GB "Titanium" bars

jim1nz

Ha GB "Titanium" bars...

What do they have like 0.001% Titanium or what?

Does anyone know? Are they any lighter? Last longer?

I have a 20" and 28" GB, sure it seems good but i dont know about the Titanium part besides, its far too cheap to be Titanium...

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newguy18

Could be worse,could be stihl bars.

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Here's a link for you Jim, where they are talking about GB bars.

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TrevMcRev

I've got a GB Titanium Double Ended Dild.... I mean Milling Bar

Cant really compare it to anything else to know if its lighter or lasts longer though, and dont know any specs on the make up of them either....

I suppose it doesn't feel that heavy for its size.

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rick

The GB Ti bars are made from Bisalloy's Bisplate 500, a low-medium carbon, chrome/moly tool steel designed initially for the mining industry here in Australia.

I think you'll find the Titanium part comes from the rails having some type of TiNi coating to extend their life. There is no titanium in the base alloy.
I have a basic spec sheet of Bisplate 500 if anyone is really interested.

Garry Brockley

New guy there was a post a while back stating that stihl use oregon to produce their bars and re name them so if you use oregon you should like stihl its the same bar

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newguy18

I doubt it,i have Oregon bars from about a year ago,i burn through stihl bars like i smoke cigarettes.

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rick

Naa, here in Oz Stihl use, or used to use GB.

For OS markets Stihl bars are made in Germany by Stihl. (although some of the small ones might be made in the US, and I think their carving bars might be Tsumura from Japan)

Drouin Tree Service

Carlton bars smoke the lot of them..

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rick

Which ones ?

The Japanese Tsumura 'Carlton' (my favourite) or the German (never found out who makes them) ones ? or perhaps the older Oz made GB made ones ?

Eric Frei

Stihl rollomatic ES for me.

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jim1nz

Interesting rick cheers.

I have run all sorts of different bars and never had a problem with any of them. Although while i was production thinning at home, i had small chips chip off the tip of my stihl 20'' bar, i did thrash the hell out of it.

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metzler

stihl bars are the balls, they are made in germany with high quality steel, (or us) and aside from the fact they might need to be rolled and re profiled (maybe twice a year), they last for ever, unlles your cutting dirt and rocks of course!

windthrown

I use and prefer GB Pro Top and Stihl ES bars. Solid bars with replacable noses. 16 inch through 28 inch, all 3/8" std. They are better than other bars I have used (Oregon, Forester, and Stihl E type laminated). I give the slight edge to GB for flatter shape (less oval than ES) and being able to bend them right back into place. They also have grease holes in the nose and 45 degree oil ports. Small stuff that makes a difference.

rick

Laurie/rooshooter and Matt/MCW on AS use a lot of the GB bars, both the Pro Top and the Ti CN40 ones and really rate them.

I mentioned to Matt about the Carlton/Tsumura Premium Sprocket nosed bars and he ordered some for stock and reckons they are the best finished bars he's ever handled.
I've also read very positive reviews from NA too as they sell there under Cutters Choice 'Laser Forestry Pro' bars and Tilton's 'Total Super Pro' bars brands.
Tsumura also use two sprocket nose rail sizes to suit the three different drive gauges, 0.058" and 0.063".
Supposedly, so the theory goes, this stabilises the chain better at the nose on the smaller drive gauge sizes compared to Stihl, GB and Oregon's one size fits all approach.

Jak Max stocks here in Australia of the Japanese Carlton/Tsumura bars are limited to 20" and under these days, the longer Carlton bars are German made with a single rivet tip replaceable nose the same pattern as Oregon's replaceable nose bar. I have no idea who the German manufacturer is.

BTW, industry scuttlebut is that since the sale of GB to Direct Agencies only the harvester bars are still being made here, although there is still good stocks of the Oz made Pro Top and Ti bars available. Production is supposedly moving offshore, but it could all be rumour too....

Eric Frei

OK OK, here's a quicky.

Stihl no longer make the Rollomatic ES 18" bar, 3/8, 0.063" guage, 66 links for a MS440/MS460.

I switched to some Oregon thing, anyway.

What GB bar should I get from where to try (here in Aus and a link please), I need a tough assed bar coz this is the palm slayer saw!

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quietrangr

The grease holes in the nose I can do without. I really used to hate those ones that said "grease hourly," because I had to get up so many times to grease in the night.

OK, but seriously, the 45 degree holes really make a difference for not plugging. Do the GBs come for Stihl in 18 inch pro bar for a 361? And where can you get them in the US?

stihlman441

Here is two places you can get um from.

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Keith
02 6336 5270
or
Laurie
Chainsaw Supply & Logging Services
0413392960
0262993328
Home ?(Sawchain Supply Queanbeyan)?

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windthrown

Grease hourly? I grease them once a day if they are being used.

Yes, they make a large format Stihl mount bar in 16", 18", 20", 25" inch, etc. I have a 16" and a 25" GB Pro Top in 0.050 3/8 size. They fit the 290/310/390 and 260/360/361/440/460 saws. I dunno where to get them. I got mine from Scott Wojo in a one time mail order deal on AS that was great for us, but bad for him becasue the other dealers turned him into his US GB distributor, and they jacked up his price. They also whined about his selling the bars cheap on AS. I have seen them at some better saw shops here in Oregon though.

Drouin Tree Service

Get a carlton premium tip

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rick

Sorry Ek, only just back in.

As stihlman441 mentioned and linked, or Matt at Riverlands Sawchain Supply, but Matt is in Sth Oz. Laurie runs GB bars exclusively, there's a pic of him recently on AS cutting up a Red Gum with a 72" bar on his 880 that Matt or BobL posted.
Matt runs a number of GB bars too.

Or get a Carlton Premium Sprocket Tip from any of your local Jak Max distributors. The Carlton/Tsumura bar is bloody nice, and they are well priced ATM.

stihlman441

This Jak Max,do they sell to the public ?.

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rick

Nope, Jak Max are like GB, GA Spares, etc, a wholesaler to the trade.
Jak Max are the official Carlton importers for Australia and so sell their bars as well as chain, etc, GB have lost the right to re-package Carlton chain and re-sell it.
IIRC 20" bars and under in stock here are Tsumura (Japanese), over 20" are German made with a single rivet nose.
Both are a polished finish with clearcoat, not painted or powder coated.

FWIW, Jak Max was started by an ex GB director.

Drouin Tree Service

I wony buy anything from jak max after the courts findings,Just a personal opinion.

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rick

It didn't look good either way, if you read the entire ruling, but I do understand.
The case also brought GB undone, which is a shame. They are now owned by Direct Agencies, and as I said further up, scuttlebut is that most bar manufacturing is moving offshore, which is a double blow if true.
GB are apparently coming out with new chain soon too, (as their Carlton supplies are drying up) and it'll be interesting to see whether it's made here or Asia.

SawTroll

That is only true with 20" and shorter bars in Canada + a few "emergency" cases, as far as I know.

They are easy to spot, as they have grease holes for the nose sprocket, unlike the true Stihl bars.

Bruce Hopf

I grease my sprocket noses every second fill up. I'm already filling the chain saw up with gas/oil mix, and bar oil. a few squirts with the grease gun for the sprocket, and I'm good to go again. Some times I forget to grease the sprocket, so when I fill the next time, I do it then. A little extra grease for lubrication, goes a long way. Just my opinion though. Bruce.

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jim1nz

So do you guys really think greasing the bar tip make much difference? That is in terms of bar longevity. Why dont all bars have a grease-able tip if thats the case?

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rick

As to a difference in life between the two 'methods' but you can flip that last sentence to "why does every bar manufacturer except Stihl have greasable tips ?"

Eric Frei

Having run both greasable tips and non greasable tips on my 440 cutting palms I can say the non greasable tips lasted longer ...

Now I'm running an 18" Oregon bar .... non greasable tip too.

I'd prefer to buy non greasable from my experience.

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