GB "Titanium" bars

Bruce Hopf

As darren over at as told me, I was selling Chain Saws, without being a sponsor. I informed him, that those chain saws that I found where non running chain saws, and that I was trying to pick up a few chain saws for members of as, so that they could fix them up themselves, and that they were responsible to pay the owner of the small engine repair shop, and to pay for the shipping costs, to get the chain saws to the people who wanted a particular make, and model of chain saw.
Still I was accused of selling chain saws, so that was why I was banned over there. I was doing others a favor, trying to find what they were looking for. Also, the sponsors of as, that sold parts for chain saws, lost out on money that they would have made, by those members buying the chain saws, and having me pick them up, and ship the chain saws to them. Well that is the just of it. Bruce.

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stihlman441

Ok i got my GB bars in the post on friday a 18'' and 25'' Titaniums,3/8 .063.

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windthrown

Why 0.063? Is that the more common size there? I have several 0.063 bars and that chain is a lot harder to find around here. 0.050 is much easier to find.

Funny that bar sizes are still in English measure. Will metric ever become the bar standard?

newguy18

So are granberg bars relly any good?if so i'd like to find 2 16" .325 pitch 66 drive link for my 2 climbing saws,a 51 husky and a 141 husky i rebuilt and converted to .325 pitch.

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rick

0.063" is the default standard for Stihl here, 0.058" for Husky and the others.
I have one 20" 0.050" bar and it's harder to get that gauge chain as easily, so I'm going 0.058" on everything from now on.

rick

Methinks you are getting your manufacturers mixed up.
The GB we speak of is Griffiths and Beerens, now known as GB Direct since being bought out last year.
Yes, some of their stuff has an excellent reputation. The Ti bars have a reputation of being as tough as nails that can be straightened without breaking.

windthrown

0.058? Wow, I have never seen a bar or chain with that gauge. I am converting to all 0.050 3/8 standard B&C and rims. That way I have bars and chains of different sizes and type (chisel, semi-chisel, skip, etc.) that will interchange on all my saws. I may keep one 16 inch .325 bar for my 026, as I have 3 chains for it. I did a 1:1 comparison of my 16 inch standard 3/8" GB Pro Top bar and chain vs. 16 inch .325 Stihl E bar and chain today, and I really could not tell the difference cutting a 14 inch log. Same saw driving both bars.

As for GB being any good, I like the GB Pro Top bars. I bent the crap out of my 25 inch Pro Top (pinched in a tree). I bent it right back, and you cannot even tell where the bend was at all. I also like the fact that GB bars are flatter with less oval shape than the Stihl bars. And I like the nose sprocket grease holes. I had a nose sprocket delaminate on me on an Oregon bar that did not have grease holes, and the new Oregon replacement bar had them.

stihlman441

.063 is standard over here with Stihl anyway,all my chains except on the 260 are 3/8 .063 it makes it easyer just have one chain for all.Reasontly i have been trying Carlton A3 EP and LP so far i cant folt them,Stihl is to dear plus hard to get skip tooth as well.I think i am going to buy some rolls of the Carton and just use that.

Eric Frei

Windthrown,

Are you sure coz the 200T runs 0.050 guage 3/8 pitch (picco chain) and I cannot see say a ms460 running that piss weak chain in a euc on a 20" bar etc.

At what engine or bar size to you "hop out of" using 0.050" guage?

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rick

Ekka, 0.050" gauge 3/8" chain is the default gauge on the US west coast.
It's just 0.058" with a step in the drive link down to 0.050".

We had an argument on AS once about this, kerf, etc. I'll dig up the pics.

rick

Here's a pic of some Stihl RSC I have.
Drive link is stepped from 0.063"/1.6mm at the cutter to 0.050"/1.3mm at the drive dog.



and some Carlton AE1P which is stepped from 0.058" to 0.050". You can see the transition line just above the A1 on each link (if you can see past the oil...)

Eric Frei

Spose when you cut balsa then it's OK.

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TrevMcRev

Yeah i brought a 361 in from the US & it had that dinky .050 bar n chain on it.

Just wore that 1st chain out & swapped it to .063

windthrown

I am talking about STANDARD 3/8 chain here, not 3/8 PICCO. Way different beast. 3/8 standard chain is beefy stuff. I ran picco on my 1123 saws, and that works great on smaller saws. Thin kerf beats the fat kerf of .325 (which can only be had in 0.063 size here as well). My milling buddies also use picco for chainsaw mills, even on a 460. Reason being that the picco kerf is narrow. Less kerf, and hence less energy to cut boards, and milling has controlled conditions.

I run (and have run) 0.050 3/8 standard chain on all my larger saws, up to a 460. It is not gonna 'wallaby out' of anything. I have cut down 4 foot DBH trees, using 28 inch bars. We also have hardwood trees here, though no one seems to believe it. There have been huge debates about 0.050 vs 0.063 over on AS. Bar rail width vs. chain drive width. They are all moot. Other than the driver width, the chain is exactly the same. I have 3/8 standard bars and chains in both gauges. No difference there, mate. The real reason that they have these rail gauge differences is that in the old days they started out with narrow gauge bars, and over time widened them out as they wore and used fatter gauge chain. They started with 0.050 and went to 0.058, then to 0.063. Its like railroad gauges being set to the width of Roman chariot horses; technology has a base someplace, and sometimes it makes no sence in the end.

Bottom line, I have 0.050 3/8 std. bars and chains from 16 inch through 28 inch. I have semi and full chisel, skip, and full comp. I use them on my 026s, 361s, and my modded 044 that will outcut a 460. No wallabys.

Oy, and hey, if you want to dispose of all that 0.050 3/8 std. dinky bar and chain stuff there, send them to me. That is about all we use here in the west US. We must have little dinky trees to cut down. World's tallest and largest types actually, including maybe 100 types of eucs. But then again, what do we know?

windthrown

That's bullshit there, Bubba.

Willard Holmen

I have to add, I use 3/8 .050 Oregon sawchain on on my Yamaha bikesaw with its shortest 20" bar. [.063 with its 30" bar.] I have never broke its .050 chain on this competition saw and it puts out over 40 h.p. I even lighten up this .050 chain by grinding off parts of the cutters to allow better chip clearance and flow.

Stihl 3/8 sawchain [33 RS] is .050 at the bar rails but is .063 between the straps. Oregon 3/8 [72 LP,LG, and X] is .050 at the bar rails but is .058 between the straps,nothing new has been like this for well over 30 years.
I have never had a .063 chain drive link fit in a worn out .050 bar. I have run .058 chain in a worn out .050 bar only after spreading the rails tight spots with a hammer and scrench.

rick

I'd say it is in Europe, both gauge and length, but as you say it's funny the English speaking world, even the metric parts like Canada and here still quote and talk Imperial measures for bars and chain.
Probably as most of our chain comes from the US (Stihl excluded)

Saw chains - Catalogue - STIHL

Willard Holmen

Imperial measure was replaced by metric here in Canada in the 1970s, at my age [51] I sure miss it. The lumber we produce in Canada [90% is exported to the United States] is still in feet and inches. Even the teen agers here who are entirely taught in metric still say their height in feet and inches and weight in pounds, never in metric terms. Or waist and inseam sizes in inches,etc etc. So after 30 plus years old imperial is still hanging in here.
When did Australia and NZ convert to metric?

Bruce Hopf

When I used to drive transport truck, the biggest majority of my driving was in the US. A lot of the documents from Canadian shippers were in Pounds, not Kilo Grams.
But when I used to go across the Canadian DOT scales, they were in Kilo Grams (what I called French) , and I used to and convert the gross weight of the truck into Pounds (what I called English) , that way I had a rough idea what my truck weighed for crossing the boarder, into the US, without paying to have my truck weighed at a Truck Stop.
Even a lot of trucking companies that I worked for, wanted the Kilo Meters into Miles, for the paper work, and that is how I was paid, by the Mile.
When I was in high school, not even the teachers who taught the metric system, understood the metric system very well. I have always used the Imperial system. As far as I'm concerned, the Imperial system is a whole lot easier to work with, than the metric system. Bruce.

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rick

We went SI metric in either '74 or '75.

I was still in primary school, so entirely brought up in the metric system yet I still use and really only understand PSI so have to convert from kPa on a daily basis as I work a lot with pressures, and only knew my height for years in ft and inches, have only recently got my head around my height in cm. (which aren't technically recognised as an SI measurement anyway, only mm and m are recognised officially)
I jump back and forth from mm to inches all the time, and still critically measure things in thous. When I read a small dimension in 0. something of a mm, I have to convert back to imperial for it to mean anything.

windthrown

Here its classic weirdness: beer is sold in oz/pints, & wine is sold in liters. My truck is all metric (Toyota) but the ODO and speedo are in miles/MPH. Stihl saws are metric, except bars and loops and plugs, with are in inches. I get gas by the gallon, and premix oil (Elf) by the liter. Its enough to drive you bonkers.

Eric Frei

OK, here we go.

This is a no bullshit exercise.

I was told by a Stihl dealer that the Rollomatic ES 25" 0.063 guage, 3/8 pitch, 84 drive links or 85 if you run an 8 tooth drive ... bar is no longer available (goes on Stihl's up to ms660).

So what is GB's best bar to match this? I need one!

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Bruce Hopf

Ekka.
I Just checked the websites for Oregon, and Carlton cutting systems. There was no listing for the MS 660, on either site, but there was for the 066. Not sure what thew difference was between the two, but anyway, here is the Part Numbers for Carlton, and Oregon.
Carlton's # is 2531A84PS, is a 25" Pro Bar, with replaceable sprocket.
Oregon's # is 243RNDD025, and it is a 24" Pro Plus Bar, with replacement sprocket.
If you are intrested in a Laser bar (was told that they are built in Germany, and is a lot better than any Stihl bar, by a Laser sales rep), I can find out more information for you.
I have no information on a GB bar, but I'm sure someone here will be able to put you on the right track. Hope this helps. Bruce.

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stihlman441

GB Titanium replacement sprocket nose 25'' 3/8 .063 # is SN/T25 63PA

Willard Holmen

You will have a hard time finding a bar with better quality over the Stihl ES 25"+ bars made in Germany.
I have an old 28" ES which is in still very good shape, no chipping on the rails at all. Probably the best bar I have run. It is .050 which gives it thicker rails which might be why it stands up so long without chipping. Another bar I'm happy with is Windsor's Speed tip almost as durable as the ES German bars. Sandvik made a very impressive bar years ago.

Oregon [Blount-Omark Industries] now owns Carlton and Windsor.

Bruce Hopf

Once a bar starts chipping, is there any way to fix the problem, by useing a table disc sander, or is it just better to replace it? Thanks. Bruce.

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1- Pro Mac 60, 1- Pro Mac 700, 2- Mac 10-10 Automatic's, 2- Mini Mac 30's, 2- Mac 110's,
2- Mini Mac 35's, 1- Mac 140 with Automatic Chain Sharpener,
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2.0's, 1- Mac 1-10
Stihl chain saws
2- 044's, 2- 034's, 2- 024's, 1- 064, 1- 084,
Strunk chain saws
1- Busy Beaver, 1- SpeeDemon Special
Stand Back, I Have A Very Extreme Case of CAD (Chain Saw Addiction Disorder).

windthrown

Chipping is caused by burs that flake off the rails. Keep your bars trued and the burs filed off. Once they are chipped? Depends on where the chip is I guess, and how deep and long it is.

Bruce Hopf

I always try to keep the burs off the edges of my bars. I always run them across my disc sander, but this bar i got for my 044, was in kind of ruff shape. with the burrs.
I squared it up, but after a bit, it started to chip. I guess what I can do, is measure a new chain, the height of the driver from the point to the bottom of the rail, check the depth of the bar, and if I have clearance, try to sand down to just below the chips on the bar, and see if that will help. Other than that I might have to replace the bar. Thanks for the input. Greatly appreciated. Bruce

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1- Pro Mac 60, 1- Pro Mac 700, 2- Mac 10-10 Automatic's, 2- Mini Mac 30's, 2- Mac 110's,
2- Mini Mac 35's, 1- Mac 140 with Automatic Chain Sharpener,
1- Pro Mac 10-10, 1- Mac Cat, 2- Eager Beaver
2.0's, 1- Mac 1-10
Stihl chain saws
2- 044's, 2- 034's, 2- 024's, 1- 064, 1- 084,
Strunk chain saws
1- Busy Beaver, 1- SpeeDemon Special
Stand Back, I Have A Very Extreme Case of CAD (Chain Saw Addiction Disorder).

windthrown

I dunno about GB. I am surprised that Stihl is not making a 25 inch 3/8 0.063 ES bar any more. There are several 25 inch, 84 link 0.063 ES bars in that size from Stihl, all in 3003 large format bar mount:

3003 000 9831 (13 tooth wider nose sprocket)
3003 000 5231 (11 tooth narrow nose sprocket)
3003 000 6038 (11 tooth narrow nose sprocket)

All the Stihl 25 inch bars on Ebay are 0.050 gauge. I use mostly 0.050 for the reason that 0.050 chain is far easier to get around here. Maybe 0.063 is a thing of the past in 3/8 bars?

Eric Frei

I'm gonna give this a go, what's the dudes contact details again? I did send an email but seems to me many just blow emails off or something, makes me wonder why they bother with a website then.

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