Help me to identify the trees. thanks

Doghouse2

Hi,
I moved to FL and bought this house 1.5 years ago and have been trying to identify these two trees but had not been successful. Please see the pictures attached.

One of the tree looked like it is some kind of berry and the other is a big tree and when it flowered, it has small white/yellow flower (look like baby-breath)
Thank you

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Brent Ferris

The first pic might be privet (Ligustrum sp), the berries when ripe should change to a bluish colour, edible but I wouldn't.
The 2nd looks like an ash leaf, but ash don't have those kind of flowers.
Don't suppose you have a pic of the flowers?

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Eden Keeper

Ligustrum is close (both in the olive family), but the (sweet smelling flowers and thus the) fruits are axillary rather than terminal so devilwood, Osmanthus americanus (L.) Benth. & Hook. f. ex A. Gray, is more likely the first tree/shrub. The compound leaf looks like something in the sumac family and an invasive exotic in the area is Brazilian peppertree, Schinus terebinthifolius Raddi, where the specific epithet indicates that the crushed leaves smell like turpentine.

Brent Ferris

Eden Keeper - What part or structure of the compound leaf makes you suspect the sumac family?

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Eden Keeper

The first impression was the leafy appearance of at least part of the rachis resembling that of winged sumac while all the other given information including location was consistent with the identification. On further examination to try explain how/why the only other obvious yet minute detail was a similarity in the junction of the three terminal leaflet with that of poison ivy where a red dot is used by some as an identification key that works most of the time (a cub scout 1/3-1/4th my age first told me about the red dot when I asked one of several group of cub scouts and parents/guardians how they recognized poison ivy). Other trees in Florida with pinnately compound leaves were also cross referenced and the only ones with a winged rachis were either much further south, armed, and/or had other obvious differences in the leaf, flower/fruit, etc.

Jeffrey Lovstrom

Looks like a cherry laurel to me.
Jeff

Eden Keeper

Yes, Carolina laurelcherry, Prunus caroliniana Aiton, the alternate leaves are obvious now that I can see through an optical illusion that made some appear opposite (even the fruit is respectively alternate or opposite like the leaves, but I just missed it). Due to avoiding any messy round ripe inedible cherries on the ground I'd never noticed the green fruit being oblong with such a tapered end. Interesting how the fruit stalk looks so much like those of devilwood despite the leaf arrangement difference similar to how an alternate leaf dogwood twig looks like a typical dogwood twig.

Brent Ferris

I am not familiar with the term rachis. It looks like it means the point on the stalk of pinnate leaves where the leaflets attach? This being so, is there a different term for palmate leaves?

And I never knew about the red dot either. I'll have to take a closer look next time I run across poison ivy.. I believe I am immune to its effects (and stinging nettle as well). I have rolled in poison ivy, and spent 6 weeks going to the outhouse with poison ivy lining the path, before I found out what it was.

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Eden Keeper

The glossy of the textbook I used in a dendrology I took says a rachis is the axis of an inflorescence, or of a compound leaf. As far as I know it is only on pinnate leaves and is basically a continuation of the petiole, whereas there is a single attachment point at the end of the petiole for the leaflets of palmate leaves. Looking at it another way the rachis is like the midvein of a (pinnate) compound leaf.

Sensitivity to poison ivy can change in either direction at any time just like an allergy.

Brent Ferris

Thanks for the explanation Eden Keeper - it is a lot clearer than what I read.

I don't regularly pickup poison ivy, in fact seldom see it. I just don't get all panicky about it when I do . But thanks for the warning. Will have to look for the red dot though, sounds like a great ID feature.

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