Another fungi ID

Ekka · 26th June 2009, 10:40 AM

Here we go, bit of a change from all the tree ID questions.

Sean Freeman · 26th June 2009, 12:23 PM

Although intiially I thought Lenzites betulina, it is more likely to be Lenzites acuta certainly has the macro characteristics that would match Lenzites sp.....that's my guess anyhow.

Ekka · 26th June 2009, 12:33 PM

The underneath isn't gill-like but more so poroid.

Picture below from the web of the gill like underside of Lenzites betulina

Sean Freeman · 26th June 2009, 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ekka

The underneath isn't gill-like but more so poroid.

Picture below from the web of the gill like underside of Lenzites betulina

The web is not a reliable resource for fungal id in Oz.

Not saying I'm correct just that i would not base the ID on pics from the web.

Quote:

Lenzites acuta.....although with gills, the fruitbody has thick-walled non seperate hyphae, its microscopic structure places it with the pore fungi (eg Polyporaceae)....the gills vary considerably and may be pore like...in different specimens

An Introduction to Fungi on Wood Ian Hood 2003

Do you have view from above or a cross section?

Ekka · 26th June 2009, 12:57 PM

No sorry I do not, was just sort of passing by and not really reporting on it or anything, it was quite high on the trunk (would need ladder to get top view), also there were lots of smaller ones growing, lots of weeping lesions, when you tapped on the bark ... hollow, the bark was separated from the sapwood, seems it feeds on the phloem perhaps.

Sean Freeman · 28th June 2009, 12:16 PM

As some might know i'm a bit obsessed with fungi....well anyway I try to be as accurate as I can be, chatting to some other fungi fascinated types, seems like I was probably not correct (unbelievable as that might be not least to me

)

I'm more inclined on this warm winter Sunday to think the fruiting body is possibly one from a wide of range of polypores, probably not Lenzites sp, just not enough info (fro me) to make a good guess at the id.

Ekka · 4th September 2009, 04:50 PM

Well, I returned to the site. Even shot a little tap test video out of my camera.

Here's the pictures and story.

A real close up of the underneath

And top

And I removed that nice big one carefully

And it brought some bark with it

And a borer was living in this set up!

Close up of the borer

Back up the tree I noted that the bark/sapwood combo was soft and punky and had lifted from the heartwood with a void between them so with a knife and scrench started my delicate and precise excavation like a surgeon with a scalpel.

Now I was digging away carefully and next thing this albino cricket looking bug came out. I killed him with the knife, stabbed him.

More careful removal and coming up to the wound wood roll.

This is showing how careful I am slicing the decayed sapwood from the new woundwood, note the thin slice and how the red bark wasn't pulled off.

This is the big picture, we got the heartwood, decayed sapwood, dead bark, new bark, wound wood etc all in the same shot showing what is happening here.

And the distance picture showing the wide and long dead section that is decaying and separated from the heartwood with lots of bugs getting involved.

And last but not least is a tap test short video I shot out of the picture camera so you can hear and see what goes on.

YouTube - norfolk tap test

Over time that whole area will be a dead section like when a canoe is cut out of the tree. You'll have the sides with new wood rolling over. Often there is debate about removing this dead section and tracing back to living bark like I did in that little section. It would look ugly but would it be beneficial? What do you think?

And of course what do you think the fungi is?

Therrin · 4th September 2009, 06:29 PM

Wow, this thread is really interesting Ekka. Good stuff!

R.I.P. creepy looking albino cricket.

Galbee · 4th September 2009, 07:29 PM

Nice one

im betting on ganoderma or stereum for the fungi oh maybe not

kiwi_tree_steve · 4th September 2009, 08:06 PM

cool thread!! good to keep our knowledge going in this area!

Ekka · 5th September 2009, 07:48 AM

Come on, we're arborists here lets see some answers to the everyday questions people expect answers to.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ekka

Over time that whole area will be a dead section like when a canoe is cut out of the tree. You'll have the sides with new wood rolling over. Often there is debate about removing this dead section and tracing back to living bark like I did in that little section. It would look ugly but would it be beneficial? What do you think?

And of course what do you think the fungi is?

One more question, what do you think caused this large wound to the cambium?

Galbee · 5th September 2009, 08:34 AM

it looks like a long term problem as there are no signs of branches trying to grow on this side of the tree unlike the otherside, therefore was it badly damaged as a youngster and never recovered on one side just kept on opening up the wound?
or was there a tree or object next to the tree for many years then removed and consequently got sunburned drying out the cambium on that side?

Ekka · 11th September 2009, 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galbee

or was there a tree or object next to the tree for many years then removed and consequently got sunburned drying out the cambium on that side?

Bingo.

There's no signs of mechanical damage like say an excavator bashing into it.

If other trees impacted it during felling operations branches higher up would likely be broken and you'd expect some branches on that lower portion to be broken ... but there's none lower and no damage higher... also if something were to impact it, it would at one point and not follow the circumference of the tree that far around so I rule out impact.

There's few branches that side, that low. Tells me it was shaded out or they were pruned off when small. Examining the area there's little evidence of branches being pruned off so I conclude that this side of the tree was shaded out.

The wound also stops at the first whorl of branches, which tells me that the shade cast from the branches higher up was sufficient to prevent sunburn or that the trunk was accustomed to sunlight further up.

I then conclude that it's likely the tree was shaded out by either other vegetation or structures for the lower 5m portion.

I then ring the premises and discuss this with them to find out that it was a heavily wooded property prior to clearing and leaving behind the significant trees, and the tree was opened up on the NW face to sunlight it had never seen before.

We are witnessing the affects of that.

ejrea · 17th September 2009, 02:50 PM

Not a fungi expert, but the first photos looked a bit like Antrodiella zonata, the following ones less so. Thought I would throw that in the mix anyway.

Ekka · 17th September 2009, 10:08 PM

Just today I had this fungi on my mind and decided I'll take it to the herbarium tomorrow in a brown paper bag.

Ekka · 16th October 2009, 06:23 PM

Just got a response from Nigel Fechner from Queensland Herbarium who has ID it as ...

Quote:

I have looked at the fungal specimen you forwarded some weeks ago and I believe that it is probably Trametes villosa. This is a saprophytic species, but very aggresively so. I don’t believe it to be pathogenic

Thanks Nigel.

Ekka · 10th December 2009, 01:58 PM

And my specimen is now in their collection.

26th June 2009, 12:23 PM	#2
Sean Freeman PDF King & Arborist Extrodinaire Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 2,149	Re: Another fungi ID Although intiially I thought Lenzites betulina, it is more likely to be Lenzites acuta certainly has the macro characteristics that would match Lenzites sp.....that's my guess anyhow. __________________ Sean Trees are poems that earth writes upon the sky, We fell them down and turn them into paper, That we may record our emptiness. - Kahlil Gibran http://wanderingarborist.blogspot.com/ http://veterantreegroup.blogspot.com/ http://www.youtube.com/user/VeteranTreeGroup

26th June 2009, 12:57 PM	#5
Ekka Admin - Dip Arb & Hort & Seldom Wrong Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 9,791	Re: Another fungi ID No sorry I do not, was just sort of passing by and not really reporting on it or anything, it was quite high on the trunk (would need ladder to get top view), also there were lots of smaller ones growing, lots of weeping lesions, when you tapped on the bark ... hollow, the bark was separated from the sapwood, seems it feeds on the phloem perhaps. __________________ TAS Training & Assessment Services\| Arb and Hort Training available here Free Online Tree Value Calculator by TreeWorld Free Online TPZ and SRZ AS4970-2009 Calculator by TreeWorld Free Online Tree Surface Area and Tree Volume Calculator by TreeWorld Free Tree and Green Industry Deep Link Directory ... Yes, I also SEO (Optimize) and build websites that fly high in Google Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist, Tree and Arborist Reports \| Project Arborist

28th June 2009, 12:16 PM	#6
Sean Freeman PDF King & Arborist Extrodinaire Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 2,149	Re: Another fungi ID As some might know i'm a bit obsessed with fungi....well anyway I try to be as accurate as I can be, chatting to some other fungi fascinated types, seems like I was probably not correct (unbelievable as that might be not least to me) I'm more inclined on this warm winter Sunday to think the fruiting body is possibly one from a wide of range of polypores, probably not Lenzites sp, just not enough info (fro me) to make a good guess at the id. __________________ Sean Trees are poems that earth writes upon the sky, We fell them down and turn them into paper, That we may record our emptiness. - Kahlil Gibran http://wanderingarborist.blogspot.com/ http://veterantreegroup.blogspot.com/ http://www.youtube.com/user/VeteranTreeGroup

4th September 2009, 06:29 PM	#8
Therrin Tree World Ninja Monkey Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Bakersfield, Ca Posts: 2,554	Re: Another fungi ID Wow, this thread is really interesting Ekka. Good stuff! R.I.P. creepy looking albino cricket.

4th September 2009, 07:29 PM	#9
Galbee Veteran Heritage Status Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Brisbane Aus Posts: 1,190	Re: Another fungi ID Nice one im betting on ganoderma or stereum for the fungi oh maybe not __________________ In the land of the blind, the man with one eye is king

4th September 2009, 08:06 PM	#10
kiwi_tree_steve Mature tree Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: BC. Canada Posts: 344	Re: Another fungi ID cool thread!! good to keep our knowledge going in this area! __________________ "You have to feel and touch a tree" Shigo

5th September 2009, 08:34 AM	#12
Galbee Veteran Heritage Status Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Brisbane Aus Posts: 1,190	Re: Another fungi ID it looks like a long term problem as there are no signs of branches trying to grow on this side of the tree unlike the otherside, therefore was it badly damaged as a youngster and never recovered on one side just kept on opening up the wound? or was there a tree or object next to the tree for many years then removed and consequently got sunburned drying out the cambium on that side? __________________ In the land of the blind, the man with one eye is king

17th September 2009, 02:50 PM	#14
ejrea Sappling Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Bittern, Mornington Peninsula Posts: 11	Re: Another fungi ID Not a fungi expert, but the first photos looked a bit like Antrodiella zonata, the following ones less so. Thought I would throw that in the mix anyway.

17th September 2009, 10:08 PM	#15
Ekka Admin - Dip Arb & Hort & Seldom Wrong Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 9,791	Re: Another fungi ID Just today I had this fungi on my mind and decided I'll take it to the herbarium tomorrow in a brown paper bag. __________________ TAS Training & Assessment Services\| Arb and Hort Training available here Free Online Tree Value Calculator by TreeWorld Free Online TPZ and SRZ AS4970-2009 Calculator by TreeWorld Free Online Tree Surface Area and Tree Volume Calculator by TreeWorld Free Tree and Green Industry Deep Link Directory ... Yes, I also SEO (Optimize) and build websites that fly high in Google Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist, Tree and Arborist Reports \| Project Arborist

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