One Bad Boy 044, for cutting fire wood

Bruce Hopf

Well today, I had time to get my newly ported 044 out, to cut some fire wood with. This is the chain saw that pioneerguy600 (from over at AS) built for me.
He also modified the muffler for me as well.
Here are all the videos, that I had made, stock, muffler modified, and ported.
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The first two videos of the cutting of the fire wood was done with a Carlton A1 chain, and the rakers were set at 0.025"
The last video, is with a Carlton A1 chain, with the rakers set at 0.030".
Enjoy. Bruce.

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windthrown

Looks like hard frozen oak.

Aren't modified 044's fun to run?

I love mine.

Bruce Hopf

I have to agree with you 110%, on loving the chain saw. I'm going to give porting a try one of these days here. I have a couple spare cylinders, that I can play with, and see what I can do.

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2- Mini Mac 35's, 1- Mac 140 with Automatic Chain Sharpener,
1- Pro Mac 10-10, 1- Mac Cat, 2- Eager Beaver
2.0's, 1- Mac 1-10
Stihl chain saws
2- 044's, 2- 034's, 2- 024's, 1- 064, 1- 084,
Strunk chain saws
1- Busy Beaver, 1- SpeeDemon Special
Stand Back, I Have A Very Extreme Case of CAD (Chain Saw Addiction Disorder).

Eric Frei

You can see how much better it ran after opening up the muffler.

Yeah I like 44's too, cant stand the 441

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Bruce Hopf

The wood that I was cutting was Ash.
I agree about how much better it ran after the muffler opened up, but it ran a lot better, once the cylinder was ported, as well. Bruce.

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McCulloch chain saws
1- Pro Mac 60, 1- Pro Mac 700, 2- Mac 10-10 Automatic's, 2- Mini Mac 30's, 2- Mac 110's,
2- Mini Mac 35's, 1- Mac 140 with Automatic Chain Sharpener,
1- Pro Mac 10-10, 1- Mac Cat, 2- Eager Beaver
2.0's, 1- Mac 1-10
Stihl chain saws
2- 044's, 2- 034's, 2- 024's, 1- 064, 1- 084,
Strunk chain saws
1- Busy Beaver, 1- SpeeDemon Special
Stand Back, I Have A Very Extreme Case of CAD (Chain Saw Addiction Disorder).

newguy18

i agree,the 441 sucks,i'll take a 460 anyday.

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Eric Frei

Rumour is they want to do to the 460 what they did to the 440

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windthrown

Rumors here suggests that the 441 IS the replacement for the 460. The 461 is not on the drawing table yet, as far as anyone knows. There is no Stihl series designation number for it yet. The 1140 saws are coming out now in the States and Europe, and the 1141 saws are currently in the works. The known series numbers for the Stihl saws are grouped as follows:

1106 090
1119 038, 380, 381
1120 009, 010, 011, 012
1121 024, 026, MS 260
1122 064, 066, MS 650, MS 660
1123 021, 023, 025, MS 210, MS 250
1124 084, 088, MS 880
1125 034, 036, MS 360
1127 029, 039, MS 290, MS 310, MS 390
1128 044, 046, MS 440, MS 460
1129 020 T, MS 200 T
1130 017, 018, MS 170, MS 180
1132 019 T, MS 191T
1133 MS 270, MS 280
1135 MS 361
1137 MS 192

Newer strato smogged saws:

1138 MS 441
1139 MS 171, MS 181, MS 211
1140 MS 311, MS 362, MS 391
1141 MS 261, MS 271, MS 291

windthrown

In other words the MS 192/T, MS 200/T, MS 230, MS 250, MS 460, MS 650, MS 660, and MS 880 have yet to be given a series number for updates for new smog saws. The MS 381 is not sold here, and never will be.

Bruce Hopf

Here is some videos of a monster I unleashed today. It is a 084. I have taken a video of it before, and after I did the modification, to the muffler.
Here is some pictures of the process, of the muffler modification. I still have to find some Spark Arrest, for these mufflers of mine, that way I won't have to worry about lighting the bush on fire.
Bruce.

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McCulloch chain saws
1- Pro Mac 60, 1- Pro Mac 700, 2- Mac 10-10 Automatic's, 2- Mini Mac 30's, 2- Mac 110's,
2- Mini Mac 35's, 1- Mac 140 with Automatic Chain Sharpener,
1- Pro Mac 10-10, 1- Mac Cat, 2- Eager Beaver
2.0's, 1- Mac 1-10
Stihl chain saws
2- 044's, 2- 034's, 2- 024's, 1- 064, 1- 084,
Strunk chain saws
1- Busy Beaver, 1- SpeeDemon Special
Stand Back, I Have A Very Extreme Case of CAD (Chain Saw Addiction Disorder).

STEVEGODSEYJR

I am not sure why you guys dislike the 441. I personally think it is a better saw than the 460. It is damn near the same size in power and it gets way better gas mileage. It has way better antivibe and air filter system. If it is modded then I think it will eat a modded 460. The 441 is here to stay. That's just my opinion!
Steve

Cut4fun

Pirus = 441 sips gas too, but weighs less and I wont be caught with either

windthrown

It is a lot harder to mod 441s than a 460 or 440. Strato engine. Also those that have modified them? No way does a modified 441 spank a modified 460. The 441 has a *tad* more power than a 440, not a 460 (stock). And they are heavier saws, and they cut funny. At least the early model looser spring ones that I ran. Yes, the 441 does use less gas... I will give you that one, and only that one in your list. However, these are the cold facts:

460 6.0 HP (9% more power than a stock 441... sorry Charlie)
441 5.5 HP
440 5.4 HP (a whopping 2% less than a 441, but also 3/4 of a pound lighter)

And yes, the 460 is a gas guzzler. Mine was. I prefer the 044 over the other two. My modified 044 will beat a stock 460. But beat a modified 460? No frikkin' way. And neither will a modified 441. Sorry. Oh, and yah, the 441 is indeed here to stay by virtue of the EPA. They are on the shelves here in the PNW. No one really likes the 441 here and sales have never been that great though. Most loggers that I know flipped from the 440 to the 460, or the 372xp II. The 440 was the king of logging saws here for many years until they were discontinued.

I'll keep my 044, thanks.

wannab12

Hi guys, hope you don't mind me "chiming in",modded 044/440,460 are my favourites, throw in an 026 & 066 and you have a pretty powerful workforce. It'll be interesting to see how the hardcore motorheads get the stratos figured out. Has anyone here tried modding them ? If so what are some of the tricks to look for ??

Steve

Cut4fun

I have seen them 441 woods ported by 6-7 people now. They run alot better then the anemic stock 441 I ran. I was even impressed by the last 441 woods port I ran at the Jan gtg. But 441 is still no match for a 7900 372 when they are woods ported too. Been there done that and it isnt close.

441 woods ported reminds me of a good running stock dolmar 7900 or solo 681 at best.

windthrown

Sounds like the stock 7900 is the dog's ballacks, as they say in the UK. I will have to test fire one now that there is a real Dolly dealer in town.

Cut4fun

If you get lucky and find one of those stock running 7900's with 180psi brand new out of the box. You will know, just remember 13.5k rev-limited.

Hope you get lucky on and find a ringer.

windthrown

Can you get a non-rev-limiting coil for the 7900?

Cut4fun

Only overseas on the RS7900. You have to make your own out of 2 coils and retime your flywheel.
The 7900 in the video after being ported is unlimited.

Bruce Hopf

Lets see some videos of your bad boys, in action. No matter what brand, or model of chain saw it is. This is one of the reasons I started this thread, to see, and to share what every one has.
Here is some videos of a 034, before and after the muffler modification.
Enjoy. Bruce.

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McCulloch chain saws
1- Pro Mac 60, 1- Pro Mac 700, 2- Mac 10-10 Automatic's, 2- Mini Mac 30's, 2- Mac 110's,
2- Mini Mac 35's, 1- Mac 140 with Automatic Chain Sharpener,
1- Pro Mac 10-10, 1- Mac Cat, 2- Eager Beaver
2.0's, 1- Mac 1-10
Stihl chain saws
2- 044's, 2- 034's, 2- 024's, 1- 064, 1- 084,
Strunk chain saws
1- Busy Beaver, 1- SpeeDemon Special
Stand Back, I Have A Very Extreme Case of CAD (Chain Saw Addiction Disorder).

CHRISCRAFTNICK

Hey there, would you be able to give me exact details of your mod. I have a ms 440 mag and am tired of it getting spanked by a husky 371 xp. (no comparison) i was thinking of a aftermarket 460 big bore kit? What's your opinion. I only cut my own firewood, this is a toy. I want something reliable! I am outside of barrie, on.

Thanks
nick

windthrown

Spanked by a 371? That should not be the case. The last 371 that I ran was less powerful that my pre-mod 044, but it was tired. I would not get the 460 BB kit for the 440. The 460 BB will not fit the 440 without a lot of modifications. The bolt pattern is different and the cylinder height is different. If you get a BB kit, get the 440 BB kit and it will fit the 440 like a glove, and it will give you the exact same displacemnt as a stock 460, which is a good size increase.

Also what is your compression? You may just have tired rings in there. New rings are cheap, and often times can give you 20-30# more compression. Also DP muffler covers are fairly cheap. The 460 DP cover is the one to get for both the 440 and the 460. It used to be the difference in what the "Magnum" ment in those saws. A 440 BB kit should give you 6.0 HP, and with the DP cover and retuned carb it should give you about 6.5 HP. A light port and you will be upwards of 7 HP. A Stock 371 has the same engine and HP as the smaller 372, which is 5.3 HP. The stock 440 has 5.4 HP.

So either your competition is a modified 371, or your 440 needs a tune or is tired. I have found that new rings can really wake up a tired saw. Or your chains are dull, or something. A full chisel chain with a square grind will give you a good 15% bump in cutting speed.

Cut4fun

Mild woods ported red light 066 with stock oem piston with no work done to piston whatsoever. Running rich in 14k range after running 32" bar. Forgot to turn it up for timed cuts and running just 8T .


One of the woods ported 084 I sold this year. Running just a 9T in video, cut its fastest times with a 11T .


NO NOT work chains being tested in the clean cant wood.

windthrown

I presume that you swapped out the stock limiting 066 coil? Need to be careful about not spinning the AL flywheel off those early 066's when they are dialed up. I miss my Red Light 066. That was a good saw.

Cut4fun

Windy, not worried about flys breaking the cranks, run them son run them dont be scared.

We also was testing a 064 with Big Bore 99cc 066 topend running a 9T.

windthrown

You should be. The AL flywheels on those early 066s have too much inertia, and they are prone to spin off and destroy the saw if you bog or stop them suddenly in a cut at high RPM. That is why Stihl switched to a poly flywheel on later model 066s w/o the rev limiter. Lower inertia with the poly flywheel.

Cut4fun

Well how do you know my red light hasnt been updated on the lower end.

Still I wouldnt worry about it, I would just by another saw when the time arrived or use one of my many others.

Now talking about breaking cranks, try the sachs dolmar 166 on for size .

windthrown

Early red light case with a later model crank, nut and seals? Not likely...

Hint:They do not interchange.

Cut4fun

You just dont get it . Best of both worlds . Not even going to try and explain to a know it all .

windthrown

Ok, Dr Frankenstein.

From the factory they do not interchange...

And good luck with the bearings. They are not cheap on those saws.