Isle of Man Tree Surgery| Aerial Arborist

TREE-SURFER · 14th November 2007, 08:48 PM

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Dedicated to ridding the Island of Tree Toppers

All our operatives are NPTC Qualified and working to BS3998.

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Call Andy Today on 07624-479946 and get yours properly looked at.

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Check out the competitions work. Please don't let others do this to yours. Visit this thread called "Isle of Man Tree Surgery Club"

Ekka · 16th November 2007, 08:30 AM

Isle of Man is fortunate to have a good knowledgeable arborist like you there Andy.

I can tell by your posts, contribution and dedication to proper tree care and business professionalism that you have pride in your work and care for trees in addition to doing those removals safely.

Kudos to you mate, and good luck in ridding those hackers who destroy trees for the sake of a dollar.

TREE-SURFER · 16th November 2007, 09:15 AM

Thank you Ekka,

Most people who own trees, don't usually know what they have or what they are worth.

Trees that grow around our urban lifestyle and especially, around our houses, add value to the property.

If those trees are not looked after properly, then Estate agents who hire people like us to make a TREE SURVEY REPORT and the owners have had the cowboys in, then that would decrease the value of that house, should there be any form of malpractice to the tree.

TOPPING, HEADING, HATRACKING will only mean disaster and more money spent by the owner to have it remedied, or removed, usually by the same crew that destroyed the tree in the first place. This is just a means to get more future work.

The Aerial Arborist will walk away from a site, should the customer ask, "Just basically cut it in half". Would you ask to have your arm removed by a Chiropodist, for a complaint of an ingrown toe nail. Simply put, NO!

Make sure you know what you are getting into when hiring Tree Cutters. Ask for qualifications, insurance, even ask what they will do to your tree. If anything, Ask an Arborist here, leave a message and someone will get back to you, usually within 12 hours.

Lets leave the TREE TOPPERS on the ground.

Ekka · 16th November 2007, 09:35 AM

From personal experience I can say topping is contagious.

You tend to see it in groups and can see where the guy went down the street administering his dose of malpractice and ignorance.

There are some arguments that certain trees etc will grow tall and self destruct, break in the wind/snow/ice etc.

There are correct and more appropriate pruning techniques.

Some of those techniques are reduction, pollarding, and thinning. Again there's a thread running here where some of the concepts are discussed and also a PowerPoint presentation. Point 3 of that presentation does mention topping however do realize it's for special cases, it also comes with it's own cautions ...

Quote:

NOTES:
1 This type of pruning should be done in several stages in an attempt to induce stable and successful regrowth.
2 Consideration should be given to removing dangerous trees.
3 Remedial pruning may create hazards from weak branch attachment. Trees should be carefully monitored.

Anti Topping Campaign

Also to consider, we are talking about trees not shrubs. The difference as defined by a great author and tree man the late Shigo was if it can fall over or break off and hurt or kill you then it's a tree.

newguy18 · 17th November 2007, 03:30 PM

i have an uncle who swears topping is the best thing for a tree.he topped all his trees in dade city and when a good bit of rain came through almost all of them blew over and the ones that remaind broke at least in half where they were previously topped.the bad part was that he had a 80' bucket he wouldn't sell me and when he finally got rid of it he pulled the generator and scraped it.Moron

TREE-SURFER · 19th November 2007, 09:40 AM

This Acer Pseudoplatanus (Sycamore), had to be removed for ill health.

20 years ago, along with the house, a wall was built not 6 and a half feet away from the tree.

This could have been prevented, had the contractors known about the risks of cutting through roots.

It's almost sad to watch another tree go through the chipper.

British Standards 5837:2005, Trees in relation to Construction now have this covered with Root Protection Zones

newguy18 · 19th November 2007, 10:41 AM

nice pics and its good to see people who know what they're doing getting work.

pomme · 20th November 2007, 05:40 AM

bs 5837 is great but unfortunatly not enforced enough. all to often i have seen root zones used as storage areas and access areas for plant. good luck tree surfer in your quest to rid your island of the unscrupulous(?) traders

TREE-SURFER · 23rd November 2007, 10:33 PM

Writing Tree Survey Reports for this site, took just over 1 week.

Noting every little detail about every tree that would be affected.

Out of 37 trees, (including small copses,) because of the nature of the site, 33 would have to be felled. Some folk say that this is a natural woodland, but professionaly speaking, it has just been left to go into ruin. Mutilation of trees, including cuts and being set on fire, have left them hazardous. The 37 reported on, are just in the lower part of the woodland, whereas, a further 200 will require another report.

This site, is indeed private property, which has had public access for many years, as a short cut, purely because, no maintenence was ever carried out over a fifty year span. The land was given to a charity on the wishes of the owner on her death, to do something with. The new land owners now wish to develope houses to be sold and raise money for the charity. Which means, trees that would be deemed natural, would infact be classified as hazardous in the public domain.

The owners, under Law, would have to have work done to them in order to make them safe, felling, pruning, limbing, dead-wooding etc. To keep out the public, would mean that a boundry wall or fence would have to be errected, again, to keep the public safe.
The trees that I have condemed are to be removed, but the powers that be, say there is nothing wrong with the trees, in a woodland. That is ok, but, "Will you put that in writing?" answer, "No!".

So, do we keep it as a natural woodland for the benefit of the trees and let the public carry on walking their dogs, or do we have a managed area, where the trees, wildlife and people can live.

Done it · 25th November 2007, 10:16 PM

I hate doing this, I try to tell them it's wrong but that's what they want. If I don't do it they will get someone else. You should see some of the jobs I have not done around here, it would make you sick.

Sean Freeman · 25th November 2007, 10:24 PM

Post some pics up if you can Done it, Parramatta is a very beautiful spot in places, the ISAAC conference was there in 04 (I think) I had a great time there.

JayD · 25th November 2007, 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Done it

I hate doing this, I try to tell them it's wrong but that's what they want. If I don't do it they will get someone else. You should see some of the jobs I have not done around here, it would make you sick.

Hi Done it,
Mate stand by your guns, Dont do it your reputation is not worth it, Me we talk our customer around, If we can't we walk and keep an eye on the job if it's gets done we report them!..

Topping of trees is just not on! and against the law, We as a whole has to say..NO...Forget about the money, work by the AS prunning standard and your work will find you, and you can walk away with your head high an shoulders back and you wont have to quake yourself everytime the TPO approaches you.

Welcome to TreeWorld

Done it · 26th November 2007, 09:08 PM

Thanks mate, but I can't hold my head up or shoulders back, I've been splitting wood all weekend and clearing power wires with a pole saw today

Therrin · 2nd December 2007, 06:59 PM

I hear ya on the sore back Done it, I spent the entire day splitting wood also. Standing is too tall for me, and otherwise I'm just down on my knees all the time. I switch off with the guy I hired to work with me, that way we both got some relief. What a crummy day, its freezin outside all day, and the wind didn't help any.

Back sure is sore!

TREE-SURFER · 20th December 2007, 12:33 PM

Noble's Park elm tree may have to be felled - Isle of Man Today

I have covered this topic in another thread on this forum "Isle of Man Tree Surgery Club"

It purely shows, that even in the era of tree protection, especially around construction sites, that ignorance of British Standards, will get you off.

With the high amenity value put on trees like these, fines of up to ?20,000(GBP) can be imposed. Up to now, no-one has been held responsible for the destruction of this perfect, 150 year old specimen Elm.
Ignorance is no excuse.
After all, if a drunk driver claimed he didn't know he was drunk after he killed a family in their car after he crashed into them, would he get off with it?....NO! That is the best scenario that I could think of to explain the relevance on the subject.
Even the other trees on-site, have been subjects of root compaction, and soil backed over the root ball, even down to storage of materials on or near to the root system.

Near to where the tree was located (subsequently removed) is now erected with new gate posts leading to a new band stand, (photo's to follow). Is this showing something, or am I just Barking up the wrong tree?......

Ekka · 20th December 2007, 01:47 PM

Great work and research for both threads. It is common knowledge that both delevelopers and councils work together. It is also common for underhanded payments (greasing) to take place.

In a chronic case of such the whole council was sacked by State govt here in NSW. The Tweed Shire on the border of Queensland and NSW is a hot tourist spot plus lots of foreshore development taking place.

Source: Tweed council sacked over developer links. 25/05/2005. ABC News Online

Quote:

Wednesday, May 25, 2005. 12:03pm (AEST)
Tweed council sacked over developer links

The New South Wales Government has sacked the Tweed Shire Council on the New South Wales north coast and referred allegations of corruption to the Independent Commission Against Corruption (ICAC).

The dismissal follows an inquiry by Emeritus Professor Maurice Daly, with his report focusing on the way in which a majority of councillors on the council were elected, finding they were "puppets" of a developer-controlled group known as Tweed Directions.

It has been referred to the ICAC along with electoral funding irregularities and serious breaches of planning laws.

The report says candidates who presented themselves as independent were actually selected and supported by Tweed Directions and their actions corrupted the democratic process and misled the electorate.

Local Government Minister Tony Kelly announced the dismissal in Parliament this morning.

"By presenting themselves as independents the group distorted the community's understanding of their real status and purpose, effectively they lied to the community."

Mr Kelly also says the dismissal of the council is just a first step.

He says it is likely there will be more repercussions.

"Obviously this is a first report, this step is to ensure the council now can get back on track and the people of Tweed will be able to look to a stable council for the future," he said.

"But in the interim, obviously the further report from Maurice Daly to come and the references to ICAC, and other bodies could well bring further action independent of the Department of Local Government."

Former Tweed Shire councillor Henry James was serving his third term and says some councillors have paid the price for the 'sins' of their colleagues.

Mr James, who was not one of the pro-development councillors named at the inquiry, says the Government's response is 'over the top'.

"It's likely the decision-making processes will be a whole lot less transparent as they were under the council regime - as bad as it was," he said.

"And there's no guarantees the decisions will be much better because the state government's track record on planning decisions is hardly better than Tweed Shire Council's."

Before the decision, former mayor Warren Polglase said the inquiry was unfair.

"There's an issue of denial of natural justice - that's the main issue," he said.

"Before you go down this track of doing anything, you should make sure that you have all the information available to you.

"Some of that information of what happened between government departments or the commissioner and government departments is not available to us and therefore we are seeking that information."

Mind you, we dont need a professor to tell us when things stink, many knew beforehand just proving this is tough.

However the common public often are easily subdued with a few simple press releases and stories of BS from council like it was an "accident", more like it was a "cover up".

Now, contrary to common sense councillors do need to be voted in.

On the Gold Coast neighbouring shire to Tweed lives real estate mogul Max Christmas, and believe it or not the public voted him in as a councillor.

How hard would it be not to have a conflict of interest? No matter how good the guys integrity is he's now in the know, also making decisions on where the next bridge or tunnel should go could be biased to where his land holdings are.

So, this is the real world, and the sort of work you are doing is what no other person could care about, but the ramifications go further than the tree I assure you.

Oldtimer · 22nd December 2007, 03:23 AM

.....Tweed lives real estate mogul Max Christmas, and believe it or not the public voted him in as a councillor.......

Makes me wonder when this guy has time to run the local town council while he is Preisdent of a Multi-National Conglomerate.

I am sure he is not even getting paid for his services to the Council. hahahahaha.

Ekka · 10th January 2008, 08:44 PM

LOL

It's always a strange situation those beach front Miami style places, slat, sand and sun does something for sure.

Greenman UK · 18th August 2008, 10:22 PM

Hi Tree Surfer!

Did you have any luck meeting Dougie Chalk at the Manx Forestry Dpt and sorting out the info leaflet?
Really do think they should meet the cost of this as its in the interest of the public!!!!

Used to work for the Dpt and it was often said on the main land that they were 20 yrs behind the UK in terms of BS 5837, TPO's and forestry management plans/practice!

Trouble is with the Dpt many of the old boys are due to retire and i dont think they want to rock the boat. Many LA's and governments are like this!!! Its all about passing the buck!!

16th November 2007, 08:30 AM	#2
Ekka Admin - Dip Arb & Hort & Seldom Wrong Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 9,752	Re: The Aerial Arborist, Isle of Man, Tree Surgery Isle of Man is fortunate to have a good knowledgeable arborist like you there Andy. I can tell by your posts, contribution and dedication to proper tree care and business professionalism that you have pride in your work and care for trees in addition to doing those removals safely. Kudos to you mate, and good luck in ridding those hackers who destroy trees for the sake of a dollar. __________________ TAS Training & Assessment Services\| Arb and Hort Training available here Free Online Tree Value Calculator by TreeWorld Free Online TPZ and SRZ AS4970-2009 Calculator by TreeWorld Free Online Tree Surface Area and Tree Volume Calculator by TreeWorld Free Tree and Green Industry Deep Link Directory ... Yes, I also SEO (Optimize) and build websites that fly high in Google Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist, Tree and Arborist Reports \| Project Arborist

17th November 2007, 03:30 PM	#5
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 5,184	Re: The Aerial Arborist, Isle of Man, Tree Surgery i have an uncle who swears topping is the best thing for a tree.he topped all his trees in dade city and when a good bit of rain came through almost all of them blew over and the ones that remaind broke at least in half where they were previously topped.the bad part was that he had a 80' bucket he wouldn't sell me and when he finally got rid of it he pulled the generator and scraped it.Moron __________________ Have your say join us today. I ship USA saws out of the USA old schooler

19th November 2007, 10:41 AM	#7
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 5,184	Re: The Aerial Arborist, Isle of Man, Tree Surgery nice pics and its good to see people who know what they're doing getting work. __________________ Have your say join us today. I ship USA saws out of the USA old schooler

20th November 2007, 05:40 AM	#8
pomme Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: england Posts: 236	Re: The Aerial Arborist, Isle of Man, Tree Surgery bs 5837 is great but unfortunatly not enforced enough. all to often i have seen root zones used as storage areas and access areas for plant. good luck tree surfer in your quest to rid your island of the unscrupulous(?) traders

25th November 2007, 10:16 PM	#10
Done it Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Parramatta. nsw. Australia. Posts: 629	Re: Isle of Man Tree Surgery\| Aerial Arborist I hate doing this, I try to tell them it's wrong but that's what they want. If I don't do it they will get someone else. You should see some of the jobs I have not done around here, it would make you sick.

25th November 2007, 10:24 PM	#11
Sean Freeman PDF King & Arborist Extrodinaire Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 2,155	Re: Isle of Man Tree Surgery\| Aerial Arborist Post some pics up if you can Done it, Parramatta is a very beautiful spot in places, the ISAAC conference was there in 04 (I think) I had a great time there. __________________ Sean Trees are poems that earth writes upon the sky, We fell them down and turn them into paper, That we may record our emptiness. - Kahlil Gibran http://wanderingarborist.blogspot.com/ http://veterantreegroup.blogspot.com/ http://www.youtube.com/user/VeteranTreeGroup

26th November 2007, 09:08 PM	#13
Done it Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Parramatta. nsw. Australia. Posts: 629	Re: Isle of Man Tree Surgery\| Aerial Arborist Thanks mate, but I can't hold my head up or shoulders back, I've been splitting wood all weekend and clearing power wires with a pole saw today

2nd December 2007, 06:59 PM	#14
Therrin Tree World Ninja Monkey Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Bakersfield, Ca Posts: 2,554	Re: Isle of Man Tree Surgery\| Aerial Arborist I hear ya on the sore back Done it, I spent the entire day splitting wood also. Standing is too tall for me, and otherwise I'm just down on my knees all the time. I switch off with the guy I hired to work with me, that way we both got some relief. What a crummy day, its freezin outside all day, and the wind didn't help any. Back sure is sore!

20th December 2007, 12:33 PM	#15
TREE-SURFER Mature tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Isle of Man,UK. Posts: 378	Re: Isle of Man Tree Surgery\| Aerial Arborist Noble's Park elm tree may have to be felled - Isle of Man Today I have covered this topic in another thread on this forum "Isle of Man Tree Surgery Club" It purely shows, that even in the era of tree protection, especially around construction sites, that ignorance of British Standards, will get you off. With the high amenity value put on trees like these, fines of up to ?20,000(GBP) can be imposed. Up to now, no-one has been held responsible for the destruction of this perfect, 150 year old specimen Elm. Ignorance is no excuse. After all, if a drunk driver claimed he didn't know he was drunk after he killed a family in their car after he crashed into them, would he get off with it?....NO! That is the best scenario that I could think of to explain the relevance on the subject. Even the other trees on-site, have been subjects of root compaction, and soil backed over the root ball, even down to storage of materials on or near to the root system. Near to where the tree was located (subsequently removed) is now erected with new gate posts leading to a new band stand, (photo's to follow). Is this showing something, or am I just Barking up the wrong tree?...... __________________ The Aerial Arborist Isle of Man Tree Surgeon\| All Aspects of Tree Work What experts say about TOPPING

22nd December 2007, 03:23 AM	#17
Oldtimer Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Austin TX Posts: 105	Re: Isle of Man Tree Surgery\| Aerial Arborist .....Tweed lives real estate mogul Max Christmas, and believe it or not the public voted him in as a councillor....... Makes me wonder when this guy has time to run the local town council while he is Preisdent of a Multi-National Conglomerate. I am sure he is not even getting paid for his services to the Council. hahahahaha.

10th January 2008, 08:44 PM	#18
Ekka Admin - Dip Arb & Hort & Seldom Wrong Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 9,752	Re: Isle of Man Tree Surgery\| Aerial Arborist LOL It's always a strange situation those beach front Miami style places, slat, sand and sun does something for sure. __________________ TAS Training & Assessment Services\| Arb and Hort Training available here Free Online Tree Value Calculator by TreeWorld Free Online TPZ and SRZ AS4970-2009 Calculator by TreeWorld Free Online Tree Surface Area and Tree Volume Calculator by TreeWorld Free Tree and Green Industry Deep Link Directory ... Yes, I also SEO (Optimize) and build websites that fly high in Google Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist, Tree and Arborist Reports \| Project Arborist

18th August 2008, 10:22 PM	#19
Greenman UK Sappling Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Birmingham UK Posts: 18	Re: Isle of Man Tree Surgery\| Aerial Arborist Hi Tree Surfer! Did you have any luck meeting Dougie Chalk at the Manx Forestry Dpt and sorting out the info leaflet? Really do think they should meet the cost of this as its in the interest of the public!!!! Used to work for the Dpt and it was often said on the main land that they were 20 yrs behind the UK in terms of BS 5837, TPO's and forestry management plans/practice! Trouble is with the Dpt many of the old boys are due to retire and i dont think they want to rock the boat. Many LA's and governments are like this!!! Its all about passing the buck!! __________________ BSc (Hons) For, HND For, M.Arbor A. CEnv Consultant Arboriculturist

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