Unregistered how's it going?

newguy18 · 26th May 2009, 12:09 AM

All is well in north Florida,working on a buddy's 3 wheeler today,but a good chance I'll have to work this afternoon.I had a few too many beers last night.

Don in LA · 26th May 2009, 01:40 AM

Ekka- Thanks for the invite. Things are fine in south Louisiana. Getting a bit too hot and humid for me though. I prefer the fall and winter when its cooler and there aren't as many bugs and snakes underfoot. Fishing for catfish on our local river has been good. My son has a trot line set out and he picked up 5 last night, about 15 pounds total. The catfish here make a very good meal. With the rising temperatures we're startring to see the alligators now. Any crocs in your area?

Treeson · 26th May 2009, 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phill ellison

we are having a bad storm here at the mo, we had a few callout, one car had a large branch landed on it and a another one were a large willow tree landed across some driveway. the funny part about it all was that every time my lovely wife just make me a nice hot cut of tea the bloody phone will ring for the callout and now she not making any more cut of tea for me

Hey Phil

sounds like you fulla's had it pretty rough down your
way. Hopefully your wife is back making you cups of tea.

Bought me a new echo chainsaw -nothing flash, big enough to last me till
August when we hopefully get to Edinburgh.

phill ellison · 26th May 2009, 09:33 PM

LOL mate, now that things have calm down she now back to making me her damn good old cups of teas

( who a lucky man then)

treekiwi · 27th May 2009, 07:32 AM

You putting your skis on for this season Phil? Has been prity cold so far this winter aye boys, hope your in the firewood business too

Milton Moore · 27th May 2009, 12:24 PM

Hi.
Thanks for the welcome. I am from western Canada. I am a retired forestry manager, but I still have an interest in forestry. One of my passtimes/hobies is researching and collecting information about different tree species from all over the world. That is how I found this site as I was looking for information on some trees I have gathered in a list by my computer.
I also like trains and do some model railroading, but I don't find enough time to do all these things, so I do a little of each and seem to drift from one thing to another.
Anyway I look forward to using this site as an addition to the ones I frequent.
Cheers!
Milt.

phill ellison · 27th May 2009, 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by treekiwi

You putting your skis on for this season Phil? Has been prity cold so far this winter aye boys, hope your in the firewood business too

LOL its been a long time since i last skied, hell its been that long Ive probably forgotten how to stop and end off the face of the cliff

....

confused_redhead · 28th May 2009, 12:46 PM

Thanks so much for the welcome! We're getting some much needed rain here in Cleveland! I have so much to learn about plants it's not even funny. >.> My only plant experience is in growing hot peppers, but I hope to learn much more!

treevet · 28th May 2009, 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by confused_redhead

Thanks so much for the welcome! We're getting some much needed rain here in Cleveland!

We've had about enough rain down the highway here. Pretty soon it will never rain again until the fall tho.

[/QUOTE] I have so much to learn about plants it's not even funny. >.> My only plant experience is in growing hot peppers, but I hope to learn much more!

[/QUOTE]

Just ask and you will receive.

Jeff Darby · 28th May 2009, 01:54 PM

JayD's feeling lousy..

bloody flu!

treevet · 28th May 2009, 02:29 PM

Hope you feel better soon JayD.

Hot toddy maybe?

Bob Tooley · 29th May 2009, 01:20 AM

I've played in the tree industry since 1965 and did my 'day in hell' removing elm trees killed by Dutch Elm Disease through the 60's and 70's. I ran one of the only tree services along coastal Maine for years...but ended up being an employment agency, grooming my own competition, fixed equipment on the weekends only to have the stuff broken again by the following Friday, so I decided to specialize and let the hundreds of 'follow-up' tree services slice up the locally available income-pie into even smaller pieces... Rather then compete with them, I found it was better to support and supply them...so now I get 'my' share from 'their' slice of the pie.... without all the headaches... and I got out of taking trees down by specializing in keeping them alive... The client demand for 'tree care' -vs- 'tree removal' means you can charge much higher prices and still meet their expectations by achieving the objective... them keeping their tree standing...

Eric Frei · 29th May 2009, 01:56 AM

Where I live we are yet to cross that bridge of people caring a whole lot about their trees living.

In subtropical and tropical climates they grow so fast most dont care a whole lot, and the ones that do often expect you to work for nothing like some religion saving souls from the devil (tree loppers).

I get 10x more business out of killing trees than saving them.

Bob Tooley · 29th May 2009, 02:49 AM

Still working on introduced insect and disease problems compliments of our local professional landscape services... I've found inter-planting violations of every species host-vector disease/rust problem you can imagine, and we now have white pine blister rust reactivated because landscapers have used the ribes species of currents in new plantings...oddly, the ribes species are banned for use in Maine, but the landscapers don't bother to check the forestry ban list.
States which license and regulate pesticide applicators want us to reduce our chemical pesticides-use, while the unregulated landscape industry bring the problems in on a wholesale status... doesn't make much sense to me...
It's just the typical fun of free-enterprise..regulate the regulatable, and let the others slip through the cracks... If anyone has landscape work that needs to be done in their area, please let me know...I'd love to ship you down a bunch from here for as long as possible....

treevet · 29th May 2009, 03:21 AM

[QUOTE=Bob Tooley;62635]

Quote:

we now have white pine blister rust reactivated

White pine should be a banned species IMO. Garbage tree that takes on massive amounts of storm damage and is very delicate as opposed to resilient physiologically during it's entire life span.

l

Quote:

andscapers don't bother to check the forestry ban list.
unregulated landscape industry bring the problems in on a wholesale statu

s...

Landscapers will often plant a 100' foot maturing tree right on the foundation along with the issues you mention. They start most of the problems we deal with.

Quote:

It's just the typical fun of free-enterprise..regulate the regulatable,

Once they start regulatin' ya, they don't let go. If you haven't been touched yet it is smooth sailing. Look at roofers climbing around at death defying heights with no attachments on steep roofs. They fall just about every day around here and are killed or busted up. We have to tie in while pruning a dogwood.

Bob Tooley · 29th May 2009, 05:03 AM

White pines are a valuable timber crop in forestry, and though I agree they are a trash tree for residential-use, the goal is to prevent the spread of disease beyond a person's property line and into neighboring wild stands. My main complaint is the no accountability policies by landscapers for any introduced insect or disease they bring in once it escapes onto other properties or woodlands. There are no financial obligations for confinement zones needed to contain and eradicate 'their' insects, and no compensations for the damages caused by 'their' "lack of knowledge" regarding these problems...even though you'd better not try to tell them they don't know it all. Landscapers have a win-win policy where they charge dearly for what they know, BS their way through what they don't know...and declare immunity when it all goes wrong...

treevet · 29th May 2009, 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Tooley

White pines are a valuable timber crop in forestry, and though I agree they are a trash tree for residential-use, the goal is to prevent the spread of disease beyond a person's property line and into neighboring wild stands. My main complaint is the no accountability policies by landscapers for any introduced insect or disease they bring in once it escapes onto other properties or woodlands. There are no financial obligations for confinement zones needed to contain and eradicate 'their' insects, and no compensations for the damages caused by 'their' "lack of knowledge" regarding these problems...even though you'd better not try to tell them they don't know it all. Landscapers have a win-win policy where they charge dearly for what they know, BS their way through what they don't know...and declare immunity when it all goes wrong...

That is what our judicial system is for. You want to teach a lesson, set a precedent, make a few bucks.......you never know with a good lawyer and the proper knowledge and evidence. Might be worth the time and money.

Bob Tooley · 29th May 2009, 11:10 AM

I made a request of the Maine Arborist Association to define the word "tree" so I could either force landscapers into or out of the need for licensing and regulation, because they were jumping into the tree industry when it was profitable and later jumping out when there was a demand for accountability. I wanted to know if they were, or were not, within the licensing provisions and if not...get them out of 'our' line of work and out of 'our' pocketbook... The Association felt it wasn't worth looking into, so I changed my business designation to 'landscaping' and handed them back their license... Since the fox was guarding the chicken coop, I decided to get away from the whole mess. Until 'our' industry supports 'our' interests there is little reason not to take the stance they force you into taking, so I didn't 'jump the fence'... they'd left the gate wide open. I'm not going to be paying the high rates while others pay lower when we're both doing the same work... simply because 'no one wants to define when a tree is a tree'...it's very difficult for them to impose any regulations onto me when the State itself can't agree who should or shouldn't be regulated strictly because they don't know the difference between when a tree becomes and tree and when it's not a tree.

Joenicole · 29th May 2009, 01:20 PM

It is raining and cold here in Montreal. We are still waiting for summer.

treevet · 30th May 2009, 01:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Tooley

I made a request of the Maine Arborist Association to define the word "tree" so I could either force landscapers into or out of the need for licensing and regulation, because they were jumping into the tree industry when it was profitable and later jumping out when there was a demand for accountability. I wanted to know if they were, or were not, within the licensing provisions and if not...get them out of 'our' line of work and out of 'our' pocketbook... The Association felt it wasn't worth looking into, so I changed my business designation to 'landscaping' and handed them back their license... Since the fox was guarding the chicken coop, I decided to get away from the whole mess. Until 'our' industry supports 'our' interests there is little reason not to take the stance they force you into taking, so I didn't 'jump the fence'... they'd left the gate wide open. I'm not going to be paying the high rates while others pay lower when we're both doing the same work... simply because 'no one wants to define when a tree is a tree'...it's very difficult for them to impose any regulations onto me when the State itself can't agree who should or shouldn't be regulated strictly because they don't know the difference between when a tree becomes and tree and when it's not a tree.

You are preaching to the choir. But what is the complaint? Is it their pruning or lack of knowledge or improper choice of trees......?

My answer...get a high level niche of clientele with plenty of money, lots of big high quality trees that are loyal to you and treat them like gold.

Bob Tooley · 30th May 2009, 02:27 AM

The primary problem is in the pre-site work...Landscapers will take down trees on a new planting site...some with rope climbers, as well as post planting pruning of mature trees to the point where they literally 'take over the property' for all it's tree care needs, and we have the same problem with contractors who do site clearing. The Arborist by-laws state; if you take down a tree and the value of the wood removed is your compensation for the work, you are a logger. If you remove the wood and charge for the take downs and/or removal of the wood, you are an arborist... I see the landscapers and contractors falling under the arborist aspect, and not the loggers.
I work a very exclusive estate market and 'all' my new work is by referral only... no advertising, or even a number in the phone book, but I'm also concerned for the rest of the industry as a whole and seeing rules and regulations equally imposed and enforced... If you apply for a license you fall under regulation, if you don't bother to get a license you can be a loose cannon and do anything, anyway and the damage or injuries encountered fall back onto the industry, and in turn onto the licensed regulations. We end up paying for their mistakes... The insect/disease problems as well as invasive species plantings being brought in and forgotten about is just another example of being able to do anything without accountability or regulation.

newguy18 · 30th May 2009, 09:48 PM

Alls okay here,i gotta work today,after work I'm going to a buddy's house and drinking till i pass out.I'm looking forward to august 5th,I'm going to see green day in concert down in Orlando.

stargazer · 30th May 2009, 10:38 PM

[QUOTE=treevet;62638]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Tooley

White pine should be a banned species IMO. Garbage tree that takes on massive amounts of storm damage and is very delicate as opposed to resilient physiologically during it's entire life span.

Once they start regulating' ya, they don't let go. If you haven't been touched yet it is smooth sailing. Look at roofers climbing around at death defying heights with no attachments on steep roofs. They fall just about every day around here and are killed or busted up. We have to tie in while pruning a dogwood.

Wow!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Maine is called "The Pine Tree State" and they mean white pine. It is an extremely valuable tree! Try going to the lumber shop and buying some clear pine 1x12. Bet you can hold $300 worth in your arms. It's used for interior and exterior trim work everywhere in New England. Also moldings, shelves, bar tops, floors, walls, ceilings, roof boards, timber framing, vertical siding, shingles, clapboards, furniture, etc., etc. etc. Previously it was used for sailing ships masts and spars. The king of England sent men over to stamp the best ones in the colonies, and woe to the local who cut one! Truly a premium tree that has been recognized as such for hundreds of years. Probably my favorite wood. Groves of pine are recognized everywhere as being beautiful and special. Ever heard the expression "cathedral in the pines"? It refers to that special feeling of awe created by the vertical columns of the pine trunks.

Trevet, other than that I agree with you. In fact, I used to run a roofing business! Also, love that truck in your avatar.

Edit: I wouldn't want to live under a pine tree, just visit. Perhaps that is your idea.

treevet · 31st May 2009, 01:35 AM

[QUOTE=stargazer;62796]

Quote:

Originally Posted by treevet

Wow!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Maine is called "The Pine Tree State" and they mean white pine. It is an extremely valuable tree! Try going to the lumber shop and buying some clear pine 1x12. Bet you can hold $300 worth in your arms. It's used for interior and exterior trim work everywhere in New England. Also moldings, shelves, bar tops, floors, walls, ceilings, roof boards, timber framing, vertical siding, shingles, clapboards, furniture, etc., etc. etc. Previously it was used for sailing ships masts and spars. The king of England sent men over to stamp the best ones in the colonies, and woe to the local who cut one! Truly a premium tree that has been recognized as such for hundreds of years. Probably my favorite wood. Groves of pine are recognized everywhere as being beautiful and special. Ever heard the expression "cathedral in the pines"? It refers to that special feeling of awe created by the vertical columns of the pine trunks.

Trevet, other than that I agree with you. In fact, I used to run a roofing business! Also, love that truck in your avatar.

Edit: I wouldn't want to live under a pine tree, just visit. Perhaps that is your idea.

That is exactly my point. While fine in the woods White pine are not a good residential tree and, hey, that is what this forum is about and what arborists are for (maintaining trees in residential settings). They won't even sell them in nurseries around here anymore thank God. Thanks bout the avatar.

treevet · 31st May 2009, 01:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by newguy18

Alls okay here,i gotta work today,after work I'm going to a buddy's house and drinking till i pass out.

thought you didn't drink Bill?

Bob Tooley · 31st May 2009, 02:51 AM

I forgot to mention that white pines are also on Maine's forestry ban list for import into the state....

treevet · 31st May 2009, 03:18 AM

A girl got killed by a white pine during a mild ice storm in my town last winter when a limb fell on her.

Bob Tooley · 31st May 2009, 03:42 AM

I don't know why so many people use them in landscapes. They make lousy hedges, they are subject to every insect known to man and cables seem to fail because the limb kicks off from the trunk shoulder, or snaps off above the cable site. Along the coast line the side toward the water is always yellowed from the salt damage off the water, and generally.....they just 'look like hell'....

newguy18 · 31st May 2009, 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by treevet

thought you didn't drink Bill?

I drink occasionally,i don't get hammered all the time.I know I'm gonna get hammered tonight at his party though,i always do.

newguy18 · 3rd June 2009, 11:27 AM

going good,staying busy,making time to get household projects done.

26th May 2009, 12:09 AM	#1351
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 4,977	Re: newguy18 how's it going? All is well in north Florida,working on a buddy's 3 wheeler today,but a good chance I'll have to work this afternoon.I had a few too many beers last night. __________________ Have your say join us today. old schooler Last edited by newguy18; 26th May 2009 at 01:54 PM. Reason: don't spell good when i'm hungover.

26th May 2009, 01:40 AM	#1352
Don in LA Sappling Join Date: May 2009 Location: Port Vincent, LA Posts: 11	Re: Don in LA how's it going? Ekka- Thanks for the invite. Things are fine in south Louisiana. Getting a bit too hot and humid for me though. I prefer the fall and winter when its cooler and there aren't as many bugs and snakes underfoot. Fishing for catfish on our local river has been good. My son has a trot line set out and he picked up 5 last night, about 15 pounds total. The catfish here make a very good meal. With the rising temperatures we're startring to see the alligators now. Any crocs in your area?

26th May 2009, 09:33 PM	#1354
phill ellison Mature tree Join Date: May 2008 Location: new zealand Posts: 450	Re: phill ellison how's it going? LOL mate, now that things have calm down she now back to making me her damn good old cups of teas( who a lucky man then)

27th May 2009, 07:32 AM	#1355
treekiwi Certificate in Horticulture (Level 4) + Diploma in Arboriculture (Level 6) Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: New Zealand Posts: 258	Re: treekiwi how's it going? You putting your skis on for this season Phil? Has been prity cold so far this winter aye boys, hope your in the firewood business too __________________ www.urbantree.co.nz www.urbantreecare.co.nz

27th May 2009, 12:24 PM	#1356
Milton Moore I'm new here so be nice Join Date: May 2009 Location: Smithers, B.C. Posts: 1	Re: Milton Moore how's it going? Hi. Thanks for the welcome. I am from western Canada. I am a retired forestry manager, but I still have an interest in forestry. One of my passtimes/hobies is researching and collecting information about different tree species from all over the world. That is how I found this site as I was looking for information on some trees I have gathered in a list by my computer. I also like trains and do some model railroading, but I don't find enough time to do all these things, so I do a little of each and seem to drift from one thing to another. Anyway I look forward to using this site as an addition to the ones I frequent. Cheers! Milt.

28th May 2009, 12:46 PM	#1358
confused_redhead I'm new here so be nice Join Date: May 2009 Location: Cleveland Posts: 3	Re: confused_redhead how's it going? Thanks so much for the welcome! We're getting some much needed rain here in Cleveland! I have so much to learn about plants it's not even funny. >.> My only plant experience is in growing hot peppers, but I hope to learn much more!

28th May 2009, 01:54 PM	#1360
Jeff Darby Moderator - Previously known as JayD Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: TreeWorld, Sydney Australia Posts: 2,031	Re: JayD how's it going? JayD's feeling lousy.. bloody flu! __________________ Member: Australian Tree Association Join the Australian Tree Association...Have your voice heard ! Arboriculture, A life long study for some, a passing phase for others © Jeffrey J Darby 2011

28th May 2009, 02:29 PM	#1361
treevet Backflipper Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA Posts: 2,131	Re: treevet how's it going? Hope you feel better soon JayD. Hot toddy maybe?

29th May 2009, 01:20 AM	#1362
Bob Tooley Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: May 2009 Location: Scarborough, Maine USA Posts: 128	Re: Bob Tooley how's it going? I've played in the tree industry since 1965 and did my 'day in hell' removing elm trees killed by Dutch Elm Disease through the 60's and 70's. I ran one of the only tree services along coastal Maine for years...but ended up being an employment agency, grooming my own competition, fixed equipment on the weekends only to have the stuff broken again by the following Friday, so I decided to specialize and let the hundreds of 'follow-up' tree services slice up the locally available income-pie into even smaller pieces... Rather then compete with them, I found it was better to support and supply them...so now I get 'my' share from 'their' slice of the pie.... without all the headaches... and I got out of taking trees down by specializing in keeping them alive... The client demand for 'tree care' -vs- 'tree removal' means you can charge much higher prices and still meet their expectations by achieving the objective... them keeping their tree standing...

29th May 2009, 01:56 AM	#1363
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,820	Re: Ekka how's it going? Where I live we are yet to cross that bridge of people caring a whole lot about their trees living. In subtropical and tropical climates they grow so fast most dont care a whole lot, and the ones that do often expect you to work for nothing like some religion saving souls from the devil (tree loppers). I get 10x more business out of killing trees than saving them. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

29th May 2009, 02:49 AM	#1364
Bob Tooley Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: May 2009 Location: Scarborough, Maine USA Posts: 128	Re: Bob Tooley how's it going? Still working on introduced insect and disease problems compliments of our local professional landscape services... I've found inter-planting violations of every species host-vector disease/rust problem you can imagine, and we now have white pine blister rust reactivated because landscapers have used the ribes species of currents in new plantings...oddly, the ribes species are banned for use in Maine, but the landscapers don't bother to check the forestry ban list. States which license and regulate pesticide applicators want us to reduce our chemical pesticides-use, while the unregulated landscape industry bring the problems in on a wholesale status... doesn't make much sense to me... It's just the typical fun of free-enterprise..regulate the regulatable, and let the others slip through the cracks... If anyone has landscape work that needs to be done in their area, please let me know...I'd love to ship you down a bunch from here for as long as possible....

29th May 2009, 05:03 AM	#1366
Bob Tooley Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: May 2009 Location: Scarborough, Maine USA Posts: 128	Re: Bob Tooley how's it going? White pines are a valuable timber crop in forestry, and though I agree they are a trash tree for residential-use, the goal is to prevent the spread of disease beyond a person's property line and into neighboring wild stands. My main complaint is the no accountability policies by landscapers for any introduced insect or disease they bring in once it escapes onto other properties or woodlands. There are no financial obligations for confinement zones needed to contain and eradicate 'their' insects, and no compensations for the damages caused by 'their' "lack of knowledge" regarding these problems...even though you'd better not try to tell them they don't know it all. Landscapers have a win-win policy where they charge dearly for what they know, BS their way through what they don't know...and declare immunity when it all goes wrong...

29th May 2009, 11:10 AM	#1368
Bob Tooley Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: May 2009 Location: Scarborough, Maine USA Posts: 128	Re: Bob Tooley how's it going? I made a request of the Maine Arborist Association to define the word "tree" so I could either force landscapers into or out of the need for licensing and regulation, because they were jumping into the tree industry when it was profitable and later jumping out when there was a demand for accountability. I wanted to know if they were, or were not, within the licensing provisions and if not...get them out of 'our' line of work and out of 'our' pocketbook... The Association felt it wasn't worth looking into, so I changed my business designation to 'landscaping' and handed them back their license... Since the fox was guarding the chicken coop, I decided to get away from the whole mess. Until 'our' industry supports 'our' interests there is little reason not to take the stance they force you into taking, so I didn't 'jump the fence'... they'd left the gate wide open. I'm not going to be paying the high rates while others pay lower when we're both doing the same work... simply because 'no one wants to define when a tree is a tree'...it's very difficult for them to impose any regulations onto me when the State itself can't agree who should or shouldn't be regulated strictly because they don't know the difference between when a tree becomes and tree and when it's not a tree.

29th May 2009, 01:20 PM	#1369
Joenicole Sappling Join Date: May 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 12	Re: Joenicole how's it going? It is raining and cold here in Montreal. We are still waiting for summer.

30th May 2009, 02:27 AM	#1371
Bob Tooley Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: May 2009 Location: Scarborough, Maine USA Posts: 128	Re: Bob Tooley how's it going? The primary problem is in the pre-site work...Landscapers will take down trees on a new planting site...some with rope climbers, as well as post planting pruning of mature trees to the point where they literally 'take over the property' for all it's tree care needs, and we have the same problem with contractors who do site clearing. The Arborist by-laws state; if you take down a tree and the value of the wood removed is your compensation for the work, you are a logger. If you remove the wood and charge for the take downs and/or removal of the wood, you are an arborist... I see the landscapers and contractors falling under the arborist aspect, and not the loggers. I work a very exclusive estate market and 'all' my new work is by referral only... no advertising, or even a number in the phone book, but I'm also concerned for the rest of the industry as a whole and seeing rules and regulations equally imposed and enforced... If you apply for a license you fall under regulation, if you don't bother to get a license you can be a loose cannon and do anything, anyway and the damage or injuries encountered fall back onto the industry, and in turn onto the licensed regulations. We end up paying for their mistakes... The insect/disease problems as well as invasive species plantings being brought in and forgotten about is just another example of being able to do anything without accountability or regulation.

30th May 2009, 09:48 PM	#1372
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 4,977	Re: newguy18 how's it going? Alls okay here,i gotta work today,after work I'm going to a buddy's house and drinking till i pass out.I'm looking forward to august 5th,I'm going to see green day in concert down in Orlando. __________________ Have your say join us today. old schooler

31st May 2009, 02:51 AM	#1376
Bob Tooley Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: May 2009 Location: Scarborough, Maine USA Posts: 128	Re: Bob Tooley how's it going? I forgot to mention that white pines are also on Maine's forestry ban list for import into the state....

31st May 2009, 03:18 AM	#1377
treevet Backflipper Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA Posts: 2,131	Re: treevet how's it going? A girl got killed by a white pine during a mild ice storm in my town last winter when a limb fell on her.

31st May 2009, 03:42 AM	#1378
Bob Tooley Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: May 2009 Location: Scarborough, Maine USA Posts: 128	Re: Bob Tooley how's it going? I don't know why so many people use them in landscapes. They make lousy hedges, they are subject to every insect known to man and cables seem to fail because the limb kicks off from the trunk shoulder, or snaps off above the cable site. Along the coast line the side toward the water is always yellowed from the salt damage off the water, and generally.....they just 'look like hell'....

3rd June 2009, 11:27 AM	#1380
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 4,977	Re: newguy18 how's it going? going good,staying busy,making time to get household projects done. __________________ Have your say join us today. old schooler

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