23 PM	#15
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,994	Re: Pinus Elliottii vs Radiata vs Taeda Differences Was it a good job working there? Standing on the outside looking in it appears so. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Palm and Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

10th July 2008, 11:40 PM	#16
Bernard Keays Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Glasshouse Posts: 193	Re: Pinus Elliottii vs Radiata vs Taeda Differences EKKA, It was interesting and I did enjoyed it but we didn't get out much. However, I did meet some really interesting people. One of the problems was that you had to be there all the time. As you can see we were pretty busy growing trees. Keeping the irrigation systems working was also a full time job. Occasionally we were called in to help with control burns or wildfires. I use to have a far bit of contact with the tree planters. __________________ Bernie

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