An Old Christmas / Wintertime Poem

mdvaden · 7th December 2007, 03:56 AM

Thanks for the holiday background Ekka..

Hey... I found a copy of a file from last winter - a page with an old wintertime poem that I liked a lot.

Its a short one, but each winter, I find myself in the shoes of the person of the poem - just without the horse.

Mainly because I grew up on a decent size property where the same view was available, and I'd stand under the trees when it snowed - usually at night in Oregon. And I go hiking quite a bit, even when it snows. Not alpine, but just high enough to reach the snow zone. The Oregon coast range is a classic for that - about 2000 foot elevation at summit.

Winter Poem about stopping in the woods for snow

Enjoy the holiday season, whether you celebrate one or not

newguy18 · 7th December 2007, 07:06 AM

Thats a nice poem and think yourself lucky that your not around horses.My mom has 2 and I can say from experiance I hate horses.I'm also not big on holidays either I see them as another day to make a few bucks.

Eric Frei · 7th December 2007, 06:31 PM

Mario, that snow background idea is great, java driven, where can I perhaps make up some custom ones?

DBS · 8th December 2007, 01:08 AM

Ekka here is some Javascript for falling snowflakes you can adjust how many flakes as well as the decent rate.

here is a

for you

you can make the image anything you want..ie leaves falling.

-Daryl

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2 Final//EN">
<HTML>
<HEAD>
<META NAME="Generator" CONTENT="TextPad 4.4">
<LINK href="general.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css">
</HEAD>
<BODY Background=../graphics/grayback.jpg>
<center><BR><BR><BR>
<SCRIPT LANGUAGE="JavaScript1.2">
var no = 25; // snow number
var speed = 10; // smaller number moves the snow faster
var snowflake = "snow.gif";
var ns4up = (document.layers) ? 1 : 0; // browser sniffer
var ie4up = (document.all) ? 1 : 0;
var dx, xp, yp; // coordinate and position variables
var am, stx, sty; // amplitude and step variables
var i, doc_width = 800, doc_height = 600;
if (ns4up) {
doc_width = self.innerWidth;
doc_height = self.innerHeight;
} else if (ie4up) {
doc_width = document.body.clientWidth;
doc_height = document.body.clientHeight;
}
dx = new Array();
xp = new Array();
yp = new Array();
am = new Array();
stx = new Array();
sty = new Array();
for (i = 0; i < no; ++ i) {
dx[i] = 0; // set coordinate variables
xp[i] = Math.random()*(doc_width-50); // set position variables
yp[i] = Math.random()*doc_height;
am[i] = Math.random()*20; // set amplitude variables
stx[i] = 0.02 + Math.random()/10; // set step variables
sty[i] = 0.7 + Math.random(); // set step variables
if (ns4up) { // set layers
if (i == 0) {
document.write("<layer name=\"dot"+ i +"\" left=\"15\" ");
document.write("top=\"15\" visibility=\"show\"><img src=\"");
document.write(snowflake + "\" border=\"0\"></layer>");
} else {
document.write("<layer name=\"dot"+ i +"\" left=\"15\" ");
document.write("top=\"15\" visibility=\"show\"><img src=\"");
document.write(snowflake + "\" border=\"0\"></layer>");
}
} else if (ie4up) {
if (i == 0) {
document.write("<div id=\"dot"+ i +"\" style=\"POSITION: ");
document.write("absolute; Z-INDEX: "+ i +"; VISIBILITY: ");
document.write("visible; TOP: 15px; LEFT: 15px;\"><img src=\"");
document.write(snowflake + "\" border=\"0\"></div>");
} else {
document.write("<div id=\"dot"+ i +"\" style=\"POSITION: ");
document.write("absolute; Z-INDEX: "+ i +"; VISIBILITY: ");
document.write("visible; TOP: 15px; LEFT: 15px;\"><img src=\"");
document.write(snowflake + "\" border=\"0\"></div>");
}
}
}
function snowNS() { // Netscape main animation function
for (i = 0; i < no; ++ i) { // iterate for every dot
yp[i] += sty[i];
if (yp[i] > doc_height-50) {
xp[i] = Math.random()*(doc_width-am[i]-30);
yp[i] = 0;
stx[i] = 0.02 + Math.random()/10;
sty[i] = 0.7 + Math.random();
doc_width = self.innerWidth;
doc_height = self.innerHeight;
}
dx[i] += stx[i];
document.layers["dot"+i].top = yp[i];
document.layers["dot"+i].left = xp[i] + am[i]*Math.sin(dx[i]);
}
setTimeout("snowNS()", speed);
}
function snowIE() { // IE main animation function
for (i = 0; i < no; ++ i) { // iterate for every dot
yp[i] += sty[i];
if (yp[i] > doc_height-50) {
xp[i] = Math.random()*(doc_width-am[i]-30);
yp[i] = 0;
stx[i] = 0.02 + Math.random()/10;
sty[i] = 0.7 + Math.random();
doc_width = document.body.clientWidth;
doc_height = document.body.clientHeight;
}
dx[i] += stx[i];
document.all["dot"+i].style.pixelTop = yp[i];
document.all["dot"+i].style.pixelLeft = xp[i] + am[i]*Math.sin(dx[i]);
}
setTimeout("snowIE()", speed);
}
if (ns4up) {
snowNS();
} else if (ie4up) {
snowIE();
}
// End -->
</script>
</center>
</BODY>
</HTML>

Eric Frei · 8th December 2007, 08:40 AM

Please, dont tell me you wrote that but copied it?

What a language to learn that would be, far out!

I'll see what I have time to conjure up over the weekend, there's a serious lack of outback christmas stuff, really peeves you here when buying cards to buy snow and deer and stuff coz we dont get any of that.

We got roos, wombats, koalas, beach, beer, seafood etc ... and firebans!

Jeff Darby · 8th December 2007, 09:30 AM

Hi All,
Here's a Christmas tree for the drinkin man..LOL.

newguy18 · 8th December 2007, 10:00 AM

Did you make that on your own?

Jeff Darby · 8th December 2007, 10:27 AM

No, I don't drink, The wife brought it to my attention and I thought you's blokes might like a look at this blokes injunuity, From the States judgeing from the architecture, Here in Australia we used to make fly curtains out of old beer ring pulls.
BOS, Nice poem Mario.

DBS · 8th December 2007, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JayD

Hi All,
Here's a Christmas tree for the drinkin man..LOL.

and for all the wino's out there...

no Ekka i did not write that... i do know some basics though.

do you have dreamweaver??? ... (do you want it?)

-Daryl

Eric Frei · 9th December 2007, 09:08 AM

No dreamweaver, that's flash stuff right?

I dont use flash much, dont like it but has it's place and yes it does like good.

I have some basic flash software to make stuff to insert into videos etc. I have a program that can convert video's to flash but frankly, file size isn't much different so I dont bother.

DBS · 9th December 2007, 10:23 AM

nah man not just Flash...the software allows to create pages and include many other feathures all in program/screen, also has a nice preview of the page simply by hitting F12 (preview in IE window) i think you run FFox so i am uncertain aboutits compatability w/ that.

also everything is color coded makes editing index files a snap esp because you can preview page without uploading to server providing you build the page w/ "paths" to you hard drive for any graphics.

-Daryl

DBS · 9th December 2007, 10:24 AM

did you use the javascript??

-Daryl

Eric Frei · 9th December 2007, 10:36 AM

Nope, haven't done it yet. I gotta stop arguing on AS about healthcare and guns. LOL It's like a sport for me.

Hey, I dont use any software for page building, I just write the code on the server page and refresh the browser. I'm not sure if it could write a css page?

mdvaden · 9th December 2007, 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ekka

We got roos, wombats, koalas, beach, beer, seafood etc ... and firebans!

Hey Ekka,

Where's the one to put to the tune that says...

"Eight Loppers Topping !!"

newguy18 · 9th December 2007, 12:52 PM

Don't get him started after all its the christmas season peace on earth and goodwill towards men.

DBS · 9th December 2007, 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ekka

Nope, haven't done it yet. I gotta stop arguing on AS about healthcare and guns. LOL It's like a sport for me.

Hey, I dont use any software for page building, I just write the code on the server page and refresh the browser. I'm not sure if it could write a css page?

Sweet guns!! Lets talk... ** PAGING Therrin**

Indeed it can support css.

Here is the "features" page for Dreamweaver

You can get a free trial here

-Daryl

Therrin · 9th December 2007, 07:30 PM

***checking PAGER*** Guns? Did somebody say guns?

<slowly, a smile starts to spread from one corner of Therrin's mouth to the other, turning into a rictus of intense happiness>

So are you guys pro-gun or are you a bunch of diaper wearing pansies?
Oh wait, are you guys even *allowed* to own guns?

Was doing some research into purchasing a 6.8 spc upper w/ 20" barrel for my AR15. The 16" .223 rig works nicely, but the rounds are just so small!

Eric Frei · 9th December 2007, 09:18 PM

Not many gun guys here, auto's are out.

I've been out of the gun scene too long to really know but the gun club at Capalaba is pretty busy.

You USA guys are gun nutters though, have wide range and autos etc.

Therrin · 9th December 2007, 09:35 PM

Eh, not an auto. Auto would be M16... I think my AR15 lower was machined in such a way that there's a shoulder in the way of where the auto parts would need to move.

Built mine from just a stripped lower reciever. Managed to get that through a loophole that opened up for a bit. Allowed me to register it as an assault weapon here in Cali.

Means I don't have to bother with the stupid Cali restrictions. They make it pointless to own one.

Eh, I grew up with in the mountains/woods, little town of less than 500 pop. Dad's been a cop for 24 years. Shooting is pretty normal here. The ranch I'm watching has a built in pistol range, and a 100yard target for short distance small arms. LOL

Nice call DBS

Eric Frei · 9th December 2007, 09:42 PM

DBS, I got that cs3 program and add ons, never use it, gotta get a degree of some sorts to use it. I tinkered, and tinkered and went back to writing code! LOL

It's very good, and powerful but jeez, to teach it to yourself even with online tutorials mate I got another job too!

I have been thinking about doing some courses but frankly they all seem a little entry level as a vocational subject and I aint doing no 3 year course on graphic arts and web design.

Can you use it well?

DBS · 10th December 2007, 08:42 AM

use it well i cannot.. :-(

its just that... it truely is learning another language.

for someone like yourself Eric, if you continue to use it for the simple tasks you will begin to WANT to expand you capabilities within that software. it is then you will realize how powerful it really is.

it would be so nice to be able to just "upload" a skillset to the brain... Matrix anyone???

you are familiar w/ writing code so perhaps start there. Utilize the software to write your code... that will force to you familiarize yourself with the software. build on that.

good luck with it!! you'll need it!!

sweet i got the top of page!!!!

-Daryl

7th December 2007, 03:56 AM	#1
mdvaden Former Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Oregon Posts: 397	An Old Christmas / Wintertime Poem Thanks for the holiday background Ekka.. Hey... I found a copy of a file from last winter - a page with an old wintertime poem that I liked a lot. Its a short one, but each winter, I find myself in the shoes of the person of the poem - just without the horse. Mainly because I grew up on a decent size property where the same view was available, and I'd stand under the trees when it snowed - usually at night in Oregon. And I go hiking quite a bit, even when it snows. Not alpine, but just high enough to reach the snow zone. The Oregon coast range is a classic for that - about 2000 foot elevation at summit. Winter Poem about stopping in the woods for snow Enjoy the holiday season, whether you celebrate one or not

7th December 2007, 07:06 AM	#2
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 4,977	Re: An Old Christmas / Wintertime Poem Thats a nice poem and think yourself lucky that your not around horses.My mom has 2 and I can say from experiance I hate horses.I'm also not big on holidays either I see them as another day to make a few bucks. __________________ Have your say join us today. old schooler

7th December 2007, 06:31 PM	#3
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,813	Re: An Old Christmas / Wintertime Poem Mario, that snow background idea is great, java driven, where can I perhaps make up some custom ones? __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

8th December 2007, 01:08 AM	#4
DBS Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: CT USA Posts: 182	Re: An Old Christmas / Wintertime Poem Ekka here is some Javascript for falling snowflakes you can adjust how many flakes as well as the decent rate. here is a for you you can make the image anything you want..ie leaves falling. -Daryl <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2 Final//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META NAME="Generator" CONTENT="TextPad 4.4"> <LINK href="general.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css"> </HEAD> <BODY Background=../graphics/grayback.jpg> <center><BR><BR><BR> <SCRIPT LANGUAGE="JavaScript1.2"> var no = 25; // snow number var speed = 10; // smaller number moves the snow faster var snowflake = "snow.gif"; var ns4up = (document.layers) ? 1 : 0; // browser sniffer var ie4up = (document.all) ? 1 : 0; var dx, xp, yp; // coordinate and position variables var am, stx, sty; // amplitude and step variables var i, doc_width = 800, doc_height = 600; if (ns4up) { doc_width = self.innerWidth; doc_height = self.innerHeight; } else if (ie4up) { doc_width = document.body.clientWidth; doc_height = document.body.clientHeight; } dx = new Array(); xp = new Array(); yp = new Array(); am = new Array(); stx = new Array(); sty = new Array(); for (i = 0; i < no; ++ i) { dx[i] = 0; // set coordinate variables xp[i] = Math.random()(doc_width-50); // set position variables yp[i] = Math.random()doc_height; am[i] = Math.random()20; // set amplitude variables stx[i] = 0.02 + Math.random()/10; // set step variables sty[i] = 0.7 + Math.random(); // set step variables if (ns4up) { // set layers if (i == 0) { document.write("<layer name=\"dot"+ i +"\" left=\"15\" "); document.write("top=\"15\" visibility=\"show\"><img src=\""); document.write(snowflake + "\" border=\"0\"></layer>"); } else { document.write("<layer name=\"dot"+ i +"\" left=\"15\" "); document.write("top=\"15\" visibility=\"show\"><img src=\""); document.write(snowflake + "\" border=\"0\"></layer>"); } } else if (ie4up) { if (i == 0) { document.write("<div id=\"dot"+ i +"\" style=\"POSITION: "); document.write("absolute; Z-INDEX: "+ i +"; VISIBILITY: "); document.write("visible; TOP: 15px; LEFT: 15px;\"><img src=\""); document.write(snowflake + "\" border=\"0\"></div>"); } else { document.write("<div id=\"dot"+ i +"\" style=\"POSITION: "); document.write("absolute; Z-INDEX: "+ i +"; VISIBILITY: "); document.write("visible; TOP: 15px; LEFT: 15px;\"><img src=\""); document.write(snowflake + "\" border=\"0\"></div>"); } } } function snowNS() { // Netscape main animation function for (i = 0; i < no; ++ i) { // iterate for every dot yp[i] += sty[i]; if (yp[i] > doc_height-50) { xp[i] = Math.random()(doc_width-am[i]-30); yp[i] = 0; stx[i] = 0.02 + Math.random()/10; sty[i] = 0.7 + Math.random(); doc_width = self.innerWidth; doc_height = self.innerHeight; } dx[i] += stx[i]; document.layers["dot"+i].top = yp[i]; document.layers["dot"+i].left = xp[i] + am[i]Math.sin(dx[i]); } setTimeout("snowNS()", speed); } function snowIE() { // IE main animation function for (i = 0; i < no; ++ i) { // iterate for every dot yp[i] += sty[i]; if (yp[i] > doc_height-50) { xp[i] = Math.random()(doc_width-am[i]-30); yp[i] = 0; stx[i] = 0.02 + Math.random()/10; sty[i] = 0.7 + Math.random(); doc_width = document.body.clientWidth; doc_height = document.body.clientHeight; } dx[i] += stx[i]; document.all["dot"+i].style.pixelTop = yp[i]; document.all["dot"+i].style.pixelLeft = xp[i] + am[i]*Math.sin(dx[i]); } setTimeout("snowIE()", speed); } if (ns4up) { snowNS(); } else if (ie4up) { snowIE(); } // End --> </script> </center> </BODY> </HTML> __________________ Stihl MS 200T Stihl MS 361

8th December 2007, 08:40 AM	#5
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,813	Re: An Old Christmas / Wintertime Poem Please, dont tell me you wrote that but copied it? What a language to learn that would be, far out! I'll see what I have time to conjure up over the weekend, there's a serious lack of outback christmas stuff, really peeves you here when buying cards to buy snow and deer and stuff coz we dont get any of that. We got roos, wombats, koalas, beach, beer, seafood etc ... and firebans! __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

8th December 2007, 09:30 AM	#6
Jeff Darby Moderator - Previously known as JayD Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: TreeWorld, Sydney Australia Posts: 2,030	Re: An Old Christmas / Wintertime Poem Hi All, Here's a Christmas tree for the drinkin man..LOL. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Member: Australian Tree Association Join the Australian Tree Association...Have your voice heard ! Arboriculture, A life long study for some, a passing phase for others © Jeffrey J Darby 2011

8th December 2007, 10:00 AM	#7
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 4,977	Re: An Old Christmas / Wintertime Poem Did you make that on your own? __________________ Have your say join us today. old schooler

8th December 2007, 10:27 AM	#8
Jeff Darby Moderator - Previously known as JayD Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: TreeWorld, Sydney Australia Posts: 2,030	Re: An Old Christmas / Wintertime Poem No, I don't drink, The wife brought it to my attention and I thought you's blokes might like a look at this blokes injunuity, From the States judgeing from the architecture, Here in Australia we used to make fly curtains out of old beer ring pulls. BOS, Nice poem Mario. __________________ Member: Australian Tree Association Join the Australian Tree Association...Have your voice heard ! Arboriculture, A life long study for some, a passing phase for others © Jeffrey J Darby 2011

9th December 2007, 09:08 AM	#10
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,813	Re: An Old Christmas / Wintertime Poem No dreamweaver, that's flash stuff right? I dont use flash much, dont like it but has it's place and yes it does like good. I have some basic flash software to make stuff to insert into videos etc. I have a program that can convert video's to flash but frankly, file size isn't much different so I dont bother. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

9th December 2007, 10:23 AM	#11
DBS Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: CT USA Posts: 182	Re: An Old Christmas / Wintertime Poem nah man not just Flash...the software allows to create pages and include many other feathures all in program/screen, also has a nice preview of the page simply by hitting F12 (preview in IE window) i think you run FFox so i am uncertain aboutits compatability w/ that. also everything is color coded makes editing index files a snap esp because you can preview page without uploading to server providing you build the page w/ "paths" to you hard drive for any graphics. -Daryl __________________ Stihl MS 200T Stihl MS 361

9th December 2007, 10:24 AM	#12
DBS Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: CT USA Posts: 182	Re: An Old Christmas / Wintertime Poem did you use the javascript?? -Daryl __________________ Stihl MS 200T Stihl MS 361

9th December 2007, 10:36 AM	#13
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,813	Re: An Old Christmas / Wintertime Poem Nope, haven't done it yet. I gotta stop arguing on AS about healthcare and guns. LOL It's like a sport for me. Hey, I dont use any software for page building, I just write the code on the server page and refresh the browser. I'm not sure if it could write a css page? __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

9th December 2007, 12:52 PM	#15
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 4,977	Re: An Old Christmas / Wintertime Poem Don't get him started after all its the christmas season peace on earth and goodwill towards men. __________________ Have your say join us today. old schooler

9th December 2007, 07:30 PM	#17
Therrin Former Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Bakersfield, Ca Posts: 2,512	Re: An Old Christmas / Wintertime Poem *checking PAGER* Guns? Did somebody say guns? <slowly, a smile starts to spread from one corner of Therrin's mouth to the other, turning into a rictus of intense happiness> So are you guys pro-gun or are you a bunch of diaper wearing pansies? Oh wait, are you guys even allowed to own guns? Was doing some research into purchasing a 6.8 spc upper w/ 20" barrel for my AR15. The 16" .223 rig works nicely, but the rounds are just so small!

9th December 2007, 09:18 PM	#18
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,813	Re: An Old Christmas / Wintertime Poem Not many gun guys here, auto's are out. I've been out of the gun scene too long to really know but the gun club at Capalaba is pretty busy. You USA guys are gun nutters though, have wide range and autos etc. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

9th December 2007, 09:35 PM	#19
Therrin Former Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Bakersfield, Ca Posts: 2,512	Re: An Old Christmas / Wintertime Poem Eh, not an auto. Auto would be M16... I think my AR15 lower was machined in such a way that there's a shoulder in the way of where the auto parts would need to move. Built mine from just a stripped lower reciever. Managed to get that through a loophole that opened up for a bit. Allowed me to register it as an assault weapon here in Cali. Means I don't have to bother with the stupid Cali restrictions. They make it pointless to own one. Eh, I grew up with in the mountains/woods, little town of less than 500 pop. Dad's been a cop for 24 years. Shooting is pretty normal here. The ranch I'm watching has a built in pistol range, and a 100yard target for short distance small arms. LOL Nice call DBS

9th December 2007, 09:42 PM	#20
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,813	Re: An Old Christmas / Wintertime Poem DBS, I got that cs3 program and add ons, never use it, gotta get a degree of some sorts to use it. I tinkered, and tinkered and went back to writing code! LOL It's very good, and powerful but jeez, to teach it to yourself even with online tutorials mate I got another job too! I have been thinking about doing some courses but frankly they all seem a little entry level as a vocational subject and I aint doing no 3 year course on graphic arts and web design. Can you use it well? __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

10th December 2007, 08:42 AM	#21
DBS Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: CT USA Posts: 182	Re: An Old Christmas / Wintertime Poem use it well i cannot.. :-( its just that... it truely is learning another language. for someone like yourself Eric, if you continue to use it for the simple tasks you will begin to WANT to expand you capabilities within that software. it is then you will realize how powerful it really is. it would be so nice to be able to just "upload" a skillset to the brain... Matrix anyone??? you are familiar w/ writing code so perhaps start there. Utilize the software to write your code... that will force to you familiarize yourself with the software. build on that. good luck with it!! you'll need it!! sweet i got the top of page!!!! -Daryl __________________ Stihl MS 200T Stihl MS 361

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