GB "Titanium" bars

SawTroll

.063 is all they offer in 3/8" here......

.325 is .058 or .063, depending on length (.063 from 16" and up).


Everything else is special order, and takes a long time to get (and a higher price).

windthrown

Here its all 0.050 in 3/8, and 0.063 in .325. Ask for 0.058 and they will stare at you like a fish out of water, glassy eyed and saying "What was that?" Or they just ignore you and give you 0.050. I once went on a mission to find some .325 NK, and got all kinds of strange answers. One guy tried to sell me the baby 3/8 picco in 0.043 as NK chain.

Maybe Eric can get his 0.063 3/8 bars from Europe? Or flip to GB (if they are truely ramping up production there in Oz again).

stihlman441

Here is two places you can get um from.

Centrephone Services
Keith
02 6336 5270
or
Laurie
Chainsaw Supply & Logging Services
0413392960
0262993328
Home ?(Sawchain Supply Queanbeyan)?

rick

Ekk, I can recommend Matt from Riverland Sawchain Supply in Sth Oz too.

mobile 0438 813 459
ph/fax 08 8583 1006
email I can PM you if you need it

Great bloke, not sure of his GB Stihl stocks ATM but he has a bit on hand and can get the German made Carlton bars easily.
These are brush polished, clearcoated with a single rivet Oregon style nose.
As I've posted above, 20" and under are Japanese Tsumura, (fantastic quality) over 20" are German. (i'm hoping every bit as good as the Japanese ones)
Matt is getting me a 30" or 32" next week in lg Husky mount for my 7900, and I'll probably get a 24" too.

rick

Bruce, all the Laser stuff AFAIK is Carlton re-branded, including the bars.
The bars used to be made by Tsumura and as with Carlton, over 20" is now German made.
I tried to get some Laser forestry Pro/Tsumura bars from Cutters Choice but they refuse to ship outside NA.

Bruce Hopf

Pretty much goes with Tecomec (which I have one), and Oregon bench chain grinders as well. They are both made out of the same factory, in Italy. One is painted Orange, and the other on is Red.
Never knew that Laser, and Carlton was made in the same factory. Thanks for letting me know. Learned something new today. . Bruce.

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rick

Yep, and the Oregon, Jak Max and Tecomec/Precision Tooling spinners and breakers are all the same, made in Italy, as too the Oregon Precision chain filing jig that clamps on the bar. The old (pre 2000 I think) Oregon breakers and spinners were Herr Tooling US ones.
My Oregon bar dresser is made by Vallorbe, as are Stihl chain files and I think Oregon too.

Bruce Hopf

At one time, wasn't the factory in Italy, called Eff co, or did they make grinders for Eff co? Thanks again. Bruce.

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1- Pro Mac 60, 1- Pro Mac 700, 2- Mac 10-10 Automatic's, 2- Mini Mac 30's, 2- Mac 110's,
2- Mini Mac 35's, 1- Mac 140 with Automatic Chain Sharpener,
1- Pro Mac 10-10, 1- Mac Cat, 2- Eager Beaver
2.0's, 1- Mac 1-10
Stihl chain saws
2- 044's, 2- 034's, 2- 024's, 1- 064, 1- 084,
Strunk chain saws
1- Busy Beaver, 1- SpeeDemon Special
Stand Back, I Have A Very Extreme Case of CAD (Chain Saw Addiction Disorder).

rick

AFAIK Efco pre-dated Tecomec but whether that was the Co name or just a re-badge i don't know.

SawTroll

Actually, it is NK chain, as defined by Oregon - but not .325NK of course......

SawTroll

Efco saws are the same saws as Oleo-Mac - and used to be rebranded as John Deere as well, not too long ago.
They also once were sold as Olympyc (etc) in the US.

The parent company is Emak.

Bruce Hopf

I didn't know that. See I have learned something else. .
I frequent a small engine repair shop, and up in the attic of this shop, there is a tonne of chain saws, that are for parts, and a lot of them are still complete. There is Oleo-Mac, and Olympyk as well. The older stuff, of these chain saws. Bruce.

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McCulloch chain saws
1- Pro Mac 60, 1- Pro Mac 700, 2- Mac 10-10 Automatic's, 2- Mini Mac 30's, 2- Mac 110's,
2- Mini Mac 35's, 1- Mac 140 with Automatic Chain Sharpener,
1- Pro Mac 10-10, 1- Mac Cat, 2- Eager Beaver
2.0's, 1- Mac 1-10
Stihl chain saws
2- 044's, 2- 034's, 2- 024's, 1- 064, 1- 084,
Strunk chain saws
1- Busy Beaver, 1- SpeeDemon Special
Stand Back, I Have A Very Extreme Case of CAD (Chain Saw Addiction Disorder).

windthrown

Yah yah... but I wanted .325 NK. Seems that stuff does not exist any more. At least not for Stihl in small or large format bars. I have been running my 026s with 3/8 and .325 16" bars and chains. The 3/8 has more grab, and can bog easier, but it cuts faster if I get it right. The .325 is more consistant, has more cutters per inch, but the cut times are no better. I have been testing them cutting wafers off of a holly log.

SawTroll

I know....

And sadly, you are right regarding NK bars for Stihl.....
Stihl never offered it themselves, and eventually Oregon and Carlton quit making them as well (at last they had the last time I looked).

rick

Just bringing this back to the top as some of you may not have seen the post on AS last week so I'll post them here without comment.
These docs were passed on to me on the 2/9

Attached Files

	GB 4pp bar range A3 lres x.pdf (1.35 MB, 202 views)
	GB Introductory letter - Sept 2009.doc (102.5 KB, 73 views)

olyman

all olys have 058 bars from the factory--except 3/8 ep, unless someone changed it---there a quite a few hsukys that use 058 chain also--and a lot of johnnys used to

olyman

first-oleo-mac, then olympic, then olympik, then olympyk--seems the azzes overseas thought they were stealing the olympic committes name!!!!! idiots!! now its efco--which is too damn close to echo-----and they DEF aint the same!!!! olyman

Eric Frei

So they sold out the Aussies and went to China.

Just great, but sure they'll take your Aussie dollars for the bars and your jobs.

Time to research other products made by people who have environmental policies, superannuation, work cover, dont put toxins in paint, childrens toys, milk and clothing and aren't trying to buy up Australia's mining industry or jail our foreign corporate managers.

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Nebula

Well said

rick

I know, I can't let this go.....
Check the part #'s out.

Hangzhou Qirui Tools Co.,Ltd >> Information >> Qirui company has joined venture with GB company.

GB bar nose >> Bar nose >> Qirui Products >> Hangzhou Qirui Tools Co.,Ltd

GB Bar Tip jpg

MCW

Pretty disturbing stuff Rick. Particularly when you can find Windsor Speed Tip nose sprockets on there. Makes you wonder just how many companies are selling out and outsourcing all but the bar stock to China?

In saying that I have a few replacement sprocket noses in stock made in Taiwan - seem pretty high quality with good bearings. I've run one on a 32" Power Match Plus bar since May on my 3120 and it is holding up well.

Soon they'll have to label bars "Made in the (insert your country here) from local and imported ingredients"

rick

Second big belly laugh this morning Matt in what's been a pretty sad week here

windthrown

Buy up the Stihl ES bars while they are stihl not Chicom crap. Soon they will all be made in China. China will also own the USA, so anything made in the USA will also be made in China.

sabtrader

I'm in the market to replace some guide bars so doing some research. You can't beat users who have used and worn out bars in the field. salesmen always say yes theirs is the best.

We went metric here in oz when i was 10 yrs old so i'm comfortable with metrics and imp. but it still amazes me how many ozzies are more comfortable with feet and inches.

common bar grooves are:
0.050" = 1.3mm
0.058 = 1.5mm
0.063" = 1.6mm

Stihl chain has a 3,5 or 6 stamped on it to show it's size in mm. love that.
the last 2 digits of husky saws is the engine size in cc. love that too.
and my 372XP also has 72 DL on a 20" chain.

If you're bar gets grooved and you don't dress it then the outside will chip and you'll be up for a new one soon so dress it occasionally. Cutting with a new bar feels just as good as cutting with a new chain imho.

I don't know if this is true but i have just started buying carlton chain and someone told me it is very hard and will wear my bars. is this true? I'm wondering if i should stick to carlton bars since i'm using carlton chain.

Has anyone tried both the GB pro top bar and the GB Titanium bar?
in 20" and 25"
My other consideration is a powermatch bar.

steve .

MCW

Carlton chain does tend to wear better in my experience but as far as wearing bars out faster that's not the case at all and that theory probably came from a Stihl shop
Both the GB bars you mention are excellent (I use both) but watch for new stock as they'll be made in China, not Australia.
The Oregon Powermatch bars are also excellent, just like basically all Pro type solid bars. The new Carlton bars are simply rebadged Oregon Power Match Plus bars.
Hope that helps.
Matt

rick

Not true.

BobL, famous on a few forums has hardness tested Carlton, Stihl and Oregon Semi chisel chain a little while back and found the Carlton and Stihl chain were within an acceptable margin of tolerance of each other (the Carlton slightly outpointing the Stihl) with the Oregon chain a few points softer, so nothing really in it.
The new LGX Oregon chain might be a touch harder than that tested by Bob, or have better chrome plating as those that are using it seem to really like it.

Carlton bars have always been re-branded something else. ATM in Australia, 20" (sorry, 508mm ) Carlton bars are re-branded Tsumura which are bloody brilliant bars.
Over 20" were a German made, Oregon pattern bar, but the new ones coming through are Oregon Power Match Plus bars painted as Carlton.
Blount, who have owned Oregon for many years now own Carlton and Windsor. (IIRC Windsor chain production has been switched to the Carlton plant)

Contact MCW above, Matt has used a lot of different bars and chain, has dropped a lot of trees and can give you the heads up on what works.

KiwiBro

Agreed.
I note if anyone is using .404" x .063", baileys have pretty good closeout special on the sprocket tips (under $6) here .

Drouin Tree Service

Thanks i just brought 4 carlton bars at $29 EA

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KiwiBro

Pretty good exchange rates at the mo' for us Southerners too. The phrase for today, class, is "quantitative easing". Keep up the good work, USA

Drouin Tree Service

waiting for the AUD to go over $1 USD and ill be buying quite a few sets of chipper knives

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