Plane Crash Sites

azrael · 28th December 2007, 06:45 PM

I met a guy yesterday who researches (as a hobby) plane crash sites...he saw me inspecting trees...and approached with had a few questions about trees... such as species recognition, fire damage, radiant heat damage, shrapnel damages, general impact destruction/recovery...and so on.

He's promised some photos of same which I will post when I get them.
Also provided some keywords for Google search (Aust.) if anyone is interested. Here goes....ADF-Serials....Crash Site & Memorials.

Try Welcome to ADF Serials

azrael · 28th December 2007, 08:11 PM

The Firefly WD 869 incident would be the closest to 'home'...about 30 mins driving away, but in a very remote location just below the lip of the escarpment (Saddleback/Noorinan Mountain).

There are a few good shots of the typical very dense heathland vegetation at the top (plateau) ... akin to that seen in hanging swamps of Barren Grounds Nature Reserve (NPWS Reserve).
Barren Grounds Nature Reserve - Natural Attractions
Barren Grounds Nature Reserve

bigshea13 · 31st December 2007, 05:39 PM

i did some clearing at the army base an hour from home. we were clearing bombing sites. they hAD a n explosives team cruisin in front of us with metal detectors retrieving undetonated devices. once i saw an unexploded cluster bomb piece stjcking threw a poplar. we cut, pushed into circle with huge dozer and burned.

some of the unexploded stuff caused fire to get a little outa control but they got it eventually. wasnt really a fan of thatg job. later in years i worked there again for a coupledays along side a brontosaurus chewing up larger roadside brush. found so busted 55 gal dfrums leaking green/yellow fluid. i havent grown that extra arm out me arse so it musta been semi safe.

JayD · 31st December 2007, 06:13 PM

Hi,
It's a good site,That, I found pictures of a Fairyfirefly I used to play in when I was a teenager, It was good to see this old war bird again.

newguy18 · 1st January 2008, 03:55 PM

a friend of mine saw how the army removes stumps with primer cord.

go army.

bigshea13 · 3rd January 2008, 09:04 AM

blowin stumps! that sounds like fun!

mdvaden · 3rd January 2008, 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by azrael

I met a guy yesterday who researches (as a hobby) plane crash sites...he saw me inspecting trees...and approached with had a few questions about trees... such as species recognition, fire damage, radiant heat damage, shrapnel damages, general impact destruction/recovery...and so on.

He's promised some photos of same which I will post when I get them.
Also provided some keywords for Google search (Aust.) if anyone is interested. Here goes....ADF-Serials....Crash Site & Memorials.

Try Welcome to ADF Serials

There was one in the forest near here, in the 1940s - small plane. I think 3 people perished. 2 were buried along Butte Fork trail and there is a pile of rocks covering them, and a plaque.

With a tip from a local hiker, I found the remnants about 1000 feet downhill from the plaque and trail. About all that remains is a lot of the engine. Looks like a bunch of cylinder heads in a circular arrangement. And the battery is there and the aluminum battery case. A few pieces of metal, and that's about the extent of it.

That's about 60 years gone by.

A few miles up the trail is this old historic Butte Fork Toolhouse built for the Forest Service in the 1920s to store trail building supplies. This cabin will be passed before reaching the crash site. There are not very many historical buildings in this Rogue River National Forest.

The Harlow Cabin below has nothing to do with plane crash sites. It's about 5 miles from the trailhead for Butte Fork trail, but to the east.

bigshea13 · 3rd January 2008, 05:26 PM

An F14 Went Down In The Adirondack Park Many Years Ago. They Didnt Find The Pilot Until Years Later When Hunters Saw His Chute, Harness And What Was Left Of Him Hanging From The Tree Canopy.
Probably The Same Thing That Happened To Db Cooper.

azrael · 3rd January 2008, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by mdvaden

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A few miles up the trail is this old historic Butte Fork Toolhouse built for the Forest Service in the 1920s to store trail building supplies. This cabin will be passed before reaching the crash site. There are not very many historical buildings in this Rogue River National Forest.
The Harlow Cabin below has nothing to do with plane crash sites. It's about 5 miles from the trailhead for Butte Fork trail, but to the east.

Fantastic...Who owns (maintains) these huts now...are they still Forest Sevice Huts?... Are people (public) allowed to overnight camp and/or take refuge etc.
Looks like a really nice spot ... BUT looks a bit like bear country too

(we dont have bears in Aussie).

Sean Freeman · 3rd January 2008, 05:51 PM

Azrael sounds like your thinking of bothies, plenty of them in the UK used a fair few of them myself as a teenager walking the Pennine way etc...

Also maybe some of our UK members might be able to add info about the crash sites if any of them walk? As a teenager I walked over numerous WW2 crash sites I certain there's websites dedicated to many of them...even saw pretty big fragments from the planes at two up around Glossop and Edale, never touched any of it though. (too many friends and familt in the forces to be disrespectful)

azrael · 3rd January 2008, 06:16 PM

Sean...
The buildings reminded me of the huts in Kosciosko National Park...available for emergency use by cross-country skiers in winter...or long-haul hikers in summer....ppl who get caught out in sudden weather change....these huts SAVE LIVES.
They're maintained N.P.W.S.(and volunteers)...They nearly always have a log book for visitors to sign.
But a number of the huts were burnt down in the 2006(?) fires which swept thru the Park.
There are volunteers working now to gradually rebuild these huts...

newguy18 · 3rd January 2008, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by bigshea13

blowin stumps! that sounds like fun!

Got any primer cord?I'll pay shipping.

No I don't where a turban.

Therrin · 4th January 2008, 12:59 AM

It *IS* fun!!!! and you don't need primacord. I posted on my experiences with stump blasting here:

"Worlds fastest firewood splitter"

In some places around here I found it actually *can* be done legally. But you need liscensure, permits, etc etc...

I do all the blasting and pyrotechnics for a friend who makes short films in the local area. We have to have a Fire dept guy on hand, but since I only use low grade explosive, they aren't really picky about liscences and permits. Compounds and plastiques they're really picky about, anything that needs a booster to create high explosive detonation. (yer primacord would fit in that catagory)

newguy18 · 4th January 2008, 08:21 AM

can you make a video?

Therrin · 4th January 2008, 10:19 PM

who? me? or someone else?

I'm not sure if Ekka would let me post a video of that on here.

newguy18 · 5th January 2008, 10:10 AM

Just ask him.

Therrin · 5th January 2008, 07:10 PM

I'll see if I can find a stump at a friend's place that I can do a blasting demonstration on. That'd be pretty cool, I never even thought to video it last time.

Gonna have to go find all my supplies, I store em spread out so I don't just have a box full of stuff that looks suspicious.

28th December 2007, 06:45 PM	#1 (permalink)
azrael Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Earth Australia Posts: 321	Plane Crash Sites I met a guy yesterday who researches (as a hobby) plane crash sites...he saw me inspecting trees...and approached with had a few questions about trees... such as species recognition, fire damage, radiant heat damage, shrapnel damages, general impact destruction/recovery...and so on. He's promised some photos of same which I will post when I get them. Also provided some keywords for Google search (Aust.) if anyone is interested. Here goes....ADF-Serials....Crash Site & Memorials. Try Welcome to ADF Serials

28th December 2007, 08:11 PM	#2 (permalink)
azrael Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Earth Australia Posts: 321	Re: Plane Crash Sites The Firefly WD 869 incident would be the closest to 'home'...about 30 mins driving away, but in a very remote location just below the lip of the escarpment (Saddleback/Noorinan Mountain). There are a few good shots of the typical very dense heathland vegetation at the top (plateau) ... akin to that seen in hanging swamps of Barren Grounds Nature Reserve (NPWS Reserve). Barren Grounds Nature Reserve - Natural Attractions Barren Grounds Nature Reserve

31st December 2007, 05:39 PM	#3 (permalink)
bigshea13 Mature tree Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: hiding Posts: 378	Re: Plane Crash Sites i did some clearing at the army base an hour from home. we were clearing bombing sites. they hAD a n explosives team cruisin in front of us with metal detectors retrieving undetonated devices. once i saw an unexploded cluster bomb piece stjcking threw a poplar. we cut, pushed into circle with huge dozer and burned. some of the unexploded stuff caused fire to get a little outa control but they got it eventually. wasnt really a fan of thatg job. later in years i worked there again for a coupledays along side a brontosaurus chewing up larger roadside brush. found so busted 55 gal dfrums leaking green/yellow fluid. i havent grown that extra arm out me arse so it musta been semi safe.

31st December 2007, 06:13 PM	#4 (permalink)
JayD Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Sydney Posts: 940	Re: Plane Crash Sites Hi, It's a good site,That, I found pictures of a Fairyfirefly I used to play in when I was a teenager, It was good to see this old war bird again. __________________ Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory

1st January 2008, 03:55 PM	#5 (permalink)
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Live Oak Florida home of the crapiest trees you will ever see. Posts: 2,677	Re: Plane Crash Sites a friend of mine saw how the army removes stumps with primer cord. go army. __________________ Have your say join us today. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzkd_m4ivmc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzfzb...eature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-OqK...eature=related

3rd January 2008, 09:04 AM	#6 (permalink)
bigshea13 Mature tree Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: hiding Posts: 378	Re: Plane Crash Sites blowin stumps! that sounds like fun!

3rd January 2008, 05:26 PM	#8 (permalink)
bigshea13 Mature tree Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: hiding Posts: 378	Re: Plane Crash Sites An F14 Went Down In The Adirondack Park Many Years Ago. They Didnt Find The Pilot Until Years Later When Hunters Saw His Chute, Harness And What Was Left Of Him Hanging From The Tree Canopy. Probably The Same Thing That Happened To Db Cooper.

3rd January 2008, 05:51 PM	#10 (permalink)
Sean Freeman PDF King & Arborist Extrodinaire Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,671	Re: Plane Crash Sites Azrael sounds like your thinking of bothies, plenty of them in the UK used a fair few of them myself as a teenager walking the Pennine way etc... Also maybe some of our UK members might be able to add info about the crash sites if any of them walk? As a teenager I walked over numerous WW2 crash sites I certain there's websites dedicated to many of them...even saw pretty big fragments from the planes at two up around Glossop and Edale, never touched any of it though. (too many friends and familt in the forces to be disrespectful) __________________ Sean Trees are poems that earth writes upon the sky, We fell them down and turn them into paper, That we may record our emptiness. - Kahlil Gibran

3rd January 2008, 06:16 PM	#11 (permalink)
azrael Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Earth Australia Posts: 321	Re: Plane Crash Sites Sean... The buildings reminded me of the huts in Kosciosko National Park...available for emergency use by cross-country skiers in winter...or long-haul hikers in summer....ppl who get caught out in sudden weather change....these huts SAVE LIVES. They're maintained N.P.W.S.(and volunteers)...They nearly always have a log book for visitors to sign. But a number of the huts were burnt down in the 2006(?) fires which swept thru the Park. There are volunteers working now to gradually rebuild these huts...

4th January 2008, 12:59 AM	#13 (permalink)
Therrin The Tree World Bandit Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Lancaster, Ca Posts: 1,273	Re: Plane Crash Sites It IS fun!!!! and you don't need primacord. I posted on my experiences with stump blasting here: "Worlds fastest firewood splitter" In some places around here I found it actually can be done legally. But you need liscensure, permits, etc etc... I do all the blasting and pyrotechnics for a friend who makes short films in the local area. We have to have a Fire dept guy on hand, but since I only use low grade explosive, they aren't really picky about liscences and permits. Compounds and plastiques they're really picky about, anything that needs a booster to create high explosive detonation. (yer primacord would fit in that catagory) __________________ Ken Fessia I.T.S.A. Tree Service (661) 916-4703

4th January 2008, 08:21 AM	#14 (permalink)
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Live Oak Florida home of the crapiest trees you will ever see. Posts: 2,677	Re: Plane Crash Sites can you make a video? __________________ Have your say join us today. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzkd_m4ivmc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzfzb...eature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-OqK...eature=related

4th January 2008, 10:19 PM	#15 (permalink)
Therrin The Tree World Bandit Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Lancaster, Ca Posts: 1,273	Re: Plane Crash Sites who? me? or someone else? I'm not sure if Ekka would let me post a video of that on here. __________________ Ken Fessia I.T.S.A. Tree Service (661) 916-4703

5th January 2008, 10:10 AM	#16 (permalink)
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Live Oak Florida home of the crapiest trees you will ever see. Posts: 2,677	Re: Plane Crash Sites Just ask him. __________________ Have your say join us today. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzkd_m4ivmc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzfzb...eature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-OqK...eature=related

5th January 2008, 07:10 PM	#17 (permalink)
Therrin The Tree World Bandit Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Lancaster, Ca Posts: 1,273	Re: Plane Crash Sites I'll see if I can find a stump at a friend's place that I can do a blasting demonstration on. That'd be pretty cool, I never even thought to video it last time. Gonna have to go find all my supplies, I store em spread out so I don't just have a box full of stuff that looks suspicious. __________________ Ken Fessia I.T.S.A. Tree Service (661) 916-4703