460 husky making me mad.

dodgetkboy78

So, I cut wood, lots of wood, not only do I burn lots, but I drive a log truck, and fell/limb, so, I knew buying a cheap Husky was a mistake, when my 2065 Jonsered wore out................... Right?

Well, besides being half the saw, the 460 hasn't been that bad, other than a gazillion oil pump drives stripping out, until now. Hoping some of you chainsaw guru's can point me in the right direction, because I don't have enough money to go buy a new 357 like I want.


Here's the issue. It acts like it is running lean, bogs when you hit the throttle fast, (perfect for limbing, LOL) and four cycles until it is bogged way down. Power is low (like it wasn't already, serious, WHO would be happy with this things power?) And then, once in a (great) while, it runs like stink! (well, like it should, it's 1/4 the saw the Jonsred is)

Here is what I have done:

Cussed a lot, air filter, fuel filter, pick up line, cleaned the carb, replaced the pump pulse line, tried new gas, spark plug, carb adjust, cussed some more...

To me, it acts like an old dirt big with bad reed valves.........

Any ideas would be great, I wish someone would trade me for a jug and piston for me 2065......... I am almost to the point of using my old faithful backup saw. (hot rod Super XL, with a 24" bar, and some skip tooth) But I like to feel my hands.

superfire

First check your muffler outlet sometimes the fire screen can cause the symptons you desribe.

superfire

check fle bay for 2065 slug and jug good for around 100 saw chips

Eric Frei

Did that shitbox saw come with a warranty?

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dodgetkboy78

yeah, three years ago. I mean, it's a husky, right? Could it be that bad? It is definatly weekend homeowner saw, i'll check the screen this very moment.

Eric Frei

Could be crankcase seals, get it tested for leaks

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superfire

Fixing this plastic saw is not worth it. Now if the saw is just got a pluged screen then yes fixit. The next thing to do it is put a second port on the muffler and readjust the carb.

superfire

If i could think straight I may remember another issue If i was able to post a youtube link i could show you what a plugged fire screen symptons are. Another thought is the block that the carb is bolt to the cyclinder may be warped, I had one 460 i had do this. Did you replace the fuel hose? The jony can be fixed for under 150 saw chips if you shop around a bit several online sources for parts.






Mushy ->>>

dodgetkboy78

Well, the spark screen was clean and light brown, (thanks to the Amsoil I am sure), so I just tore the thing right down to the skivvy's. Crank seals look pretty good from the eye, (And the saw starts great warm and cold, so not sure if that is the issue anyway) carb gaskets are great, straight, clean, it has a new fuel pickup, and filter, I replaced the pulse line previous too, I checked the plug gap, took the top and bottom off the crab, again, cleaned, blew, dried, no junk in there, and no water, I mean, I tried about every runnability idea I could think of, the ONLY thing I found even slightly amiss, was it looks like there MAY (Providing I didn't knock it in taking it apart) have been a piece of sawdust wedged into the main jet. MAYBE.......

Bad news is, the damn thing run great at the moment, and I'm not sure that's good, because I didn't find anything amiss.

Yeah, I am wondering why Husky made a homeowner saw.... You would think it would hurt their reputation, unless these things give trouble free service cutting five cords a year. I can say this, I can have the red totally disassembled and back together for a cleaning in the time it took me to get this one apart, the carb/choke/dummy-killswitch mechanism still baffles me on the fact it hasn't broken to a million pieces yet. I saw the Ebay goodies, seems a new jug and loaded piston is a hundred bucks, well worth the frustration of this 460.

Anyone used these 460 husky's for real duty before? It has been a pretty good saw, really, I mean, the Reds jug and piston scored 3 years ago, and it is a 99 model, the until the piston, the red never gave me any lick but maintenance, but still, the 460 has been pretty good.............. Heavy and underpowered tho. I'm not a big saw nut, had a Stihl won't start before the jonsered, that cut like stink but didn't last long, and NEVER started easy... LOL.

Thanks for the input, if you can think of anything else, I would greatly appreciate it, I'll take my invincible Super XL tomorrow, and you'll know if I used it, because I won't be able to type legibly for days because my hands are asleep.

gooddog

My neighbor and his friend have newer Husky 460's. We have cut some wood with them, the latest being a 3' dia willow. They seem to run ok at full throttle but seem a little soft in the middle. That is common with newer EPA saws. The scream on the top but can't knock a twig off the tree at part throttle. Now, if your jet was plugged, it would be even worse. If you get a larger jet, say, about 3% larger, you would get more mid-range power. An old and stiff diaphram or misadjusted needle valve will make it run funny too. I'm sure when they run my rejetted ms361 that they will have me tinker with their saws.

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I'll be fine if my body holds out.

superfire

Once a guy runs a Pro saw well tune they never go back

gooddog

dodge...does your saw have a removable jet? Do you know what size it was? Thanks

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dodgetkboy78

It doesn't unscrew, it presses in..... Go figure.

The 460 has less low end torque than my Super XL, and what is a superXL? 40cc? It's whole power seems "soft" compared to the 2065, I can file the rakers down, and chew through a Birch twice as fast as the 460 could ever dream, running on nitro methane with a shaved jug.

But the good news is, it ran perfect for about 3 hours today.


And once a guy works on a non-pro saw, he will never go back to a non-pro!

I still don't understand why in the world Husky even made a cheap line saw? Even if I cut two cords a year, I would spend twice the money and get a pro line saw. I don't have the patience for a homeowner saw, LOL.

superfire

The thing Husky did was to sell its soul to the throw awy consumer. Now Stihl stayed true and add a few cheaper saw to its line of saws. The difference between Stihl and Husky is dealer supoort. If I as pro cutter bought my saw at a mega box store and needed a part they would have to order it or send you to somewhere unknow to get a repair,Now if i buy from a stocking dealer that only sells outdoor power equipment then the product quaility is going to be better.

gooddog

My friends bought the 460 Huskys because they were able to get a 60cc saw for $400. This winter, I was able to find myself a unused stihl ms361 for $520 and I think I got the better deal. I'm sure I will get my chance to work on my friends husky's soon enough. I worked at a cycle shop back in the 80's when the EPA really came down hard on them. Same story...run ok at full throttle but no mid range. I believe this is only the beginning for the chainsaws.

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gooddog

dodge....what ratio premix are you running? If you take a lean running EPA saw that is jetted for 50:1 and run 32:1 in it, it will be richer on oil, but, leaner on fuel.(google: premix affects jetting). Many saw people might debate this but the motorcycle people went through this years ago. Racers would do minor rich/lean adjustments before a race just by changing the premix ratio. A carb jet can flow only so much fluid. If you replace gas molecules with oil molecules, you are going to LEAN the saw out(gas/air ratio). You will REALLY notice this on a newer EPA saw. If you change your premix ratio, rejet your carb.

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superfire

Sadly these saw are killed of by the epa krap.

dodgetkboy78

I am running 50:1 Amsoil in it, and all my saws, including the old Homelite that wants 24:1 or 32:1, never had an issue with the Amsoil. I switched after I got a bad bottle of Husky SYN oil, or some screwed up gas. I took a 5 gallon can, pumped a gallon of as, shook it with 3 bottles of Husky oil, added two more gallons, shook it again, and let it ride in my truck to the sale.

Before the 2065 finished its tank, it almost seized up. I looked in the can, the gas had color, so I filled up my first chainsaw (backup) and went to work. Tank and a half later, it started losing power.......... I used the gas to start a brush fire, and almost cried because my two favorite saws, (2065, and 330 Homelite) were dead.

The 460 is running great now though, there must have been an unhappy place somewhere in it that I couldn't find..........

I spent my whole childhood into my adult life ice racing fourwheelers, and snowmachines, built my own expansion chambers, ported, shaved, you name it, and it is nice to be somewhere that people understand that if your too rich, to just increase your oil ratio. Used to do it all the time on my snowmachine and wheelers. I also grew up around experemental rotax and Cuyuna power aircraft.. Great place you guys have here, I like you Aussies/New Zealanders better than grumpy Americans, LOL.

dodgetkboy78

Just curious, I have always ran my saws full throttle unless I am cutting twigs, do you run yours part throttle?

superfire

Full throttle unless in a sensitive cut.

dodgetkboy78

Dad always told me the saws don't get enough oil if they aren't full throttle. (RPM vs Gas/oil mix ratio)

superfire

Actually runing full throttle no load for long periods is the worse thing for a saw. The new saws are designed for maximum enviro standards and low power. If I needed a saw a would look at the older saws,say 10 years old.

gooddog

I sometimes use part throttle just when I start the cut then roll it up to full throttle. If i'm running my ms460 and I need to cut a 2" branch off, no, I don't use full throttle.

I too grew up around various 2-stroke machines. I had a suzuki LT250r that was piped, ported, milled head, carb, etc. Also I was in the ultralight scene owning 2 different quicksilvers.

G'day mate!

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dodgetkboy78

My grandpa has a Cuyuna power quicksilver, LOL.

I have owned four 250 quadracers, and two Quadzillas, my latest is a POlaris Predator. Love the new 4 strokes.


I ordered the Big Bore for my 2065... Not sure about the new 21 series of reds. I can say the 460 is running real good since I drilled out the jet last night, cut the muffler hole bigger, and removed the screen.

Isn't the 365/2165 the same saw? Minus the handles?

superfire

Glad you got that plastic bucket to finnaly run I only run Stihl so mushy aint in my fleet. The one word to the wise be very carefull if one plays with high powered saws they will cause a person to go insane and crave more powerfull saws

dodgetkboy78

I had a Stihl won't start once, I got sick of it being Stihl broke down, so I sold it to a Stihl lover, and it is stihl a POS........




LOL, I just had a bad experience with one saw..... Lots seem to have great luck with them.... Way better than my plastic bucket 460.........

My question is, why all the hating with the plastic? My 2065 has a lot of plastic too.