Pinus Elliottii vs Radiata vs Taeda Differences

Ekka · 27th June 2008, 12:44 AM

Guys, here's a pic of a pine, which would you say it is?

And what is the difference between the two?

If you have pics of the distinct differences please post it.

Quintrex · 27th June 2008, 02:01 AM

Looks like a stone pine to me

fosheezy · 27th June 2008, 03:06 AM

image of p. elliottii is from ISB: Atlas of Florida Vascular Plants

looks like a match in my books.

p. radiata would still be bearing several previous years' of cones, i think p. elliottii sheds them annually.

JayD · 29th June 2008, 05:35 AM

Here is a picture of the bark of Pinus radiata

newguy18 · 29th June 2008, 01:22 PM

Those are slash pines[Pinus Elliottii] for sure.

Ekka · 29th June 2008, 03:33 PM

So those radiata's dont get tessellated bark eh. Got a pic of a big mature one? Not from Google but from a local suburb.

fosheezy · 29th June 2008, 09:45 PM

here's a mac-daddy p. radiata at tech. diameter about 1.5m - bark doesnt really change.

Robert STAVROU · 29th June 2008, 09:55 PM

G'day guys, does not look like Pinus radiata, (Fasciles to long and bundles not dense enough) may be P. elliotii.
"Does it have 2-4 or 3 fasciles?" If it has three then it may be P. Taeda (loblolly pine)!

regards STAV

Ekka · 1st July 2008, 09:56 PM

It must be pine season or something, today I copped another unusual one.

This one is definately not Elliottii or Radiata. It has furrowed bark but not those distinct plates of difference we see in Elliottii.

The cones are sort of elongated too, sharper, have a look. I think this mught be the Loblolly (Taeda), it always has 3 fasciles.

Bark etc very similar to this link Pinus taeda Fact Sheet

Sean Freeman · 1st July 2008, 11:16 PM

Very tricky you may be right the bark certainly looks more like taeda than elliottii but thats hard to pick alone..

My only experience with pines in any numbers has been in NQ forestry lots, and Royal Pines Resort!

Most of the pine up north is Pinus caribaea var. hondurensis Caribbean pine, and now there is a hybrid between that and Pinus elliottii that forestry are raving about.

Ekka · 1st July 2008, 11:59 PM

I just checked them out, yeah similar except the cone has a flat top, bark very similar to loblolly.

All I really worry about is they are Pinus, class 3 weed here in Brisbane.

fosheezy · 2nd July 2008, 12:20 AM

yo i think that last one you posted might be p. canariensis, were the cones upright at the tip of branches like candles?

this site has a few pics that look like your cones:
Pinus canariensis Thumbnail Pictures

Ekka · 2nd July 2008, 01:55 AM

No, they were pretty haphazard where they were but they did like to be in groups, mainly pairs. Plus the form isn't so formal christmas tree like.

Bernard Keays · 9th July 2008, 05:14 AM

Ekka,

Not sure if this helps but I used to work for DPI Forestry at Beerburrum between 1998 and 2002. We use to grow a range of hardwood and softwood species. At the time we use to grow up to 3 million F1 hybrid clones from cuttings. These were a cross between Pinus elliottii x P. caribaea. These were grown for the Beerburrum, Toolara and Maryborough districts. Occassionally we sent stock to Byfield. We also grew a small number of Pinus radiata for Peachy and Passendale Districts. I think it was about 40 000. We didn’t plant P. radiate in coastal areas as the trees suffered from terminal crook. It was even a problem in the nursery. Pinus taeda were grown for Christmas trees. They have a better branch structure for christmas trees. We also use to grow between 500 000 and 800 000 hoop pine a year for Imbil districts. Forestry also had a hardwood program. The program started with about 200 000 a year but rapidly grew to well over million.

Ekka · 9th July 2008, 05:23 AM

Was it a good job working there? Standing on the outside looking in it appears so.

27th June 2008, 02:01 AM	#2 (permalink)
Quintrex Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Sydney Posts: 560	Re: Pinus Elliottii vs Radiata Differences Looks like a stone pine to me __________________ Heightmaster

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newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Dead twig Florida. Posts: 4,062	Re: Pinus Elliottii vs Radiata Differences Those are slash pines[Pinus Elliottii] for sure. __________________ Have your say join us today. I ship USA saws out of the USA "Everybody's hell on safety." G.f.beranek. www.atreestory.com

29th June 2008, 03:33 PM	#6 (permalink)
Ekka Admin - Dip Arb & Hort Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 7,734	Re: Pinus Elliottii vs Radiata Differences So those radiata's dont get tessellated bark eh. Got a pic of a big mature one? Not from Google but from a local suburb. __________________ Arborist Training in Australia\| Your Free Helping Guide Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory .... Yes, I also SEO (Optimize) and build websites that fly high in Google Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding and Stump Removal Brisbane Brisbane - Gold Coast Tree Care, Consulting, Developer, Tree and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

29th June 2008, 09:55 PM	#8 (permalink)
Robert STAVROU Sappling Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 26	Re: Pinus Elliottii vs Radiata Differences G'day guys, does not look like Pinus radiata, (Fasciles to long and bundles not dense enough) may be P. elliotii. "Does it have 2-4 or 3 fasciles?" If it has three then it may be P. Taeda (loblolly pine)! regards STAV __________________ STAV

1st July 2008, 11:16 PM	#10 (permalink)
Sean Freeman PDF King & Arborist Extrodinaire Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,868	Re: Pinus Elliottii vs Radiata vs Taeda Differences Very tricky you may be right the bark certainly looks more like taeda than elliottii but thats hard to pick alone.. My only experience with pines in any numbers has been in NQ forestry lots, and Royal Pines Resort! Most of the pine up north is Pinus caribaea var. hondurensis Caribbean pine, and now there is a hybrid between that and Pinus elliottii that forestry are raving about. __________________ Sean Trees are poems that earth writes upon the sky, We fell them down and turn them into paper, That we may record our emptiness. - Kahlil Gibran

1st July 2008, 11:59 PM	#11 (permalink)
Ekka Admin - Dip Arb & Hort Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 7,734	Re: Pinus Elliottii vs Radiata vs Taeda Differences I just checked them out, yeah similar except the cone has a flat top, bark very similar to loblolly. All I really worry about is they are Pinus, class 3 weed here in Brisbane. __________________ Arborist Training in Australia\| Your Free Helping Guide Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory .... Yes, I also SEO (Optimize) and build websites that fly high in Google Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding and Stump Removal Brisbane Brisbane - Gold Coast Tree Care, Consulting, Developer, Tree and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

2nd July 2008, 12:20 AM	#12 (permalink)
fosheezy Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: New Zealand (native Melbournian though) Posts: 62	Re: Pinus Elliottii vs Radiata vs Taeda Differences yo i think that last one you posted might be p. canariensis, were the cones upright at the tip of branches like candles? this site has a few pics that look like your cones: Pinus canariensis Thumbnail Pictures

2nd July 2008, 01:55 AM	#13 (permalink)
Ekka Admin - Dip Arb & Hort Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 7,734	Re: Pinus Elliottii vs Radiata vs Taeda Differences No, they were pretty haphazard where they were but they did like to be in groups, mainly pairs. Plus the form isn't so formal christmas tree like. __________________ Arborist Training in Australia\| Your Free Helping Guide Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory .... Yes, I also SEO (Optimize) and build websites that fly high in Google Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding and Stump Removal Brisbane Brisbane - Gold Coast Tree Care, Consulting, Developer, Tree and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

9th July 2008, 05:14 AM	#14 (permalink)
Bernard Keays Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Glasshouse Posts: 88	Re: Pinus Elliottii vs Radiata vs Taeda Differences Ekka, Not sure if this helps but I used to work for DPI Forestry at Beerburrum between 1998 and 2002. We use to grow a range of hardwood and softwood species. At the time we use to grow up to 3 million F1 hybrid clones from cuttings. These were a cross between Pinus elliottii x P. caribaea. These were grown for the Beerburrum, Toolara and Maryborough districts. Occassionally we sent stock to Byfield. We also grew a small number of Pinus radiata for Peachy and Passendale Districts. I think it was about 40 000. We didn’t plant P. radiate in coastal areas as the trees suffered from terminal crook. It was even a problem in the nursery. Pinus taeda were grown for Christmas trees. They have a better branch structure for christmas trees. We also use to grow between 500 000 and 800 000 hoop pine a year for Imbil districts. Forestry also had a hardwood program. The program started with about 200 000 a year but rapidly grew to well over million. __________________ Bernie

9th July 2008, 05:23 AM	#15 (permalink)
Ekka Admin - Dip Arb & Hort Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 7,734	Re: Pinus Elliottii vs Radiata vs Taeda Differences Was it a good job working there? Standing on the outside looking in it appears so. __________________ Arborist Training in Australia\| Your Free Helping Guide Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory .... Yes, I also SEO (Optimize) and build websites that fly high in Google Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding and Stump Removal Brisbane Brisbane - Gold Coast Tree Care, Consulting, Developer, Tree and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors