My Stihl MS 361s and Friends

windthrown · 9th August 2009, 08:39 AM

Here is a photo of my saw family. They are all working saws.

From bottom left and up to the right:
026 early model with aluminum handle and 16" .325 Stihl E bar
026 later model with composit handle and clear tank, 16" 3/8 GB Pro blade
361 with 25" 3/8 Stihl ES bar
Moving to the left top:
361 with 25" GB Pro blade (with full skip)
Center:
044 DP modded, 3/4 wrap, dual dogs, 28" 3/8 Stihl ES bar

I messed up the bars though. I should have made all the Stihl bars printing up, so that the saws were in proper alignment with the globe, with the GB Aussy bars being upside down to account for the gravity shuft up here in North America

Bruce Hopf · 9th August 2009, 08:58 AM

Nice looking saws that you have there. Here is a few pictures of mine, that I work with now. In the background, there is a few McCulloch chain saws as well, that I only use for fun now and again. No serious more serious wood cutting with them any more, because of health reasons.
The Stihl chain saws in the photos are an 044, 034, and 024, in size order, from smallest to biggest, to biggest to smallest. All these chain saws I got cheap, and I fixed them up. Bruce.

windthrown · 11th August 2009, 04:11 PM

Nice saws there, Bruce. I never ran either an 024 or an 034. Only 026 and 036.

My newer 026 has an open/empty muffler, while the older one is all choked up with internal muffler BS. I bought that one for $40 as a parts saw (scored P&C that I fixed). The rest were all good deals, but running saws with clean engines. I bought the 361 both near new (maybe 10 hours on each of them). I modified the 044 with the DP muffler. I sold off all the 1123 saws. I was thinking of getting an 024s to replace my 025, but lucked into the 026s on Craigslist. I guess the 024s is really about the same as an 026 though.

Cole · 11th August 2009, 05:27 PM

hi windthrow staying thirsty is the name of the game haha... just wanted to know if you had any feed back about the stihl ms650b and about the mods on your 460 as ive seen a few muffler mods etc avaliable. sthil dont import this ms650 saw into australia.... reason im asking is the chainsaw theives cleaned me out last friday.. i could go on for hours about it but what do you do im sure its not just a problem here in australia either. cheers

Therrin · 11th August 2009, 06:43 PM

Cole,

Stihl may not import the ms650 into Aus. But if I can get my hands on one, then I would.

Nice saws guys. I'll have to take a pic of all my stihls sometime.
361, 028, 011, 200T

Cole · 11th August 2009, 08:54 PM

ok kool ill definetly look into it then im a i weigh 69 kg or 152 pounds i have two diffrent bars for my 460 as i prefer it to using my 66 or 88 only when the application demands its use

Bruce Hopf · 11th August 2009, 11:24 PM

Cole, that really Sucks Man. Sorry to hear about this. I can remember years back, when I was a kid, my Dad had his own Plumbing, and Heating Business, one of his customers was cutting fire wood in his bush. They had stopped cutting and left the bush for lunch, without taking the chain saws with them.
While they were gone, they figure some hunters came along, seen the chain saws, and walked off with them.
After that when we stopped for lunch, we would hide the chain saws somewhere in the bush, that way nobody would find them, or see them. But that was still a risk to take.
Once again, sorry about your luck. Bruce.

Therrin · 12th August 2009, 05:29 AM

Cole,

Looks like the MSRP is about $939.95US for a new saw. That's from a place about 10 miles from me here in Bakersfield, Ca.

Last time I shipped a 200T to AUS it cost about $80. So something that size should cost a little bit more. I ship them powerhead only, without the bar/chain. That also qualifies them as "chainsaw parts" since it isnt a complete saw, and forgoes the legalities of shipping new, complete saws into AUS.

windthrown · 12th August 2009, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Cole

hi windthrow staying thirsty is the name of the game haha... just wanted to know if you had any feed back about the stihl ms650b and about the mods on your 460 as ive seen a few muffler mods etc avaliable. sthil dont import this ms650 saw into australia.... reason im asking is the chainsaw theives cleaned me out last friday.. i could go on for hours about it but what do you do im sure its not just a problem here in australia either. cheers

I never liked the 650, if for no other reason than that the 660 has more power and it is on the same frame, and the exact same weight. May as well have the extra half HP. Both are too heavy for me, and I do not need that kind of power. My 044 has the 046 DP muffler on it, and it has about the same power as a 460 as a result (maybe more). I had a 460, but it was too heavy for my likes. I like the 044 a lot more. Better on gas, easier to manage, and lighter. It will also cut big wood, and this one has the big dogs and 3/4 wrap, HO oil pump, and well, it rocks. They do not make the 440 any more.

Sorry to hear about your saws. I cringe every time I read about saws getting ripped off. I would shoot anyone stealing my saws here (Oregon has very strong personal property laws and few gun laws). Friend of mine got his saws back this winter after his saws were jacked, and the morons who stole them took them to a local pawn broker. Pawn broker took them to a Stihl dealer to ask about their condition, and the Stihl dealer knew the owner of the saws, called the police, and they busted the turds that stole the saws.

Bruce Hopf · 12th August 2009, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by windthrown

I never liked the 650, if for no other reason than that the 660 has more power and it is on the same frame, and the exact same weight. May as well have the extra half HP. Both are too heavy for me, and I do not need that kind of power. My 044 has the 046 DP muffler on it, and it has about the same power as a 460 as a result (maybe more). I had a 460, but it was too heavy for my likes. I like the 044 a lot more. Better on gas, easier to manage, and lighter. It will also cut big wood, and this one has the big dogs and 3/4 wrap, HO oil pump, and well, it rocks. They do not make the 440 any more.

Sorry to hear about your saws. I cringe every time I read about saws getting ripped off. I would shoot anyone stealing my saws here (Oregon has very strong personal property laws and few gun laws). Friend of mine got his saws back this winter after his saws were jacked, and the morons who stole them took them to a local pawn broker. Pawn broker took them to a Stihl dealer to ask about their condition, and the Stihl dealer knew the owner of the saws, called the police, and they busted the turds that stole the saws.

Good that they caught the idiots, that stole your friends saws. Bruce.

Bruce Hopf · 12th August 2009, 05:47 PM

Here is some pictures of my 044. When I bought this saw, it had a seized piston. Piston was broken on one of the sides, and chunks of it where in the crank case.
Without taking the saw apart to see what it really needed, I purchased a piston and cylinder kit from a guy on eBay, and a friend from AS, had a gasket, and seal kit, a carburetor repair kit, that I bought from him.
I went to the dealer for the bearings, and I tore apart to find that the jug would have been fine, so I gave it to another friend of mine, that helped me out with a lot of advice about the Stihl 044.
I did my own modification to the muffler, with the aid of the friend, that I gave the jug to. So I have basically a New chain saw for less than $500.00 CND.
I picked the chain saw up for $75.00. P & C kit for under $140.00, with shipping, Gasket Kit, for $45.00 with shipping, Main Bearings for around $65.00for both of them, plus a fuel line, new replacement rim and sprocket, and 5new chains. I can't remember the cost of the other parts, and the chains (got them from a couple of sellers on eBay).
Lots of power, speed, and weighs in at 16 1/2 Lbs. Bruce.
Bruce.

Cole · 12th August 2009, 06:42 PM

cheers for that info think ill stick to the 460 ive got a 441 which im currently selling due to that fact i think its a tad over rated and might get some mods for the 460. The local saw shops here get hit every two months or so. local compays get it every now and then.

Done it · 12th August 2009, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by windthrown

I never ran either an 024 or an 034. Only 026 and 036. I was thinking of getting an 024s to replace my 025, but lucked into the 026s on Craigslist. I guess the 024s is really about the same as an 026 though.

The 024s has the same specs as the 025, [from Stihl Aust, I have it here somewhere] and the 034AVS same as the 361.

Been going to sell my 024s I don't use it much, but it's a good little saw.

I've got an 034 & an 034AVS, big difference in power. The 034 was a good saw, big resale value here on ebay. I'd get more for it than I paid new the way they've been selling.

SawTroll · 12th August 2009, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by windthrown

Nice saws there, Bruce. I never ran either an 024 or an 034. Only 026 and 036.

My newer 026 has an open/empty muffler, while the older one is all choked up with internal muffler BS. I bought that one for $40 as a parts saw (scored P&C that I fixed). The rest were all good deals, but running saws with clean engines. I bought the 361 both near new (maybe 10 hours on each of them). I modified the 044 with the DP muffler. I sold off all the 1123 saws. I was thinking of getting an 024s to replace my 025, but lucked into the 026s on Craigslist. I guess the 024s is really about the same as an 026 though.

No point in getting a 024 when you have a 026 - you save no weight, but loose quite a bit of power with the 024....

Bruce Hopf · 13th August 2009, 03:25 AM

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Originally Posted by SawTroll

No point in getting a 024 when you have a 026 - you save no weight, but loose quite a bit of power with the 024....

I have both an 024, that I did the muffler modification on it myself, and the 026 is just stock. The 024 with the muffler modification has more power, and speed that the 026 has.
I had sold some tree tops to a cousin of mine, and a friend of his came and helped him cut them up. He was operating an 026 stock, so I handed him my 024, and he said the same thing. Lots more reeves, and power to the 024, than his 026.
I picked this 026 for a neighbour, and after he tried it out for a day, it wasn't for him, so I now have it. I got it from a dealer, so I'll be taking it back to him, or if someone here wishes to buy it, they can.
I got mine (guess I'm fussy,

) to fit in with my 0-4 plan. Looks (fussy thing again

) better to me, to see all my saws end with a 4 on the shelf (guess I'm a little ODD

, At least I admit it

). I just like them in order I guess. 044, 034, 024, and with 044, 034, 026, the 026 sticks out like a sore thumb.

. Just my opinion though. Bruce.

windthrown · 13th August 2009, 07:19 AM

My newer 026 has a lot of power, compared to the older one that is muffler clogged. The difference in the mufflers is amazing, really. The one has basically an empty shell for a muffler base and exhaust ports are open in the cover piece. The other one has a baffle in the inner part of the muffler, and the cover has a baffle as well. No comparison in power.

There are several models of each of the 024/026 saws (pro, non-pro, clear/solid gas tank, adjustible/fixed H jet carb, adjustible/fixed oilers, decomp/no decomp, choked up/open mufflers). There are also differences in the ages of the saws, with aluminum or composit top handles, and one or two bar nuts, etc. There are also differences in the engines between the models. This stuff is from my factory 026 Stihl shop manual and Stihl online (US and UK) for comparison. Note the drop in power for the new 260 compared to the 026, even with the larger engine. It compares to the 024s model. The 240 is about the same as the original 024 in power with pretty much the original engine (it is not sold here though).

024: 42cc, 42mm bore, 30mm stroke, power 2.85 bhp
024s: 44.3cc, 42mm bore, 32mm stroke, power 3.1 php
MS240: 41.6cc, 42mm bore, 30mm stroke, power 2.9 bhp
026: 48.7cc, 44mm bore, 32mm stroke, power 3.5 bhp
MS260: 50.2cc, 44.7mm bore, 32mm stroke, power 3.2 bhp

Bruce Hopf · 13th August 2009, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by windthrown

My newer 026 has a lot of power, compared to the older one that is muffler clogged. The difference in the mufflers is amazing, really. The one has basically an empty shell for a muffler base and exhaust ports are open in the cover piece. The other one has a baffle in the inner part of the muffler, and the cover has a baffle as well. No comparison in power.

There are several models of each of the 024/026 saws (pro, non-pro, clear/solid gas tank, adjustible/fixed H jet carb, adjustible/fixed oilers, decomp/no decomp, choked up/open mufflers). There are also differences in the ages of the saws, with aluminum or composit top handles, and one or two bar nuts, etc. There are also differences in the engines between the models. This stuff is from my factory 026 Stihl shop manual and Stihl online (US and UK) for comparison. Note the drop in power for the new 260 compared to the 026, even with the larger engine. It compares to the 024s model. The 240 is about the same as the original 024 in power with pretty much the original engine (it is not sold here though).

024: 42cc, 42mm bore, 30mm stroke, power 2.85 bhp
024s: 44.3cc, 42mm bore, 32mm stroke, power 3.1 php
MS240: 41.6cc, 42mm bore, 30mm stroke, power 2.9 bhp
026: 48.7cc, 44mm bore, 32mm stroke, power 3.5 bhp
MS260: 50.2cc, 44.7mm bore, 32mm stroke, power 3.2 bhp

Thanks for posting this information windthrown. I knew that there was different models to the 024, just like the 034. I got my 034, and I had to do a ring job in it, and there was Three different variations, to this saw. I had to get three different ring kits, to determine which one would fit. Bruce.

SawTroll · 13th August 2009, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by windthrown

....

024: 42cc, 42mm bore, 30mm stroke, power 2.85 bhp
024s: 44.3cc, 42mm bore, 32mm stroke, power 3.1 php
MS240: 41.6cc, 42mm bore, 30mm stroke, power 2.9 bhp
026: 48.7cc, 44mm bore, 32mm stroke, power 3.5 bhp
MS260: 50.2cc, 44.7mm bore, 32mm stroke, power 3.2 bhp

That looks correct, but not totally complete - I can add:

- The early US MS260s were as the 026 regarding those numbers, and outside the US the 44 mm version always was that way (3.5 hp).

- The 44.7 mm version is 3.5 hp as well, outside the US.

Bruce Hopf · 13th August 2009, 11:17 PM

I've Learned something new again.

Bruce.

windthrown · 14th August 2009, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by SawTroll

That looks correct, but not totally complete - I can add:

- The early US MS260s were as the 026 regarding those numbers, and outside the US the 44 mm version always was that way (3.5 hp).

- The 44.7 mm version is 3.5 hp as well, outside the US.

Yah, I bet the muffler is the choked up one that is on my older 026. I have a hunch that my older 026 muffler came from a newer 260 saw. Seems that you can gut them, or put on the earlier muffler and get that power back in the new US MS260. I will have to photograph the different 026 mufflers that I have.

Seems that they do not sell the non-PRO 260 here any more now either. Its not on the new web site listings in the US.

Bruce Hopf · 14th August 2009, 11:04 AM

I'll post some pictures of what the muffler looked like, before, and after I did the modification on it, for my 024. Bruce.

windthrown · 15th August 2009, 02:52 PM

Here are photos of my two 026 mufflers. From the outside the mufflers look identical. They both have spark screens and the same hole-drilled outer plate.

The first muffler is the choked up one on my older model 026 saw, with a full baffle at the exhaust port of the engine. It also has smaller exit holes in the cover plate, and they are perpendicular to the exhaust gasket.

The second muffler is the open one on my later model 026 with the composit handle. The muffler is stock and has not been modified. Note that there is no baffling at all in the inner body of the muffler and the cover plate holes are not only larger, but they are parallel to the exhaust gasket. Far less going on in this muffler, about like my 044.

Bruce Hopf · 15th August 2009, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by windthrown

Here are photos of my two 026 mufflers. From the outside the mufflers look identical. They both have spark screens and the same hole-drilled outer plate.

The first muffler is the choked up one on my older model 026 saw, with a full baffle at the exhaust port of the engine. It also has smaller exit holes in the cover plate, and they are perpendicular to the exhaust gasket.

The second muffler is the open one on my later model 026 with the composit handle. The muffler is stock and has not been modified. Note that there is no baffling at all in the inner body of the muffler and the cover plate holes are not only larger, but they are parallel to the exhaust gasket. Far less going on in this muffler, about like my 044.

What I did with my face plate for my 024, 034, and 044, was I gutted the face plates, put a patch over the hole, and I drilled holes in the top two corners of the face plate of my 044, and 034. I tore off the outside of the muffler face plate, on my 024, and I drilled a 5/16 hole in all four corners of the plate, once I patched the hole made by the factory. Made a Huge difference. I'll post some pictures of them later (Camera batteries dead again).
Both my 034, and 024, where like the yours with the Baffles in them. Bruce.

windthrown · 15th August 2009, 04:17 PM

My one opened up 026 muffler I will leave like it is. It seems to breathe just fine. The other 026 muffler needs to be gutted of the inner baffle, and the cover plate holes opened up. Dremel tool time. On my 044 I added a factory dual port muffler cover from an 046 and it runs great. The 361s... sigh. They are choked up badly. Damn things are crimped shut, so you cannot open them up easy, unlike the 044 or 026. Gaddamn EPA garbage.

Cole · 15th August 2009, 09:17 PM

hey guys does anyone know is there any mods for the 441 or any tips tricks on how to mod it

windthrown · 16th August 2009, 04:11 PM

I have no idea how to mod a strato saw, sorry. I almost bought a 441 the other day, but someone else beat me to it. So today I bought an 066! Damn CAD...

9th August 2009, 08:39 AM	#1
windthrown Former Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: In the Great Pacific Northwest Posts: 1,207	My Stihl MS 361s and Friends Here is a photo of my saw family. They are all working saws. From bottom left and up to the right: 026 early model with aluminum handle and 16" .325 Stihl E bar 026 later model with composit handle and clear tank, 16" 3/8 GB Pro blade 361 with 25" 3/8 Stihl ES bar Moving to the left top: 361 with 25" GB Pro blade (with full skip) Center: 044 DP modded, 3/4 wrap, dual dogs, 28" 3/8 Stihl ES bar I messed up the bars though. I should have made all the Stihl bars printing up, so that the saws were in proper alignment with the globe, with the GB Aussy bars being upside down to account for the gravity shuft up here in North America Attached Thumbnails

9th August 2009, 08:58 AM	#2
Bruce Hopf Veteran Heritage Status Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: North of Sebringville, Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,167	Re: My Stihl MS 361s and Friends Nice looking saws that you have there. Here is a few pictures of mine, that I work with now. In the background, there is a few McCulloch chain saws as well, that I only use for fun now and again. No serious more serious wood cutting with them any more, because of health reasons. The Stihl chain saws in the photos are an 044, 034, and 024, in size order, from smallest to biggest, to biggest to smallest. All these chain saws I got cheap, and I fixed them up. Bruce. Attached Thumbnails __________________ McCulloch chain saws 1- Pro Mac 60, 1- Pro Mac 700, 2- Mac 10-10 Automatic's, 2- Mini Mac 30's, 2- Mac 110's, 2- Mini Mac 35's, 1- Mac 140 with Automatic Chain Sharpener, 1- Pro Mac 10-10, 1- Mac Cat, 2- Eager Beaver 2.0's, 1- Mac 1-10 Stihl chain saws 2- 044's, 2- 034's, 2- 024's, 1- 064, 1- 084, Strunk chain saws 1- Busy Beaver, 1- SpeeDemon Special Stand Back, I Have A Very Extreme Case of CAD (Chain Saw Addiction Disorder).

11th August 2009, 04:11 PM	#3
windthrown Former Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: In the Great Pacific Northwest Posts: 1,207	Re: My Stihl MS 361s and Friends Nice saws there, Bruce. I never ran either an 024 or an 034. Only 026 and 036. My newer 026 has an open/empty muffler, while the older one is all choked up with internal muffler BS. I bought that one for $40 as a parts saw (scored P&C that I fixed). The rest were all good deals, but running saws with clean engines. I bought the 361 both near new (maybe 10 hours on each of them). I modified the 044 with the DP muffler. I sold off all the 1123 saws. I was thinking of getting an 024s to replace my 025, but lucked into the 026s on Craigslist. I guess the 024s is really about the same as an 026 though.

11th August 2009, 05:27 PM	#4
Cole Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Canberra Posts: 214	Re: My Stihl MS 361s and Friends hi windthrow staying thirsty is the name of the game haha... just wanted to know if you had any feed back about the stihl ms650b and about the mods on your 460 as ive seen a few muffler mods etc avaliable. sthil dont import this ms650 saw into australia.... reason im asking is the chainsaw theives cleaned me out last friday.. i could go on for hours about it but what do you do im sure its not just a problem here in australia either. cheers

11th August 2009, 06:43 PM	#5
Therrin Former Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Bakersfield, Ca Posts: 2,497	Re: My Stihl MS 361s and Friends Cole, Stihl may not import the ms650 into Aus. But if I can get my hands on one, then I would. Nice saws guys. I'll have to take a pic of all my stihls sometime. 361, 028, 011, 200T

11th August 2009, 08:54 PM	#6
Cole Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Canberra Posts: 214	Re: My Stihl MS 361s and Friends ok kool ill definetly look into it then im a i weigh 69 kg or 152 pounds i have two diffrent bars for my 460 as i prefer it to using my 66 or 88 only when the application demands its use

11th August 2009, 11:24 PM	#7
Bruce Hopf Veteran Heritage Status Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: North of Sebringville, Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,167	Re: My Stihl MS 361s and Friends Cole, that really Sucks Man. Sorry to hear about this. I can remember years back, when I was a kid, my Dad had his own Plumbing, and Heating Business, one of his customers was cutting fire wood in his bush. They had stopped cutting and left the bush for lunch, without taking the chain saws with them. While they were gone, they figure some hunters came along, seen the chain saws, and walked off with them. After that when we stopped for lunch, we would hide the chain saws somewhere in the bush, that way nobody would find them, or see them. But that was still a risk to take. Once again, sorry about your luck. Bruce. __________________ McCulloch chain saws 1- Pro Mac 60, 1- Pro Mac 700, 2- Mac 10-10 Automatic's, 2- Mini Mac 30's, 2- Mac 110's, 2- Mini Mac 35's, 1- Mac 140 with Automatic Chain Sharpener, 1- Pro Mac 10-10, 1- Mac Cat, 2- Eager Beaver 2.0's, 1- Mac 1-10 Stihl chain saws 2- 044's, 2- 034's, 2- 024's, 1- 064, 1- 084, Strunk chain saws 1- Busy Beaver, 1- SpeeDemon Special Stand Back, I Have A Very Extreme Case of CAD (Chain Saw Addiction Disorder).

12th August 2009, 05:29 AM	#8
Therrin Former Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Bakersfield, Ca Posts: 2,497	Re: My Stihl MS 361s and Friends Cole, Looks like the MSRP is about $939.95US for a new saw. That's from a place about 10 miles from me here in Bakersfield, Ca. Last time I shipped a 200T to AUS it cost about $80. So something that size should cost a little bit more. I ship them powerhead only, without the bar/chain. That also qualifies them as "chainsaw parts" since it isnt a complete saw, and forgoes the legalities of shipping new, complete saws into AUS.

12th August 2009, 05:47 PM	#11
Bruce Hopf Veteran Heritage Status Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: North of Sebringville, Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,167	Re: My Stihl MS 361s and Friends Here is some pictures of my 044. When I bought this saw, it had a seized piston. Piston was broken on one of the sides, and chunks of it where in the crank case. Without taking the saw apart to see what it really needed, I purchased a piston and cylinder kit from a guy on eBay, and a friend from AS, had a gasket, and seal kit, a carburetor repair kit, that I bought from him. I went to the dealer for the bearings, and I tore apart to find that the jug would have been fine, so I gave it to another friend of mine, that helped me out with a lot of advice about the Stihl 044. I did my own modification to the muffler, with the aid of the friend, that I gave the jug to. So I have basically a New chain saw for less than $500.00 CND. I picked the chain saw up for $75.00. P & C kit for under $140.00, with shipping, Gasket Kit, for $45.00 with shipping, Main Bearings for around $65.00for both of them, plus a fuel line, new replacement rim and sprocket, and 5new chains. I can't remember the cost of the other parts, and the chains (got them from a couple of sellers on eBay). Lots of power, speed, and weighs in at 16 1/2 Lbs. Bruce. Bruce. Attached Thumbnails __________________ McCulloch chain saws 1- Pro Mac 60, 1- Pro Mac 700, 2- Mac 10-10 Automatic's, 2- Mini Mac 30's, 2- Mac 110's, 2- Mini Mac 35's, 1- Mac 140 with Automatic Chain Sharpener, 1- Pro Mac 10-10, 1- Mac Cat, 2- Eager Beaver 2.0's, 1- Mac 1-10 Stihl chain saws 2- 044's, 2- 034's, 2- 024's, 1- 064, 1- 084, Strunk chain saws 1- Busy Beaver, 1- SpeeDemon Special Stand Back, I Have A Very Extreme Case of CAD (Chain Saw Addiction Disorder).

12th August 2009, 06:42 PM	#12
Cole Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Canberra Posts: 214	Re: My Stihl MS 361s and Friends cheers for that info think ill stick to the 460 ive got a 441 which im currently selling due to that fact i think its a tad over rated and might get some mods for the 460. The local saw shops here get hit every two months or so. local compays get it every now and then.

13th August 2009, 07:19 AM	#16
windthrown Former Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: In the Great Pacific Northwest Posts: 1,207	Re: My Stihl MS 361s and Friends My newer 026 has a lot of power, compared to the older one that is muffler clogged. The difference in the mufflers is amazing, really. The one has basically an empty shell for a muffler base and exhaust ports are open in the cover piece. The other one has a baffle in the inner part of the muffler, and the cover has a baffle as well. No comparison in power. There are several models of each of the 024/026 saws (pro, non-pro, clear/solid gas tank, adjustible/fixed H jet carb, adjustible/fixed oilers, decomp/no decomp, choked up/open mufflers). There are also differences in the ages of the saws, with aluminum or composit top handles, and one or two bar nuts, etc. There are also differences in the engines between the models. This stuff is from my factory 026 Stihl shop manual and Stihl online (US and UK) for comparison. Note the drop in power for the new 260 compared to the 026, even with the larger engine. It compares to the 024s model. The 240 is about the same as the original 024 in power with pretty much the original engine (it is not sold here though). 024: 42cc, 42mm bore, 30mm stroke, power 2.85 bhp 024s: 44.3cc, 42mm bore, 32mm stroke, power 3.1 php MS240: 41.6cc, 42mm bore, 30mm stroke, power 2.9 bhp 026: 48.7cc, 44mm bore, 32mm stroke, power 3.5 bhp MS260: 50.2cc, 44.7mm bore, 32mm stroke, power 3.2 bhp

13th August 2009, 11:17 PM	#19
Bruce Hopf Veteran Heritage Status Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: North of Sebringville, Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,167	Re: My Stihl MS 361s and Friends I've Learned something new again. Bruce. __________________ McCulloch chain saws 1- Pro Mac 60, 1- Pro Mac 700, 2- Mac 10-10 Automatic's, 2- Mini Mac 30's, 2- Mac 110's, 2- Mini Mac 35's, 1- Mac 140 with Automatic Chain Sharpener, 1- Pro Mac 10-10, 1- Mac Cat, 2- Eager Beaver 2.0's, 1- Mac 1-10 Stihl chain saws 2- 044's, 2- 034's, 2- 024's, 1- 064, 1- 084, Strunk chain saws 1- Busy Beaver, 1- SpeeDemon Special Stand Back, I Have A Very Extreme Case of CAD (Chain Saw Addiction Disorder).

14th August 2009, 11:04 AM	#21
Bruce Hopf Veteran Heritage Status Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: North of Sebringville, Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,167	Re: My Stihl MS 361s and Friends I'll post some pictures of what the muffler looked like, before, and after I did the modification on it, for my 024. Bruce. __________________ McCulloch chain saws 1- Pro Mac 60, 1- Pro Mac 700, 2- Mac 10-10 Automatic's, 2- Mini Mac 30's, 2- Mac 110's, 2- Mini Mac 35's, 1- Mac 140 with Automatic Chain Sharpener, 1- Pro Mac 10-10, 1- Mac Cat, 2- Eager Beaver 2.0's, 1- Mac 1-10 Stihl chain saws 2- 044's, 2- 034's, 2- 024's, 1- 064, 1- 084, Strunk chain saws 1- Busy Beaver, 1- SpeeDemon Special Stand Back, I Have A Very Extreme Case of CAD (Chain Saw Addiction Disorder).

15th August 2009, 02:52 PM	#22
windthrown Former Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: In the Great Pacific Northwest Posts: 1,207	026 muffler differences and photos Here are photos of my two 026 mufflers. From the outside the mufflers look identical. They both have spark screens and the same hole-drilled outer plate. The first muffler is the choked up one on my older model 026 saw, with a full baffle at the exhaust port of the engine. It also has smaller exit holes in the cover plate, and they are perpendicular to the exhaust gasket. The second muffler is the open one on my later model 026 with the composit handle. The muffler is stock and has not been modified. Note that there is no baffling at all in the inner body of the muffler and the cover plate holes are not only larger, but they are parallel to the exhaust gasket. Far less going on in this muffler, about like my 044. Attached Thumbnails

15th August 2009, 04:17 PM	#24
windthrown Former Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: In the Great Pacific Northwest Posts: 1,207	Re: My Stihl MS 361s and Friends My one opened up 026 muffler I will leave like it is. It seems to breathe just fine. The other 026 muffler needs to be gutted of the inner baffle, and the cover plate holes opened up. Dremel tool time. On my 044 I added a factory dual port muffler cover from an 046 and it runs great. The 361s... sigh. They are choked up badly. Damn things are crimped shut, so you cannot open them up easy, unlike the 044 or 026. Gaddamn EPA garbage.

15th August 2009, 09:17 PM	#25
Cole Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Canberra Posts: 214	Re: My Stihl MS 361s and Friends hey guys does anyone know is there any mods for the 441 or any tips tricks on how to mod it

16th August 2009, 04:11 PM	#26
windthrown Former Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: In the Great Pacific Northwest Posts: 1,207	Re: My Stihl MS 361s and Friends I have no idea how to mod a strato saw, sorry. I almost bought a 441 the other day, but someone else beat me to it. So today I bought an 066! Damn CAD...

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